Rob and Ted sit down with Brian Bell of Calvary Murrieta to talk through what church leadership looks like in a generation that looks very different from the one before it. They cover the real challenges pastors are navigating today, such as declining attendance, the grip of club sports on midweek schedules, and a broader cultural drift that has made shepherding a congregation more demanding than ever. They each share how they've adjusted both their mindsets and churches' approaches, and together offer some grounded, practical thinking for leaders facing the same pressures.
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