198. What is Salvation?

[00:00:08] Hi, welcome to Making Disciples. My name is Chris. I am your host, so good to have you with me today.

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[00:00:46] What Jesus says in the scriptures to us about how we live our lives

[00:00:49] You know, that's what this is all about

[00:00:51] But you're exploring some big topics over the last few weeks and then just the last couple of weeks

[00:00:55] We've been looking at some big questions that you guys have been sending in

[00:00:59] So we've been looking at some questions around salvation

[00:01:02] So in the last few weeks, I'm just looking at the episodes, you know

[00:01:07] Number 196 can we lose our salvation?

[00:01:10] 97 how can I know that I am saved and as I've been preparing for kind of future weeks

[00:01:17] I've noticed that

[00:01:18] Heck there was another

[00:01:20] question that we got from one of our listeners

[00:01:23] I'd say his first name is Mark and Mark has to question on

[00:01:27] Direct message to me

[00:01:30] That really should have been answered weeks ago, but I didn't notice it until we'd recorded the last couple of episodes

[00:01:37] And the question is what is salvation and that we've been looking at can we lose our salvation and

[00:01:43] That kind of stuff

[00:01:44] I should have really covered the question of what is salvation and it's a really good question because we use this phrase

[00:01:51] Salvation and it's it's jargony isn't it?

[00:01:53] You know, what does it mean to be saved

[00:01:56] Why do we need to be saved?

[00:01:58] So I thought, do you know what?

[00:01:59] I'm going to back up

[00:02:01] We're going to cover that topic this week

[00:02:03] What I made is we'll put this out as the next episode

[00:02:07] Give it a month but then what we might do is reorder them

[00:02:10] So anybody that listens in in future weeks will maybe hear them in the order

[00:02:16] So if you're hearing this and you think in I've not listened to those other episodes

[00:02:19] Maybe because you're listening in the right order because we really need them

[00:02:22] So don't worry just just keep going

[00:02:24] So we can look at that today, you know what is salvation and see if there's a way of us being able to kind of understand that a little bit

[00:02:30] What I want to cover in this episode isn't just kind of what is salvation

[00:02:34] But I wanted to discuss some of the different historical perspectives on what is salvation because at different seasons and times

[00:02:42] Different things have been emphasized

[00:02:44] You know we sort of as are in churches that are very dogmatic and this is what this is

[00:02:49] Answer when you back up maybe a generation or two you find out that why is it what the previous generation said?

[00:02:55] Or you know hundred years ago that isn't what was said?

[00:02:58] Sometimes that's because they were just wrong at some times there's a bias

[00:03:03] Sometimes it's a different perspective

[00:03:05] It's not wrong it's just a different perspective on what something is

[00:03:09] So we're going to look at

[00:03:11] Some of the dimensions of salvation. We're going to look at me historical perspectives on what it means to be saved

[00:03:17] We're going to look at some of the key components of

[00:03:20] Salvation we're going to look at what are the fruits of salvation

[00:03:24] Then I might just drift into maybe a few of the critiques

[00:03:27] Of our objections and that kind of stuff now. I really hope

[00:03:33] That this episode brings comfort to you and

[00:03:38] invite you closer to Jesus

[00:03:40] I I don't want this episode to cause anyone more confusion or

[00:03:46] Leave anybody more burdened. Okay. I want to bring freedom. I want to bring a lightness. I want to bring a

[00:03:56] Lightness and a joy into quite a

[00:03:59] Appetitly heavy little topic so hopefully

[00:04:03] I'll share this in a bouncy

[00:04:05] Friendly

[00:04:06] Encouraging way and you'll leave filling upbeat and that you've learned something else there. That's the hope and prayer

[00:04:13] Now

[00:04:14] When I'm recording this is it's approaching lent

[00:04:18] So if you're listening to this after length, this may not make any sense but if you are listening to this it's not quite length yet

[00:04:25] Then I would say look why did you jump online or do yourself a copy of a apprentice to Jesus

[00:04:30] 40 days of walking in the way of Jesus and use that as your length devotional this year

[00:04:35] We produced it a couple of years ago and I'm using it again this year for my own personal devotions

[00:04:41] I'd love to encourage you why don't you grab all of the copy and use that this length to draw yourself closer to Jesus

[00:04:50] So we're gonna jump in and we're gonna talk together on this topic of what is salvation

[00:05:05] So here we go

[00:05:07] Thanks Mark by the way for this question and if you're a listener and you have questions about your faith at what things mean

[00:05:12] So you didn't it could be material for a future episode. Do we love to hear any ideas?

[00:05:18] Really couple of scriptures to years we start John 3 16 from God so love the world

[00:05:24] It gave is one and only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish

[00:05:28] have eternal life one Corinthians two two

[00:05:34] Explanation is that the cross lies at the hearts of the Christian faith this idea of the cross and salvation is a centerpiece

[00:05:41] Of what we believe and the cross is the centerpiece because of this Roman 3 20 23

[00:05:48] All have sinned of fallen short of the glory of God there is nobody that is perfect

[00:05:55] So because of our sin because of our sinfulness

[00:06:00] We have damaged this relationship with God we have distance ourselves from God

[00:06:06] And the response that God has towards the distance that a sinner's created is what we call

[00:06:15] Salvation so what we call salvation and just as an introduction friends there are different views on salvation and different Christian

[00:06:24] Creditions

[00:06:26] Emphasize different things around salvation and believe that God salvation may

[00:06:32] Act differently and so we're gonna look at some of those different Susan and standings on salvation and it

[00:06:39] You know it's worthwhile thinking you know why do you believe what we believe?

[00:06:43] So I'm going to explain some of those two words today and yes, I am gonna make character chores

[00:06:48] I'm gonna try and really simplify things down for folk

[00:06:52] That does mean that if you are really passionate about one of these particular models you might think that well

[00:06:58] You just characterize that in in a really poor way

[00:07:02] I'm just trying to simplify things so we all can get our head around these different models

[00:07:08] So just kind of work with me and if you want to know more on any of these models

[00:07:13] You certainly can go and explore those further and actually see

[00:07:18] What others have to say about them?

[00:07:20] So there are different views of salvation different models different traditions

[00:07:25] And the in his podcast we're gonna explore some of these common elements there'll be other elements that I'm not gonna explore today

[00:07:30] You might go, oh gosh, but you've not mentioned this bit of salvation. This is really important to me. Well

[00:07:36] I may have missed some things out in trying to streamline and cover quite a big area in a short space of time

[00:07:43] I may and may miss a few things

[00:07:46] So here we go so I want to give you an overview

[00:07:50] of what I would describe as the major dimensions of salvation

[00:07:56] The major dimensions of salvation in other words, what are we talking about when we talk about

[00:08:03] salvation and I'm gonna name five five elements. I think I'll really important to me

[00:08:08] Element number one would be that we have all sinned and we have all four for a short and we need

[00:08:16] I'm gonna use a word hit deliverance. We need to be delivered from us sin

[00:08:20] at sin is something that is causing us problems

[00:08:25] With our relationship with God it is

[00:08:28] Physically and spiritually affecting us and we need deliverance from that sin

[00:08:34] You know Romans 3 23 for all

[00:08:38] sin

[00:08:39] What do you believe about sin will believe that sin pollutes us?

[00:08:42] We believe that sin is powerful and we believe that it's a penalty for sin so

[00:08:47] Romans 6 23 for all for the wages of sin is death

[00:08:51] But they give to God as it turn on life in Jesus Christ our Lord as a penalty there's a cost

[00:08:56] That cost is we are dying because of us sin

[00:09:00] That dying because of us sin and sin yet it pollutes its powerful as a penalty but also it parts as it

[00:09:07] Separate says from God and as Isaiah says in Isaiah 59

[00:09:12] But you're in nicritis of separated you from your God your sins have hidden his face from you

[00:09:20] So that he will not here

[00:09:23] So sin does separate us from God

[00:09:27] And it's like God's face is now hidden from us because of us sin so when people say to me because I just can't see

[00:09:34] God I can't see what God is doing because God is hidden

[00:09:38] Then I'd say well actually that is the consequences that's the product of our sin for us

[00:09:44] Our sinfulness means that God is hidden so we need deliverance from sin that means God is hidden

[00:09:51] So salvation is about deliverance

[00:09:54] It's also about restoring of a relationship with God and I think this is a you know big

[00:09:59] Part of our Christian faith is that in salvation we now have a nude and renewed a

[00:10:06] New and renewed relationship with God. There's a relationship now to be had

[00:10:12] God is not just some cosmic creator

[00:10:16] Satin some cosmic green room somewhere God is now friend

[00:10:21] Father

[00:10:22] Brother he is now looking for relationship with us so deliverance

[00:10:27] There's a restored relationship and there's a union with God

[00:10:33] And the this important that we are now tied up with what God is doing the ensalvation

[00:10:40] We're not alone on our own. We're now unified. We're we're pulled into a

[00:10:47] Union with God that we're now tied up with him we're wound up and bound up with him

[00:10:57] Only are we restored and we're delivered and we now unified with him salvation is also

[00:11:04] About two other things pre-death and post-death pre-death life today

[00:11:13] Because of salvation because of what Jesus has done today now changes salvation isn't the happen

[00:11:20] There's nothing that just happens when you die and you get to go somewhere else

[00:11:25] In salvation we are now

[00:11:29] new creations today and then in that we are now living our lives

[00:11:36] Working out the kingdom of God in the everyday and I love this phrase Jesus didn't die just to save us from something

[00:11:43] He died to save us for something so Jesus didn't die just to save you from your sin

[00:11:51] It didn't die just to a store or relationship with you. He didn't die just so that he'd be unified with him

[00:11:57] He did so so that you would be

[00:12:01] Copa as with him in his work. He died to save you for a purpose your life now has a purpose

[00:12:11] So salvation changes today's living not just future living

[00:12:18] So

[00:12:19] this major dimensions of deliverance

[00:12:22] We now restore relationship with God we're unity with him

[00:12:26] We we now have a life today that is caught up with what he's doing and friends

[00:12:33] We also have a life caught up with him after life

[00:12:37] But we have this eternal destiny to be with God in paradise to be with God in eternity

[00:12:45] Which means that there is future effect and there's present effect so salvation is today and

[00:12:52] tomorrow

[00:12:54] I was also

[00:12:55] Interesting to just think about is if salvation affects all today and it affects our future friends

[00:13:02] It is also affecting our past

[00:13:05] that in salvation are trauma and

[00:13:09] our lives

[00:13:11] And our deceit of the past is also being transformed and changed and

[00:13:17] That change and transformation of our past is now affecting our present and our future as well

[00:13:21] So it's interesting the cross has this interesting past present future dynamic to it

[00:13:28] The everything of who you were everything of who you are and everything who you are gonna be

[00:13:34] Is caught up in God salvation

[00:13:38] So that's an overview of the dimensions

[00:13:41] or directions you could say of salvation in your life

[00:13:45] So let's just talk a little bit then about the historical perspectives on

[00:13:49] Salvation because at different times and seasons

[00:13:52] Different people have said different things and this can be quite confusing with all which is it then

[00:13:58] So let's just look at these I'm gonna I'm gonna broaden look at four

[00:14:02] Different directions you could look at

[00:14:05] The historical perspective on salvation number one Augustin now Augustine emphasized

[00:14:12] This idea of divine predestination the only those that God is choosing

[00:14:20] will be saved and

[00:14:23] salvation

[00:14:25] Solary relies on God's choice

[00:14:28] For those who are saving so Augustine said well

[00:14:32] Salvation is happening because God is doing it and therefore only the ones that God is saving will be saved

[00:14:40] And the humans don't have a saying this it's something that God is doing God is choosing

[00:14:46] Who is going to save and therefore God becomes the judge over who he is

[00:14:52] Wanting to be with him in his new self-saft people in the eternal realms in

[00:14:58] In eternity then everybody else well, it's just kind of tough

[00:15:02] It's so you weren't saved I'm really sorry, but you weren't chosen and

[00:15:08] An alternative view to this

[00:15:11] Minius he argued

[00:15:15] That humans are free to accept or reject God salvation. He said no, I don't I don't think

[00:15:23] This is what Augustine

[00:15:25] And as the things salvation is what Augustine was saying I think the humans are free to accept or reject God's offer of salvation

[00:15:33] And he was trying to affirm that it's actually human choice

[00:15:37] Humans are choosing if they want to be saved or not it is down to them

[00:15:44] It's down to their choice

[00:15:47] And I said which human but John 360 forgot so love the world that he gave his one an only son that whoever believes in him

[00:15:53] I'm not post well internal life

[00:15:55] I'm and he said he's well actually it's those who are choosing to believe

[00:16:00] God is reaching out but it those that are choosing to believe now Luther and other reformers

[00:16:08] Well, they can have a certain both really

[00:16:11] They said we are saved by grace alone through faith

[00:16:17] That God is

[00:16:18] Predesting some to salvation through Christ but not all are called in that way

[00:16:25] But there are others who were choosing Christ so they were you know some some I'd saved because God is reaching out and saying I want you

[00:16:34] Others are saved because they are saying I want God and it's that two of these things are all kind of coming together

[00:16:39] It's a bit of a disivine mystery

[00:16:42] Because it's both of them and that's not what they were kind of they were arguing

[00:16:46] Now the Catholic and the more orthodox traditions of church would affirm free will

[00:16:54] That we are to cooperate with with God's grace and

[00:16:59] That God initiates an enable salvation and the process relies more on God with us that God is the one that's initiating it

[00:17:10] But actually we we get to choose and they would say that salvation

[00:17:17] Is something that God is doing that we are getting to choose an opt-in to

[00:17:24] But they probably would emphasis emphasize more

[00:17:29] On the angle that it's up to free will so so the Catholic orthodox traditions would say actually

[00:17:36] We as human beings were cooperating with God's grace so the bias is more towards it's

[00:17:42] It's humans who are choosing salvation rather than it's God forcing it upon anybody

[00:17:48] So what I would say is that different Christian traditions imagine a piece of string

[00:17:53] End up in different places along that piece of string or would emphasize either at one end of the scale

[00:17:59] It's about God's sovereignty. God is the one that chooses

[00:18:02] On the other end of the scale they'll say you would say it's human responsibility and

[00:18:07] Depending on where you fit on that scale you kind of put yourself so what end of the scale is God's God's work

[00:18:14] God chooses who saved on the other end of the scale. It's human responsibility and free well

[00:18:20] And then you could choose to be somewhere in the middle of that so the Catholic traditions would say

[00:18:26] That it's actually more at the end of human choice

[00:18:33] Calvin would come from would put it more on it was God's choosing

[00:18:37] It's God's choice on who is being saved and then you've got somewhere in the middle that we're saying

[00:18:44] Well actually, it's a bit of both God chooses some others get to accept and choose and lean into God salvation

[00:18:52] But they basically say a bit of a scale so people would put themselves somewhere on that that scale between

[00:18:58] God do the saving well God is always doing the saving but God is the one who was choosing who saved

[00:19:05] The other end of the scale it's human choice if you want to be saved and then you can place yourself somewhere in the middle of that scale

[00:19:11] So that's that's where history

[00:19:14] has a differed

[00:19:16] depending on how you

[00:19:18] Source certain passages of scripture you might change where you put yourself on that scale

[00:19:25] ultimately

[00:19:28] We are being saved by faith because of what God has done

[00:19:34] So he's the one that's saving and we get to choose

[00:19:38] So let me just define some key components them

[00:19:43] of salvation like what what the kick-on opponents of this salvation thing that we're talking about

[00:19:49] So number what repentance a key component of salvation is there's a moment of repentance where we turn

[00:19:56] And we face God and we turn we turn we turn our backs to him and in repentance we turn and face him

[00:20:04] And that full maneuver of turning around facing him through the act of repentance

[00:20:11] So a key component of salvation is this act of repentance

[00:20:14] A second is the act of faith having faith that Jesus is Lord

[00:20:21] I have faith that Jesus saved me. I am putting my faith in God and his mighty work of grace

[00:20:30] So repentance and the component of faith

[00:20:34] I think there's also another component of what I describe as regeneration

[00:20:39] This component are being changed

[00:20:42] That the insolvation we are no longer the person that we were but God is doing something amazing in us

[00:20:48] We are now new creations. There's a act of regeneration a renewing in us

[00:20:58] Pentons a component of faith component of regeneration

[00:21:02] And so there's also a component of what I describe as reconciliation a component of where we are being

[00:21:07] Reconciled a reconnected to

[00:21:11] God

[00:21:12] Humanity and creation in the fall when Adam and Eve ate the apple in the God

[00:21:19] Three relationships were broken the one between humanity and humanity and then they're one between humanity and the created order

[00:21:30] And those three relationships were broken so that in salvation we are being reconnected with God

[00:21:39] But also being reconnected with other human beings. That's what the church is about and we're also being reconnected with creation

[00:21:47] And I think there's a core on us that are saved

[00:21:50] to not be just interested in people coming to know

[00:21:55] Jesus we're also interested in the whole of the created order

[00:22:00] experiencing

[00:22:04] Salvation

[00:22:05] Exposure and resurrection of God at work and also as taking care of creation

[00:22:11] So there's a re-reconnection or reconciliation between us and God as an as an as an the planet

[00:22:22] Repentance faith

[00:22:25] Regeneration reconciliation and there's another very religious word and I really struggle with the word

[00:22:31] But it's an important one is there were justification

[00:22:34] Mule horrible like what what is justification the justification by faith? I hear it a lot in

[00:22:42] Certain wings of the church. I want to simplify it and say this

[00:22:47] justification is the the act by which God

[00:22:51] moves a willing person from a state of

[00:22:55] Sinfulness to a state of grace

[00:22:59] That's moving us from a state of injustice from it to a state of justice

[00:23:04] It's a new state that we are in where we've gone from being one thing

[00:23:09] to another thing so

[00:23:11] justification is moving us from the state of being a sinner to the state of being saved

[00:23:19] There's something more in salvation than the just

[00:23:22] Accepting Jesus simply repenting. There's a new state that we are in

[00:23:28] that we are now

[00:23:30] In Christ we you know Paul talks about being in Christ cloaked in Christ there's a new state

[00:23:37] That we are in that's what justification is about there's another but another horrible word I hate this word

[00:23:45] Scentification or religion. I just struggle with the phrase like just clunky language horrible

[00:23:51] At some sanctification I'm using them because you will hear this stuff and you're gonna want to know what it means

[00:23:57] sanctification is just an incredibly active being made clean

[00:24:03] So one of the key components of salvation is being washed clean wash clean of our sin

[00:24:11] cleansed

[00:24:13] It's a whole new state that we're in where we are set free from all that makes us

[00:24:21] Um

[00:24:23] clean and dirty the toxins are now gone

[00:24:28] And there's a new state that we're in and one final horrible religious word

[00:24:35] Clory vacation

[00:24:37] These are all important words repentance faith recon

[00:24:40] Read an enraged sure and reconciliation justifications sanctification they're all religious words and very helpful

[00:24:46] But also very clunky unless one is justification and I was what is justification? It's that final stage

[00:24:53] of being changed and it's then it happens after we've died when God

[00:25:02] catches us up and we get caught up in

[00:25:08] The perfecting work and we become what's called

[00:25:12] glorified where we are now in that fine

[00:25:16] stage of perfection and

[00:25:19] We have a new position and place and form in the heavenly as in eternity

[00:25:26] And it's called glorification where we are now in glory

[00:25:30] Where we are now we've got in our renewed state and that's called glorification

[00:25:36] So there's different these different components

[00:25:39] What it means to be saved and I guess there's different stages of our lives where different stages of this

[00:25:46] This salvation work is happening right at the beginning where we're coming to faith

[00:25:52] Where we're repenting

[00:25:53] We're gaining faith that then that stage where we are being changed by him

[00:26:00] Where we're reconnecting with God

[00:26:03] Then there becomes this stage where God is moving us from one state of what we were like

[00:26:09] To what we are now like Paul talks about this as

[00:26:12] All self new self that's what I was like this is what I am now like

[00:26:18] Then you another wave describing that that transformation that is happening

[00:26:23] Is around this idea of sanctification is being cleansed and cleaned and then the final stage is that when we

[00:26:31] Then in glory with the Lord

[00:26:35] We are a new thing all together again

[00:26:39] Because we are now glorified with him in heaven

[00:26:44] So all of these

[00:26:46] Components and dimensions of salvation

[00:26:50] Is what it's all about

[00:26:52] From our old self to our new self

[00:26:56] In Jesus

[00:26:58] So what are

[00:27:01] Not much longer don't worry. I'm gonna land in a minute, but let's talk about the fruits of salvation

[00:27:05] What are the fruits of salvation? Well at the fruits of salvation I would say this

[00:27:10] at the fruit of peace with God a

[00:27:14] sense of

[00:27:15] freedom with God a

[00:27:18] sense of

[00:27:19] Transformation in our understanding of the world of ourselves and how we behave

[00:27:27] Another fruit is that of the desire to serve God

[00:27:30] We we go from being ego centric it's about me

[00:27:35] To it's all about him God centric so our desire that is to serve him

[00:27:41] Another fruit is then

[00:27:44] We talked about this on a previous episode, but the society of assurance and hope a fruit of

[00:27:49] of salvation is that we become assured in who we are in him we feel safe

[00:27:55] Knowing that we're in God and that we're safe with him now

[00:28:00] And then one of the other fruits of salvation is about access to God that as we are saved we now have a new

[00:28:08] Access to him through prayer through his presence through the work of the Holy Spirit's the fruits of salvation peace

[00:28:17] sense of freedom

[00:28:19] sense of being transformed

[00:28:21] A desire to serve God a

[00:28:23] Security in that hope that we have in him and the access to God

[00:28:30] That we can now have access to him in prayer

[00:28:35] So these are all the fruits of salvation so let me just kind of back up a second

[00:28:39] Remind is what we talked about in one of the dimensions of salvation

[00:28:43] In terms of being delivered restored of an new unity with him and we've now got an afterlife with him as well as the present life with him

[00:28:52] We've talked about some of the ways that people have historically had perspectives on this as a bit of a scale

[00:28:58] It's something that God is doing and purely God is saving and and the we don't have a choice in it because God is doing the choosing

[00:29:05] Through to the other end of the scale, which is now we choose to accept what he is doing and there's somewhere in between

[00:29:11] God is at work

[00:29:13] We get to choose and somehow it's a mystery, but it all kind of works out somewhere in the middle

[00:29:18] That's the scale

[00:29:19] Then we've talked about the components of salvation in terms of different stages of our lives

[00:29:26] What that might look like and then we talked about the fruit you know the fruit of salvation peace

[00:29:32] Freedom

[00:29:33] Transformation

[00:29:35] Serving God assurance in him access to God

[00:29:39] All of that is what I would define as salvation. So let me just raise one thing one critique or

[00:29:47] Objection some people might have

[00:29:50] Is that

[00:29:53] Some would say one saved always saved

[00:29:56] Someone say no salvation is something that is happening and you have to keep accepting it every day

[00:30:02] It's not just a ticket that you've now got on that's it

[00:30:05] I would say that we are working our salvation each day trying to put one foot in front of the other

[00:30:12] What's it look like today for me to be saved by Jesus?

[00:30:15] In every choice that I make every relationship, but I have every dynamic of my being

[00:30:21] How do I work this out and that's what we are doing once we are saved

[00:30:28] We are now working out our salvation. What does this now look like for me?

[00:30:35] What I would say is one final thing more final thing. I think salvation also has a different dynamic

[00:30:44] A dynamic that comes to

[00:30:49] Ring comfort

[00:30:52] To us when we did not know God we were anxious in our own selves

[00:31:01] We had no security we had no freedom and we were weary tired and burnt out and as we accept Jesus

[00:31:11] We souls get caught up with him and we are now

[00:31:17] Receiving

[00:31:20] A new new state

[00:31:24] Where we are strengthened and encouraged and held by him and I think salvation is yes from our sin

[00:31:33] But it's also salvation from ourselves and salvation from all of the burdens that we place on

[00:31:41] ourselves because his Yoke is easy and his burden is light

[00:31:46] So salvation is something that's happening spiritually and I think it's also something that's happening physically with us

[00:31:53] As we get caught up with him we find a new freedom and a lightness

[00:31:59] To the burdens of life so I would say friends I would speak encouragement and comfort over you today

[00:32:06] That salvation is something that encourages and it brings strength

[00:32:13] To those that are weary

[00:32:15] Is that something you need today

[00:32:18] as well as some of us knowing that we need to repent for my sins

[00:32:23] Let me just lead us in prayer God there's a lot in there

[00:32:26] Gosh there's so much in there so I was clunky language lord at the end of the day

[00:32:32] It's about us coming into a renewed relationship with you in the fullness of

[00:32:39] That now and in the future

[00:32:43] Lord would all clunky terms fall away

[00:32:46] With all theological debate fall away

[00:32:50] And Lord would we know the simplicity of what it means to be caught up with you in your amazing act of salvation

[00:33:00] We pray that in the powerful name of Jesus your son

[00:33:04] Not the same said

[00:33:07] Friends until next time grace and peace and I hope that has been helpful for you Mark and maybe helpful for others