The Chosen Season 4: still watching? What about the LDS? And more!

[00:00:02] Welcome to the STOKE IT UP podcast everybody. A podcast encouraging you and your journey with God I'm Alan Stoddard and I am your host and I'm here with the illustrious team chosen

[00:00:14] a lease El Simbaas Renee Cran and Tam Ebert who is a loser. He did not watch these all. Look out, I'm taking up for the sheme. No, he didn't get to see season 4 of the chosen

[00:00:29] So we're glad you're checking in with us. We want to have a discussion. I've been wanting to have a discussion. I think everyone's not everyone but a lot of Christians are dialogueing one

[00:00:40] where another about the chosen. We all have been huge fans of the chosen and then I had a period where I kind of was like, I don't know what to do with these guys now and so I want to talk about that.

[00:00:53] But season 4 has come out and we all three have seen it into theater. I'm glad I went into see it. So let me say that I loved going a little money at these guys because I thought

[00:01:04] I've done money at way lesser movies for sure. So amen, amen. So Elise, Renee, welcome back to the podcast. It's been a while since we're done this. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. So let's be kind of did this like right after it. Right, right? Well, and kind of is

[00:01:29] because they're still trying to figure out how we were just talking about that off screen that they're trying to figure out how to get it out. Here, and they've got some complicated things going.

[00:01:40] So yeah, so okay first question right out of the box. What were your favorite two or three scenes? Anyone of you guys want to go first or you want me to go first? Ladies first. Unless you're a little bit.

[00:01:56] I'll go first. Okay, favorite scenes and season 4. Okay, favorite scene for me in episode one through three. I hope I'm not mistaken but it would be where heater has to or Simon think is Simon at the time but doesn't matter. Simon Peter.

[00:02:23] Anyway, he struggles with forgiveness and having to forgive Matthew right? Matthew. You're right. And oh my gosh, that I laughed. I had tears. I loved it. I loved it when Peter sat with Jesus and Jesus just kind of talked with him.

[00:02:45] You know, there's going to be things in life that are going to happen. I just loved it. That was probably out of season episodes one and three. That was my favorite out of episodes four through five was

[00:03:05] it was my favorite. It was my shocker and that was the death of a character. You can say the character we're going to do spoiler. I'll let people look into this. If you haven't seen it by the time you listen to this, you better turn this off.

[00:03:23] So you're talking about Raymond. I could never leave Raymond died off. That was nuts. I couldn't either but I understood, yes it's not in the Bible. That part's not even in the Bible but I can understand seeing Thomas even doubt more. Why couldn't? He was like, why?

[00:03:52] Couldn't Jesus bring her back to life. Why couldn't he? And that to me was another one of those we want in our way sometimes, but it's not the will of God for it to happen. Does that make sense?

[00:04:10] Yeah. Do you have a third? I do. Well, I really liked, I thought it was funny. I liked the when the two guys went and got the donkey. I thought that part was funny. I thought it was actually good. I like the way they put

[00:04:38] flesh on that. Yeah, I did too. So those are mine. What's your release? Well, you kind of stole two of mine. But I'll say it with Simon Peter and Matthew. I also love how they portrayed Matthew through that situation as well. Not just the side of Simon

[00:04:59] Peter struggle but Matthew struggle with like, I don't get why he was mad. I mean like why why should I have to apologize? You know kind of thing in that struggle as well that he had with it.

[00:05:10] And it was very, very good because it's so relatable and you could see that. You could even see that being an issue because of Matthew and him being in the tax factor and all that.

[00:05:26] I'll say the same thing with Rame of that one. Oh my gosh tears tears. But when when guy is in that situation, I think like he that was like his big, I think pivotal turning

[00:05:41] during that whole scenario because he's like, no, I'm not going to go arrest him now and he refused. And that's where you really saw it. Okay, yeah, he's he's going to follow. He's going to follow.

[00:05:54] Like this is going to be so amazing because they've been building up to that like the little inklings here and there. And then for how he came to came to Jesus and just like,

[00:06:05] it was just a it was beautiful. I would say my favorite in the one Lazarus was resurrected. That was beautifully done. But my favorite part was really the portrayal of how Mary was wiping his feet

[00:06:23] with the way of the whole process of through like, yeah, I love how they did that. That was beautiful. They did a group of that. Yeah, I had tears during that part too.

[00:06:38] My three are the same. Peter for giving Matthew was that blew me away. I probably just got really emotional on that. I was like, because forgiveness always wells up in us when we

[00:06:53] see stuff like that. And then Ramah's death was the second one I wrote down. That was that I didn't see that coming. And that's probably when I realized, oh, wow, this season's

[00:07:05] this thing's taken a turn. And I want to ask you guys about that. And then Gius conversion, basically, when he comes in and says he believes, you don't even have to come to my house.

[00:07:19] That was a curveball. I just didn't see that coming like that. So those are my three. What do you guys think about the way the tone of the season changed? What's your feel on that when you first

[00:07:36] you were like, oh, it's more serious. Yeah. It's heavier. I think it's you think that's a good thing. Yeah, I think it is because it's building up to eventually what

[00:07:55] Christ did for us. So it's not going to be about a roses. I mean, it's not going to be, I mean, this is getting serious. It's getting to the point where he's going to be

[00:08:15] he's going to be arrested. He's going to be beaten. He's going to be all those things. And he's going to start with that him coming in on the donkey. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think by getting serious, it turned from what they've done in the first three seasons,

[00:08:37] which was they were they were in danger of making Jesus cool because Jonathan Rumi's, you know, he's a unique actor and he's made Jesus relatable in personality, which in scripture when you're

[00:08:54] reading the scriptures, you don't, you have to really be a reader and be perceptive to pick out Jesus personality. And I think they were in danger of making it a little more humor to humorous.

[00:09:09] I don't know if two humorists is the right words but it was humor. And the the scriptures do not put that much humor and the gospels. There's been PhDs written on that. I've read one.

[00:09:24] You know, why didn't where is humor in the scripture and the new testament? And why wasn't it more prominent? That is to me a great theological question. So they've really been playing with fire.

[00:09:36] And I think I'm fine with that. I think it helps us think. I think it helps an audience go, okay, where am I with scripture? But the seriousness I think is it's an obvious change.

[00:09:54] And I'm glad because I think it's turned more gospel in season four than it was the first three year seasons. What do you think guys? What do you send everything in? Oh yeah, go every day.

[00:10:07] Well, I was going to say you know the first three seasons. We really don't know like you said about the humor and stuff but it's them getting to know him. The it's the character or not the

[00:10:21] characters but the disciples and all of the followers getting to know Jesus. So I could see the humor you could also see where they disagreed. You can see where they fought. They may not have

[00:10:37] said that well there was that one time was it Paul who called out Luke? No. Paul who called out Peter, right? Was it Paul who called out Peter? Yeah I mean that right there was is pretty serious so

[00:10:56] you know I know what they didn't show it. It's not been shown in this because Paul's not in this. However, the point that I'm trying to make is that they still disagreed. You know there were

[00:11:12] things that they disagreed about. There's going to be things that they do you guys think that the personality part? Do you think that's more we're trying to make them relatable or do you think that is more to make the audience who's watching this thing? Think of themselves.

[00:11:35] See what I'm saying? Yeah, I like to put themselves in the shoes of a person. Yeah I'm sure in parts or in things that they've done have been specifically like little John and

[00:11:52] his handicap there's nothing and you know about that or even met you with you know how he is on the spectrum or the virus character. Exactly and so you've got you've got those characters that

[00:12:06] people might not always see themselves in the Bible and from you know if they if their history buffs are not Bible buffs and wanting to you know how they have the inkling of wanting

[00:12:18] to learn about the Bible. They might just be like well in those times if you were different you were outcasts you were just horrible so why would I want anything to do with this because

[00:12:30] if they don't know if they're not Christian and they don't have any exposure. This might give that exposure and I'm be like okay well I can kind of see myself in that character let me find out

[00:12:39] more about this person who they really are and what's accurate and not accurate you know like I just think that yes it's kind of course be a type rope you're walking on what you're doing because

[00:12:55] you don't want to be changing the characters and anything like that because then you're going to get further and further away from Bible truths and you don't want that to happen

[00:13:08] even if you have been here. Have you ever seen any bad theology that you would pick out? Not bad history. Right bad theology. Not bad context maybe bad context but I'm really asking about bad doctrine.

[00:13:26] I'll tell you I can't think of anything that I've seen. Not everything that's doctrinal. Not dr. Yeah now context and history sometimes I scratch my head like

[00:13:42] but I don't know what to do with that and so I think all three of us I'll speak for us but you guys jump in but I think all three of us we've made a decision that we're not worrying until we see bad

[00:13:52] doctrine we're fine. We're just not worrying about liberties they take and use the paint pictures and present characters you know the whole plausible is it plausible Dallas Jenkins will say I understand that I'm not necessarily hating on that but that's where I've told people when you

[00:14:14] watch to chosen watch it with an open Bible and what I really mean by that is you ought to really know your Bible well enough to go is this in the New Testament and if you don't know it no one's in

[00:14:26] trouble and then when I stay after class we may want to read our Bible's a little more which is good. Yeah even if you're like scratch your head like I really don't think that's how that happened like

[00:14:38] you're not going to just take it for it's word you're going to then look in the word and be like oh yeah okay yeah I was on to something or oh I must have missed that you know like so I do like that too because

[00:14:51] I mean I'll speak for us again like we love the Bible and we know the stories you know you're never going to know every in and out forever because it's always revealing it's it's a living word so

[00:15:05] that being said though you're going to want to go and make sure that oh this is true or oh when I'm when I'm watching with someone that's maybe not knowledgeable of the Bible and

[00:15:17] of the truth then I can be point out so this part didn't happen exactly like this we'll talk about it later you know like something even like that. Well one of the one of the ladies

[00:15:30] one of my friends that went with us she said she goes you know I look at this as a novel and because I told her I said well get ready to cry and she goes oh it's a novel I'm looking at it

[00:15:42] as a novel well then there was one of the scenes that they showed at the if they're in the if conference at least what I was seeing that was before we saw it and she got a little terriide

[00:15:58] yeah you know I was like no remember you said you're going to watch it says a novel but it was good I left it and you know one of the other parts that I really liked and if I'm not mistaken Alan

[00:16:14] Alan. Alan par. Yeah when Alan par had him on and if I'm not mistaken that's where he talked about you know they had the ministers they have the the people that they need there.

[00:16:33] Well they told at the panel I think it's a panel yeah and you remember when the guys the Roman soldiers stopped and had the disciples here you you carry this now and he said you know that was

[00:16:50] that must have been history right there something in history because they were known to do that. Did he say that? I don't remember. I don't remember but I will say I don't doubt that to be true

[00:17:07] yeah yeah and what they did say during that Alan par is like he said that you know the people they don't run the script they don't write the script but they're looking for the integrity of it

[00:17:19] and they're looking for inaccuracies or something that they might be doing that to them they don't think anything of but it would be offensive in Jewish culture because they don't they're not you know

[00:17:30] bus done Jewish culture either so yeah totally agreed with that but one thing you pointed out Renee there is like if conference used a couple of clips from from it and there were two different

[00:17:43] clips of them not mistaken that they used at different points yes yeah and I think that just shows what a tool this is because you can drive home that emotion that people are going to connect with

[00:17:59] those characters or whatever but then tell the truth and you can use it in Bible study you can use it in I mean they used it in that conference you can use it yeah deciding someone as well and not that

[00:18:12] you're going to use it as what you're deciding to min but something to spend time with that person and you know something that then hey let's look this up now let's read into this more

[00:18:25] yeah yeah yeah yeah so let me shift gears with us are you guys is excited about the chosen as you were in the first couple of years so I'm just really excited I'm sorry Elise

[00:18:46] no go ahead no head please I'm just gonna say I am the old that it's that it is actually come out but I was just like come on I'm I almost said I'm done with this but why why why

[00:19:05] because it took so long okay I you know you see I guess they kind of spoiled this with with season was it two or three where they came right out maybe it was two because even in

[00:19:24] season three they went to the theater right yeah and then right and and what's it the opening and the first I think they went the opening the opening and closing yeah that's right

[00:19:39] see it so I am simply not though that they're going to theater but I think like you said it's taking a lot longer because they're having to do these other things and I agree with you and then

[00:19:51] you know I'm kind of torn like don't get me wrong I'm excited about it I was excited to go watch them I did go watch them but at the same time then there's certain things that you know

[00:20:00] I feel like they're utilizing it that time of course they need to fund it because it is crowdfunded but then they had like that chosen convention that would like you had to pay to be part of those like yeah as kind of like that's just so

[00:20:19] and I'm really they come out with every single week they come out with content with different interviews clips talking about those clips and things like that I kind of lose interest

[00:20:30] in some of that like I'll watch it here or there but I'm not like a die hard because it just seems like so much of this extra stuff versus what you're actually about you know so so one of

[00:20:42] one of the challenges um I don't think I'm as excited about it although I'm going to watch it all the way I don't mind to go pay money to see it I want to support them because as I said earlier I've

[00:20:57] supported way less I mean no problem a couple things one they are trying to make money that's what we're and it becomes a production and it comes with the program I'm sure it's way above my head for

[00:21:10] sure and I'm sure the delay in season four has to do with money and power and some kind of something like that I know they got to make money I want them to make money um I'm sure the first

[00:21:23] two seasons they didn't make much money at all it was crowd-funded and it worked but their production and quality has grown in the last four seasons and they're learning and I know it's commercializing they've commercialized it there's a danger in that now let me say this out

[00:21:44] out for our podcast listeners all three of us are Calvary Chapel type people and we're very word-based and we're very Bible and we are wordy we we we we look for doctrinal things and we're we're not

[00:22:01] going to compromise on those things so we do look at it um when we look for it so having said that because when you start marketing it becomes like this trendy Christianity I'm nervous about that now

[00:22:16] I'm watching what's happened in many local churches in the last five to seven to 10 years and I'm like oh man this is gonna get messy so let's deal with some of the mess all right so let's

[00:22:28] okay so part of the messy is we live in a culture where if you watch it go do it even our own churches you know um we better buckle in because something could go arrive very fast so here they are on this

[00:22:46] set and someone has a gay pride flag it's that what we would call it a pride flag and you know we don't know what to up with that and you know I didn't care as much about the flag which I do

[00:23:03] care about I don't think it ought to be there but I understand the context of how that could happen they employ people that are not Christians and I get it what I what I didn't think was good was the

[00:23:16] way they handled it I think I think I think I think Dallas Jenkins and I think the chosen team they don't handle certain things well what do you guys think of that I don't think they I think they

[00:23:28] brought on criticism that it was not needed by the way they handled things yeah I mean they because that was in what it was in and behind the scenes right yeah and they could have they kind of

[00:23:44] screened it and and seen that in their car if they were looking at what the content that they're putting out there through a stir of a lens they could have had that taken out um I agree they're

[00:24:01] the way they handled it wasn't wasn't great but at the same time I think the way a lot of Christians handled it wasn't great either I think I think that it caused a lot more hatred being thrown

[00:24:18] then I'm not saying embrace it at all that is not what I'm saying but I'm saying the way they attacked when I'm attacking about it versus like hmm I shouldn't ask in the question not being as

[00:24:33] hateful and because it's like are you really a Christian even like how to be happy for about this yes you can and yes they they made a mistake they did something that you know probably shouldn't

[00:24:45] bend on there yes they're gonna have it possibly on set because like you said they hire non-Christians which I'm all for them hiring non-Christians because you have you of the people that are on their

[00:24:57] cast and crew that were not Christians season one and now are so I think it's important that they handle things publicly certain ways however also look at that that person that just received

[00:25:14] all this hate from all these Christians and they're like I'm making a show on that I'm part of the show I'm because it was a camera man I believe I'm filming the show for you guys and you guys are

[00:25:24] gonna treat me with all this hatred I don't know why I'm not sure what I'm supposed to know it would be like why reaction why was in that person choose I'd be like well why am I putting in all this

[00:25:33] hard effort for this show this is how Christians are you know which again some of its people calling themselves Christian and just doing you know that the talk but not the walk yes from some people

[00:25:49] that just their hearts aren't there so I'm not gonna condemn them either but I think it was handled on all areas not the best way I agree that was a great way to be in that at least

[00:26:04] yeah I think I think these are discussions that we're all having I think in church life whether it's the chosen as the topic is that's not that's irrelevant it could be five other things

[00:26:14] I think these are the kind of conversations that people are having and we have to start having them out for example we all know people that they hate the chosen they they think it's like okay I get it

[00:26:28] I'm learned like I'm not I'm not gonna get defensive I'm not I totally respect my friends I say it's evil or I'm not watching it or whatever they're I don't I'm not arguing with it because

[00:26:44] and partly I get what you're saying I don't know I agree with all that they're saying but I get a couple of re I get why it you know the the whole context of making up a character like ramah I get that

[00:26:57] it's not in the Bible I get it I'm not arguing with that I'm just going that's a thing it's not it's not where you're supposed to get your scripture from and exactly though those people that are disliking it and and hate on and the chosen which again

[00:27:18] like it's their opinion they're entitled to that but also I can guarantee that they might be enjoying some other content that is now coming out to the movie theaters that never had a platform

[00:27:31] before and I think the chosen that's a good answer yeah it's interesting this christian's we now have to well we'll have to but we're now in the public arena yeah and the the stuff they're coming out with is good

[00:27:50] what was the movie they just did the cost of freedom is that what was called no sound of freedom yeah things like that it's interesting the movies christian movies have progressed they went from the Erwin brothers with courageous and things like that now it's the chosen

[00:28:12] you don't hear anything about the other kind of inspiring those movies it's all changed over to the chosen style movement how about this let me press it even harder and this one's the harder one

[00:28:27] and and I I'm glad you guys watched Alan Pars interview with Dallas Jenkins I really appreciated Dallas Jenkins in that I'm very frustrated with his responses to the latter day Saints I think he's

[00:28:42] done a terrible job on that let me just press this and see what you guys think he goes out of his way to make allowance for a cult that's the that's the most extreme line way I can say it after all

[00:29:02] the time I'm going Dallas please stop you know can't is it possible that a latter day saint could be born again and go to a Mormon church will sure that's possible I mean that is the wrong way

[00:29:17] to approach that it bugs me because I'm going I want to just I actually put an analog Pars comment thread on his podcast I said you should have asked him straight up do you believe

[00:29:31] the LDS is a cult they are a cult they're not a brand of Christianity they're a cult they believe Jesus they said our brothers yeah yeah he's a real a few friends who I know are born again and they love the same Jesus okay I'm not saying that's

[00:29:58] not impossible that's okay that's possible it's possible but that's when you leave the church then or that why wouldn't you leave if you knew that Jesus is not the same Jesus wouldn't and you come to know him as your Lord and say

[00:30:25] you're wouldn't you leave the church that particular I don't want to call it a church yes but we got sick and go where there is the church a Bible church yeah I'm glad you said that

[00:30:43] we're a brand new believer then I could see them not because I know people that it was a struggle in the beginning leaving whatever ritualistic religions they were part of or and it was a

[00:31:01] struggle just because that's what they grew up that's what all their family is that's everyone that they know is no they felt this tear eventually it has to happen though or you're not walking with God your your just needs you're like yeah sounds good but I'm

[00:31:15] gonna stay in this kiddie pool yeah that which okay so I have a family member who went from Catholicism to Mormonism and we've had conversations and they they will talk about Jesus but they don't celebrate the crucifixion or the

[00:31:47] the three days later the resurrection yeah they don't wow they're not allowed to wear a cross they are not allowed his voice one of the boys was called Ben by one of the elders and

[00:32:06] recommended recommended for wearing a cross no I don't understand I do not think it's the same Jesus no it's not and that that's troublesome that's where I'm not as enthusiastic now I'm glad he

[00:32:27] came on there he really he very matter of factly said he disagrees with some of their belief somebody file at least that was clearer but it's not as clear and here's the problem is all of us

[00:32:42] who are wanting this to succeed what happens is they they go there and do that and the answer is kind of weak and so now you're stuck and you're really circumventing what you're trying to do in

[00:32:56] the first place which I get I mean I would love to interview the Dallas and they're gonna be very tied on this but I'd like to know like okay are you not answering just because you had the

[00:33:08] rent the place in Utah I mean why are you buddy ain't out with these guys I have no doubt about that I don't believe he's biblically weak I just think on this topic I think he's he's just put into

[00:33:27] Senate bad spot I'm glad he said something that clarified it pretty well yeah and for the listeners I'll put the link to the Alan par podcast in the show notes so you can connect on it's really

[00:33:43] worth your listen but I'm still a little just like man I wish you guys and okay now I think about us as the church because at least you both are in here like kicking back on it in a way that I didn't

[00:33:56] anticipate you know we face the same thing in the church you guys you know when I was in Rui Dozo we used to have a gay folks coming to the church we had a transgender person coming to the church

[00:34:12] I never said hey sorry you gotta get out of here right right I didn't necessarily attack them on those days either I didn't want to go targeting them and beat them up

[00:34:23] if it you know we're not gonna compromise the word it becomes that while you're there you know welcome to the welcome to what we all go through every Sunday but you know we face the same thing in the church who I'm trying to say

[00:34:40] we don't always communicate it well either so I want to remember that we as a pastor I'm not always gotten it right where I've communicated perfectly that hasn't happened so part of me wants to leave

[00:34:54] some margin and grace for these guys you know he absolutely he said on the podcast I hadn't heard this maybe I just missed it but he said yes some of the actors are not even believers

[00:35:10] yeah that's what Elise said too yeah did you just say that no one listening okay no I was not here present yeah the actors and the cast I mean the cast in the

[00:35:23] production crew they're not all say some of them have been since being part of that part of the production now so and that's where you have to give that grace and I completely defend any

[00:35:40] Christian works whether it's the chosen or some other movie or something else that do have people that are not Christians there and I think that's so important they're not going to be

[00:35:52] running it they're not going to be doing it but that might be right where they need to be look at Kelsey Graham and how vocal he is now since being on Jesus' room and he wasn't he was right

[00:36:06] you're right so you look at something like that and you want like if we throw a fit because I've seen people throw a fit about non-Christians playing a part or being part of something and it's like

[00:36:19] why maybe that's their plan maybe that's how they're going to be introduced to God you know like we just would everyone and only be in our little private club and then open up just a little bit

[00:36:34] to be like come to church but you know nothing else so some of this can be good Christian movies used to be goofy they were not good yeah they were terrible because we got the Christian actors everything was Christian and it was like insulated it was

[00:36:57] terrible now and I'm not saying you have to go to the world you know but sometimes you got to go outside the Christian realm to get the right actors because the the real deal will be the final product

[00:37:11] again all three of us and Tim we buy all fun the fact that we're about off on the show we we understand the nuance we understand why some people don't go with it nobody's mad I fully understand and I don't

[00:37:24] even I'm not mad but we've gone with it but it's the final product it doesn't matter if Jonathan roomies you know you know some people say he was grave soaking and he you know he went and talked

[00:37:40] to Lonnie Frisbee at his grave before he did some stuff with Jesus Revolution and you know it's weird sounding but hey am I gonna do I really care about that or do I care whether that makes it into

[00:37:54] the final cut of a show or movie yeah of course but none of us are perfect a lot of you know none of us can say we've done everything right or exactly it's happened in our own lives so to hold

[00:38:10] you know these people up as well and expect them to you know be bigger than life you know because just because they're playing this part I mean I don't know if either of you saw the I think it was a Netflix or

[00:38:23] Amazon Prime special with Jonathan Rumi and it was Jonathan as Jesus or something like that it's called it was I thought it was good I didn't see it I think it's on prime yeah it's really good called

[00:38:38] Jonathan in Jesus yeah and I think I do believe Jonathan saved I think some of the things he does I don't necessarily agree with hey but but hey without us and now as he can said to the

[00:38:52] Pope like I don't I don't believe in any of these rituals like hey I'm sitting here thinking Christianity has some crazy uncles now there's some crazy folk up in Christianity man there's some

[00:39:06] wild people I mean if you look at Christian history it's weird yeah so yeah we're not compromise in scripture I like which is an alleys that's really good I appreciate that are you guys

[00:39:25] still committed to the show? Absolutely yeah I'm still committed to the show for any of my friends that are listening they don't hate me I believe it's a viable but I do know to the show

[00:39:40] I'm not going to go ahead Renee okay I was gonna say I am I'm not a big fan of Hollywood period so I don't like to go to the movies because I don't want to support them however this show

[00:40:01] I want to support because it means a lot to me about what they're talking about I know that it's the dialogue with the characters is not biblical but that's just a part of telling a story

[00:40:20] I'm not seeing sex I'm not seeing drugs I'm not I'm not hearing curse words it doesn't have the F word every other word or the you know the S H word I those are just where I don't speak

[00:40:35] those words I don't and I don't enjoy paying to see a movie with all those words in it so yes I am still on this on the chosen I'm still behind it I like it

[00:40:52] it's more it's more me it's what I want to see I agree I agree I've been silent done and I had a period of time where I was silent on everything and I was silent on the chosen

[00:41:08] because of some of the drama and I was frustrated but the way they were handling a few things I was very I wasn't going to work against them per se but I was like I'm just not as excited about

[00:41:21] you guys but I am excited about the Lord I'm excited about the good that's coming out of the chosen this can happen in any church where you get a little bit of drama somebody this somebody's

[00:41:33] connected to that it happens you guys have seen it we've all three seen it at the church and it Calbie Rudy does so back in the day when I was there it's surely not by drag y'all through

[00:41:43] some drama it happens everywhere you go every season's got drama I think we do well and even in my frustrations I'm still with Dallas Jenkins I think he I think in that Allen par interview

[00:41:57] he was trying to get out in a way that didn't alienate people and you know some of us will go well you should alienate them but he did come out and finally say okay at least I was like okay now

[00:42:11] now we're feeling like we're back in and hey as you know as we wind down here I'm not against a make a money no when that video came out they're saying they need to make money things cost money

[00:42:26] and I I yes I went back and saw episodes three and four five whatever they were the middle episode is four five and six I went back to the theater and saw those again

[00:42:39] Gina was gone and I just went back and and I thought wow I'm I'm on the put money there I mean if if going to the theater I think everybody should go to the everyone it's the

[00:42:54] it's the cost of a cheap lunch yeah it's not expensive don't get the power and it's showing just like Renee said like it's showing the Hollywood and all of them we don't

[00:43:08] want that this is what we want right and so it's just by us supporting I think it also just shows like hey there is a want and I need four Christian content and we're going to just keep seeing

[00:43:22] more and more Christian content in theaters and the more we support those things the more that we'll see and maybe expose other people they won't even know they're going into a Christian film

[00:43:34] and then they'll be coming out who knows right yeah I agree yeah a lot of people have been touched by it it's amazing I know it's a hard thing for them to manage with all the things that come

[00:43:51] come attached it's it is difficult to run a big organization like that and so we're not trying to beat them up too bad let me say that out loud but we are trying to be honest

[00:44:03] about it too and dialogue with the hard part yeah I appreciate you guys talking up a little bit on the LDS part I know that's difficult because we all love to show don't necessarily want

[00:44:14] to work against it but when it comes to doctrine we can't on hard doctrine we can't compromise and so it's just an odd position but I love what you're saying at least I'm sitting there listening

[00:44:25] to you thinking about how much you've grown in the Lord since I first met you here really because we want to show grace that's really what it comes out to is we want to show some grace

[00:44:35] where we can't and even in disagreement show grace we don't have to be hard core about it and alienate people and so let's leave it there ladies thank you for coming out of the podcast

[00:44:48] we're trying to stoke people up still and this has been a conversation that I think a lot of people are having among themselves and churches one way or another and so I hope we've gone

[00:44:59] right down the middle on the good the bad and the ugly and thank you for coming on thank you for having me hey man guys we will see you next week on the Stoken Up podcast

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