509. Go Where You're Invited By Faith

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[00:03:04] nine, I think

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[00:03:07] And here's the topic. I like this one. This is an interesting topic kind of changes

[00:03:13] Kind of changes a little bit from where we were but also hits it pretty well

[00:03:17] Because if we're talking about finishing our race and running our weight race

[00:03:20] This one kind of hits wrong. That is this number eight go where you're invited

[00:03:25] Go where you're invited

[00:03:27] uh many many times

[00:03:29] We see Jesus being invited to various places

[00:03:33] and

[00:03:33] he goes

[00:03:35] As a representative of god the father as god in human flesh

[00:03:39] He goes like like for example, he was at the wedding

[00:03:44] in cana

[00:03:45] Why was he at the wedding in cana?

[00:03:47] Because he was invited. That's why

[00:03:50] And he went and it was a dynamic

[00:03:53] Wonderful time

[00:03:55] And so in a general sense if you want to be more effective, which is the theme of this

[00:04:00] Season and really quite frankly. It's the theme of the entire podcast

[00:04:05] We want to be more usable. We want to be more effective

[00:04:08] And we want to talk very practically of how to do ministry better

[00:04:13] If you want to be more effective you want to learn how to go where you're

[00:04:18] Invited what are your thoughts?

[00:04:20] Well, there there are so many opportunities that we can have

[00:04:25] But god has given us the holy spirit to give us a sense of rightness

[00:04:29] Whether we should step into the opportunity or pass on the opportunity

[00:04:37] And it's not based upon how you feel about it. It's based upon

[00:04:41] What is the right thing to do in this situation?

[00:04:44] And god give me give me the leading because some things are awkward some things

[00:04:48] You know that if you do it, you're going to end up getting pushed back

[00:04:53] And I don't want pushback. I don't need pushback in my life

[00:04:56] But what is the father impacting you to do in this situation? Do it and

[00:05:04] Yeah, you know sometimes the invitation like I like

[00:05:07] When I finished up ministering in Windsor the very next day

[00:05:10] I got a phone call from the uk saying can you come over and help us?

[00:05:15] And

[00:05:16] I never say yes

[00:05:18] Usually right away. I said, you know get you know, we'll get back with you

[00:05:22] So my wife and I prayed about it and we really

[00:05:25] had a sense from the lord that

[00:05:28] Yes, we are to step somehow step into the opportunity

[00:05:32] We didn't have the resources but we were to do it and

[00:05:36] those

[00:05:38] opportunities that come to you

[00:05:41] Aren't just what it looks like on the surface. There it's it's the tip of the iceberg

[00:05:46] And so but you'll never find out the whole iceberg until you take that initial step

[00:05:51] and just commit to go and then gotta be with you in in them like jesus

[00:05:57] Did and so many occasions when he even took

[00:06:01] The dinner that matthew offered with all the publicans and sinners that were there

[00:06:05] It was a joy to him, but he knew they were going to be pushed back

[00:06:08] Again as we're talking about these things or talking about anything

[00:06:12] We're not suspending common sense

[00:06:14] So don't suspend common sense here for

[00:06:17] When you hear the phrase because it's a phrase

[00:06:19] It's just a catchy phrase to help you remember

[00:06:22] That these divine appointments from the lord

[00:06:25] You should go where you're invited like you you should step into them

[00:06:29] But let's not suspend common sense to this to the plate. Like you can't do everything

[00:06:33] So you can't accept every invitation. You can't go to every invitation. I think of an invitation to a

[00:06:40] ceremony that's

[00:06:41] Um between a man and a man saying they're getting married. That's not a wedding

[00:06:46] And if you're invited to that, especially as a pastor, you can't go like that's that's

[00:06:50] That's dishonoring god like it's blasphemous. So don't don't suspend common sense here

[00:06:57] Where you are in a place where well, you know, they invited me to this satanic ritual

[00:07:03] No, don't go where you're invited. Uh, it's probably a good chance that you're not going to go there

[00:07:07] Uh, you know, you're gonna be led by the holy spirit. You're gonna use common sense

[00:07:12] You're gonna make your decision as unto the lord

[00:07:15] So setting that aside though

[00:07:17] What i'm thinking when i'm thinking about when I hear this

[00:07:20] That men and women need to hear need to understand

[00:07:23] Um pastors leaders whatever is

[00:07:27] Many times

[00:07:29] We don't go where we're invited because we don't want to deal with the drama

[00:07:35] Of that invitation for example

[00:07:38] Uh, if I go there, uh, those people left our church a long time ago. They're very mad at me

[00:07:43] So if I go to that party, they're gonna be there and you know, I just don't want to deal with it

[00:07:48] Well, there's a lot of other people at that party

[00:07:52] And

[00:07:53] You should make your decision based on what the lord wants you to do not

[00:07:57] Avoiding something avoiding drama

[00:08:00] I'll give you an example of how this was developed in my life when I moved here when I moved to colorado

[00:08:06] To plant the church. I was green as green could be I didn't know anything about anything in regards of

[00:08:11] Overseeing a church or leading a church in that respect

[00:08:14] I had served at my

[00:08:16] Sending church as us as a singles pastor for almost three years

[00:08:21] But I wasn't on staff

[00:08:22] So I go to work

[00:08:24] Work in the world and then I'd come and teach on Thursday nights and do different things

[00:08:28] As a lay leader a lay pastor or I was a licensed pastor actually there, but I worked full time

[00:08:34] So when I moved here, I didn't understand the politics of ministry or the difficulty

[00:08:39] I didn't know I got I got a taste of it

[00:08:41] But I wasn't the responsible one. So I didn't feel the full weight. So when I was here

[00:08:46] first year or so

[00:08:48] I am

[00:08:50] Walking down the aisle of costco

[00:08:52] And back then the costco's were very empty because the population was much less than it is today

[00:08:57] And there's a brother there and I say hey brother so-and-so. He was an assistant pastor in another calvary here in town

[00:09:04] Hey, brother so-and-so. How you doing?

[00:09:06] And for the next 10 minutes he just ripped

[00:09:11] A calvary chapel. He ripped his feet pastor

[00:09:14] He just because he had been let go for misappropriations or something he got something happened

[00:09:18] I don't remember the details

[00:09:20] And I must have just hit him the week and I don't know anything about like I didn't

[00:09:25] I've never been in a costco where somebody had cost me and like I didn't like whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa

[00:09:31] Wait a con to ding

[00:09:34] um, and and what what

[00:09:37] What

[00:09:38] God was prepping me for because I called the pastor. I said what's going on

[00:09:42] He says one of those would happen can't give you all the details, but he's just really mad

[00:09:46] Oh, yeah, let me tell you how mad he is. I get it

[00:09:49] He says well this pray for him we prayed from him

[00:09:51] We moved on and then over the years as I've seen people leave here upset at me

[00:09:56] We weren't able to resolve it or they just ran away and

[00:09:59] Um posted things about me slander me whatever they never left the city

[00:10:03] They just left the church so I still see him at costco

[00:10:06] I still see him at sam's club walmart whatever

[00:10:09] And the lord gave me this word because it was awkward and I would want to avoid it

[00:10:14] And who wants to deal with that kind of drama like I don't want to argue

[00:10:17] I don't and the lord gave me this word he was it was just in daily devos

[00:10:22] I was reading through the book of joshua and joshua was told wherever the soul of your feet tread

[00:10:26] I've given to you and the lord said that's you ed

[00:10:29] I have given anywhere you are in this city. I've given it to you

[00:10:32] So whoever you meet whoever you come in contact with whoever they used to be

[00:10:37] What if there's going to be any drama? It's not going to be from you because I want you there

[00:10:41] So if you meet him in costco, I want you there if they're at the same birthday party you were at

[00:10:45] I want you there and I want you to step into that

[00:10:48] with a

[00:10:50] sense of

[00:10:51] Honor and respect for the role that you're in I want you to serve them love them

[00:10:57] And don't let it become and it was a big it sounds pretty simple enough

[00:11:01] But it was a big deal for me because I didn't know how to handle those things

[00:11:05] So I would just deny invitations because I didn't want to deal with the drama

[00:11:08] Yeah, comfort zones are what we enjoy but we don't realize that

[00:11:15] They are

[00:11:17] Valleys they are valleys with borders

[00:11:21] And to step out of that into an opportunity that's outside of your comfort zone

[00:11:27] Is threatening its insecure

[00:11:31] Potential drama how am I going to deal with it? I don't need this in my life. I mean we had of all kinds of reasons

[00:11:38] But comfort zones end up being quicksand

[00:11:42] Because they don't

[00:11:44] Elevate you to the next level comfort zones pull you down. Yeah, and they trap you

[00:11:49] I like that illustration being in a valley or a rut with walls. They trap you there

[00:11:54] You never really get out. You can't climb out

[00:11:57] And that this sense of this the excitement of this too. So that's on that's a difficult

[00:12:02] illustration of this but again, if you're a leader or a pastor

[00:12:06] Like I know there's going the longer you walk with the lord the longer you stay in a particular church

[00:12:11] The longer you live in a community

[00:12:13] You're just going to have

[00:12:16] messy relationships

[00:12:17] It doesn't have to be bad or even antagonistic. You're just gonna have messy relationships

[00:12:22] You're gonna have former neighbors that moved out

[00:12:24] But they actually moved around the corner or you're gonna have people that were in your church

[00:12:28] Or you're gonna have somebody that came to fix your heater and broke it or like it's just messy because life is messy

[00:12:35] But as a representative of the lord a spiritual leader

[00:12:40] To serve better. We need to step into a situation like that and be ready to serve

[00:12:45] Be ready to check in on their family be whether they have

[00:12:50] Tension or not

[00:12:51] They still are human. They still have issues. They still you're still a pastor. You're still a leader

[00:12:56] You're still an elder in your church. Why would why would you not want to go to little johnny's birthday party and see him

[00:13:01] Blow out his candles

[00:13:03] And then just minister to whoever's in the room

[00:13:06] I used to have a a poster in my office

[00:13:08] It was a sailboat and the caption was calm seas never made great captains

[00:13:13] and

[00:13:15] The lord puts things in front of you

[00:13:18] To develop you and because he knows that that comfort zones

[00:13:24] um

[00:13:26] Are not healthy. Yeah

[00:13:28] um

[00:13:29] and so

[00:13:30] It's not that you look for drama, but it comes to you

[00:13:34] I mean light life is that way it's going to be that way into your last breath

[00:13:38] There's going to be issues that the whole issue of retirement

[00:13:42] You know where you're just gonna oh i'm just going to like settle back and play golf the rest of my life

[00:13:46] What a great life dude. What about heaven? What about treasure in heaven? What about?

[00:13:52] Well, what's ahead and what about the spiritual quality of your life and all

[00:13:57] there's

[00:13:58] God uses those adversities those trials those challenges

[00:14:04] those rough seas

[00:14:06] um to

[00:14:08] grow you to develop you because

[00:14:11] Anytime you forget you're supposed to stay green you'll end up rotting

[00:14:16] I

[00:14:18] Hear you correctly. There's no retirement because marie and I we have a plan. We're gonna open up a taco shop and

[00:14:25] Playa del Carmen and we're gonna sell tacos until noon, which we're gonna make us enough money

[00:14:30] Well as long as there's fish tacos. No, no, no

[00:14:33] Yeah, carnia saw that but I mean I guess we might have to go to the market

[00:14:36] You know whatever the market demands

[00:14:38] Uh, and we're gonna sell tacos until noon and then just hang out take a little naps

[00:14:43] You know siesta and then get up and enjoy our time. So are you are are you uh saying that's not possible?

[00:14:51] Oh anything's possible

[00:14:54] I was thinking in relation of going where you're invited where

[00:14:58] There isn't a dynamic of this where you're leading you're being led by the holy spirit, right?

[00:15:02] uh, you god wants you a certain place and

[00:15:06] the

[00:15:08] Default answer on an invitation is yeah, I want to be there. I want to do that

[00:15:12] I want to be available

[00:15:13] It's it's that availability, right the characteristics of a of a usable person

[00:15:20] Uh would be a spiritual person a teachable person

[00:15:23] Uh someone who's faithful, but then all those are really not useful if they're not available

[00:15:29] Uh, if they don't make themselves available and when I learn how to go where I'm invited

[00:15:34] I'm gonna end up in places that not everybody's gonna understand not everybody's gonna like not everybody is going to

[00:15:40] You know, I would never do that, right? And you just like no the lord wants me there and he

[00:15:45] I don't know why he wants me there. I'm not sure what he wants to do yet

[00:15:48] But if it's not sin then

[00:15:51] Um, like like we have here if we do anything short of sin if it's not sin

[00:15:55] And I'm not approving of sin

[00:15:57] Then I should develop a perspective of man. This is probably from the lord

[00:16:02] I need to pray like you did with your in England

[00:16:04] You don't know if you're going but your heart was there like so like yeah

[00:16:08] I'm ready to go and then I look at reality and well if I'm gonna go

[00:16:11] Then god's gonna provide this and he's gonna give this and and as I pray he's gonna make it clear to me

[00:16:16] So it's more of the heart of the matter where hey lord

[00:16:19] I'm yours and when I first got saved and I mean that in general for all of us

[00:16:25] It's like I'm gonna go anywhere and do anything for the lord and over time. I'm like, yeah, you know

[00:16:31] You know, it's too much and you know people just phone it in and yeah, you know

[00:16:35] I don't want to do a hospital visit the super bowls on what?

[00:16:39] Seriously, yeah, what do you mean? You're not gonna do a hospital visit. Well the super bowls on

[00:16:44] Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I mean that tells me your heart

[00:16:47] You're gonna watch the super bowl while somebody is well, how about this?

[00:16:51] Why don't you go to the room and pray with them and watch the super bowl with them

[00:16:55] Like why is there why is it automatically a decision?

[00:16:59] And I've watched this over the years. That's not an example that's happened recently but

[00:17:04] As the super bowl just passed

[00:17:06] Um, but I've seen guys make that decision like oh no, I can't

[00:17:10] What do you mean? You can't you said yes

[00:17:13] When you were born again, you said yes

[00:17:15] When you like this person can't get out of the hospital bed

[00:17:19] And you'll be there after the super bowls over

[00:17:22] What well and again, that's a it's a silly illustration, but it actually illustrates

[00:17:27] A darkened heart like this person needs encouragement

[00:17:31] This person needs a pastor to represent the lord and I'm sorry. God's watching the super bowl right now

[00:17:38] You know, I can't I can't make it because that's really what we're saying

[00:17:40] We represent the lord and we're gonna schedule around it and I just can't make it

[00:17:46] Not good. No, it's not good go where you're invited. I like what you also said

[00:17:51] That these opportunities well a couple things one, you know all of these challenges and steps outside

[00:17:58] Uh

[00:17:59] Trials testing's adversity. They develop the character of christ in us. That's what god's doing in us

[00:18:06] As we yield our lives to him

[00:18:08] But also

[00:18:09] When you do end up showing up to a place because you did take the invitation

[00:18:14] I

[00:18:15] I'm reminded of uh of romans 12 verse 18

[00:18:19] If it's possible as much as depends upon you

[00:18:23] Live peaceably with all men

[00:18:25] And because there's tension or messiness between you and me

[00:18:29] I need to be mature enough in my leadership in my servanthood

[00:18:33] Not to allow your problem with me to hold me back from being used by god

[00:18:37] Right. Yeah, I mean in myself. I'm a bit i'm an introvert. I'm

[00:18:43] um, I I get energized by being alone

[00:18:46] And stepping into a crowd of people. I don't know

[00:18:51] Is awkward for me

[00:18:53] Unless I can go and

[00:18:56] I can have a purpose or something like that. I mean, I I remember when I first went to england

[00:19:03] I was invited to this group of uh regional pastors in in the area

[00:19:09] And meeting at a real super fancy hotel for a real fancy dinner and

[00:19:15] so I have to dress up because everybody's like dressed to the nines and

[00:19:18] I don't want to be there, but I know I should because I have to somehow interact

[00:19:25] So and so I'm I'm there everybody's talking to everybody else and I'm by myself

[00:19:30] And nobody's talking to me. Nobody's introducing themselves to me. I'm kind of like the weird guy that's there

[00:19:37] Um, although I look like them. I mean I'm dressed up and all

[00:19:40] and then

[00:19:42] And then my phone goes off

[00:19:45] but

[00:19:46] I program my phone

[00:19:49] That when I got a call from the from the united states, it would play the star spangled banner

[00:19:54] and so

[00:19:56] I'm there standing just awkward and all of a sudden my phone rings

[00:20:01] And it's the star spangled banner and everybody hears it and they stop talking and look at me

[00:20:10] And it's like

[00:20:12] Yeah, you know, it's like that old southwest airlines want to get away. I mean I I

[00:20:17] It was it was terrible

[00:20:19] But I knew I was supposed to be there because there was no other way to start developing relationships

[00:20:25] One by one somehow

[00:20:27] And so you just you walk into it. You just do it and you see what happens

[00:20:32] There's a there's a sense of yielding yourself

[00:20:36] To what god wants for you over and above what you want for yourself

[00:20:40] And even as you describe it, it's very

[00:20:43] strange or interesting

[00:20:45] That many pastors even dynamic pastors are very introverted. I don't know why

[00:20:51] I don't know why that's the case

[00:20:53] Although they are able to adapt and be used probably supernaturally

[00:20:57] To minister to a large group of people

[00:20:59] There's a tendency where a lot of pastor friends that I have

[00:21:03] Would have that same testimony that they're more introverted than they are extroverted on that scale

[00:21:08] However, as you're describing it I can I can see how

[00:21:13] the

[00:21:15] Personality type that we have becomes an excuse

[00:21:18] For not following the lead of the you know, so I don't want to go because of these people here

[00:21:23] I don't want to go because I'm introverted and I get exhausted these places. I don't want to go or I don't

[00:21:28] And it's subtle or not so subtle but the end result is I'm not going where I'm invited

[00:21:34] I'm not acknowledging that this may have come from the Lord. So I'm not even praying about it

[00:21:41] Let's say I get 10 invitations. I may not even pray about the 10

[00:21:45] I was like, no, I don't want to do any of them

[00:21:47] But I'm my heart is wrong. It's not whether I go or not

[00:21:51] And it's not even whether my what my personality is

[00:21:54] It's it's the heart of the matter so much of our lives and ministry is very challenging because they're heart issues

[00:22:01] And as a pastor, I can't touch your heart. I can't do anything about your heart

[00:22:04] Only the Lord can and I want the Lord to touch my heart and one of the things that comes through

[00:22:11] This sense of going where I'm invited is is the Lord wants me there

[00:22:16] Most likely or I wouldn't have got the invitation

[00:22:19] The Lord wants me there and I need to learn to be following his lead to like you said stepping out of comfort

[00:22:26] But it comes out of a time of prayer

[00:22:29] You know and that's I see a lot of this these invitations with

[00:22:33] conferences or teaching at churches or

[00:22:36] Doing leadership development at churches like I want to go where I want to go where I'm invited

[00:22:41] I don't want to go where I'm not invited

[00:22:44] Or I'm not wanted and on the flip side

[00:22:46] You don't force yourself into situations where you're not invited right and so that's you know

[00:22:51] Jesus addresses that you know taking the higher seats. Yeah speed

[00:22:54] That's just as important because we can

[00:22:58] We can make things happen and then say the Lord did it

[00:23:02] And I I I don't I can't I can't say I'm innocent of that

[00:23:06] I've certainly done it before but I can't really live with myself. I don't want to manipulate

[00:23:10] I don't want to be Jacob. I want to be Israel

[00:23:13] I want to I want God to do it and so most of my conversations are with him

[00:23:18] And and most of his answers are it's going to be okay, son. Don't worry about it like you're fine

[00:23:25] Look to me follow me

[00:23:27] But this principle is super important where

[00:23:30] We want to learn to be and it doesn't even have to be like, you know, we're thinking of invitation to a party to a house

[00:23:36] Just just an invitation into a life. Will you come and see my mom at the hospital?

[00:23:42] Yeah

[00:23:43] Will you come to my house and pray for my daughter? Will you

[00:23:46] Come over to this side of the room

[00:23:50] You know, we're in the sanctuary. Can you come over here for a minute?

[00:23:52] Because I want to introduce you to someone I just want to go where I'm invited

[00:23:56] Which also reminds me that I need to be sensitive to listen

[00:24:00] For the Holy Spirit when he's inviting me when he wants when and where he wants me

[00:24:05] And it'll probably random you probably won't get a word saying in the next 10 minutes

[00:24:10] There's going to be this person that's going to come to you and ask you this

[00:24:12] Now it's all just instant in season and out of season

[00:24:16] and

[00:24:17] your

[00:24:18] conscious

[00:24:19] communication with the Lord

[00:24:22] Is essential to preparing you for those moments

[00:24:25] Well, even you being here today was the last minute. I was looking at my schedule. I had some time

[00:24:32] Spaced out and yesterday. I'm like, you know, hey, Kevin, are you gonna be here tomorrow?

[00:24:36] Yeah, I think I'll be here tomorrow. Hey, Bob. Can you be here tomorrow? And you're like, yeah

[00:24:39] I think so and as you processed it. Yeah, let's do let's come together and do some recording for a podcast

[00:24:47] And you were invited and requested and you're here and this wouldn't even take place if you didn't go where you're invited

[00:24:53] Right. It's true. I think you have to have an attitude like I want to step forward into new things

[00:25:00] And generally it's going to be a yes

[00:25:04] Unless I get a check from the Holy Spirit that there's something fishy

[00:25:08] About the whole thing and even then

[00:25:11] Um, you still just because it smells funny

[00:25:15] Doesn't mean you're not supposed to do it yet. It just you have to have further information

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