506. The Person in Front of You Matters

[00:00:00] Welcome to today's broadcast of Lead2Serve, a leadership podcast with Ed Taylor. Welcome

[00:00:11] again to another episode of the Lead2Serve podcast. My name is Ed Taylor. I'm the pastor here

[00:00:18] at Calvary Church in Aurora, Colorado. By the way, Aurora is a Denver suburb. We're on

[00:00:24] the east side of town. If you're thinking, if you've ever flown into the Denver Airport

[00:00:30] we're directly below the airport south and I'm your host for the Lead2Serve podcast. This

[00:00:36] is season number five. A season that I think is going fantastic. The feedback's great.

[00:00:43] The input is great. The fruit has been wonderful so thank you for your response. Thank you

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[00:01:14] you. You might want to use a discipleship prize with your team. There's so many ways that

[00:01:19] you can collaborate with us and that's before we ever even talk. If you need help, you

[00:01:24] can email me at edtaylor.org. We have a team of men here ready to serve, ready to help,

[00:01:33] ready to encourage. Pastor Bob, he has even more time available to him. If it's possible

[00:01:40] he could even come out and help you at your church, maybe do an assessment or come and

[00:01:45] fill in for you. If you need a week off to teach, he's a part of something an organization

[00:01:51] known as point ministry. He has all this freedom when he's not scheduled. For a guy that

[00:01:56] has a lot of freedom, he also has a very full schedule at times. If you call him or email

[00:02:02] him, you can just contact us through the podcast. We'll get you in contact with them and

[00:02:06] you could talk to him as well. 50 years of ministry experience through a couple different

[00:02:10] generations. He's planted churches, he's been on the mission field. He served as a

[00:02:16] hippie because he was a hippie and had a live-in ministry at a house. It's just a wealth

[00:02:24] of ministry experience. Bob, welcome to the program. Yeah, absolutely great to be here.

[00:02:30] Here a voice, you're here because the feedback and you in particular, so it's two parts of

[00:02:36] the feedback of why you're here. One is people, a lot of people wrote in asking for the conversation

[00:02:43] style to continue. They like that. I do too because you never know where it's going to

[00:02:48] go, but another piece of feedback is they really appreciated you as part of the conversation.

[00:02:53] Of course, I haven't had really anyone else on, so they really, really do like you, and

[00:02:59] they do. They appreciate your input even as we do here. If you don't know the story of Bob,

[00:03:05] he's been a ministry for 54 years. He planted a church, handed it off to a young man in North

[00:03:12] Phoenix. He was there for 29 years. Had a little gap of ministry and then launched off into the

[00:03:18] mission field in Exeter England six and a half years. Then he came back and he's been serving

[00:03:23] here on our team in Aurora for four and a half years. But the way he lands in Aurora, part of

[00:03:29] the story is I was in our team here. I was just praying. On the way to the office and the way back,

[00:03:38] I felt like the team was hearing enough of my voice. They certainly do. A lot of discipleship

[00:03:44] goes on here. A lot of input goes on here. But I was praying for a particular person. It's

[00:03:51] interesting. There's two people that I prayed for, both clay camps end up being clay camps. One

[00:03:56] was Bob and one was his son. But for Bob, I was driving around really asking Lord, Lord, we need

[00:04:04] a grandfatherly voice on our team. We need a voice of wisdom. We need a voice, an austere voice

[00:04:12] in just like maturity. And like-mindedness, even though Bob and I didn't really know each other

[00:04:20] all that much, although we met in-I went to the mission field serve with his son. But that like-mindedness

[00:04:26] but a voice that we could all receive from, that we could all take in, that is different from mine.

[00:04:32] But it resonates with the Holy Spirit and through a whole series of events including a medical

[00:04:39] crisis, Bob ends up praying about leaving Exeter and he's praying about two locations in one of

[00:04:46] them's Aurora. And God has let him here and his wife, Genie, and they are such a great addition.

[00:04:52] Even more, you know how the Bible says Bob that God wants to do exceedingly abundantly above all

[00:04:57] we can think or ask? I mean it was even more. It's what prompted was that voice and you certainly

[00:05:02] have given us that voice. But you and your wife have brought so much to this church. It's unbelievable.

[00:05:06] We so appreciate you. And Genie is unbelievable how God has used your giftings. And you're a little bit

[00:05:14] older. You shared that in an earlier episode, your 73 in the latter season of your life. And

[00:05:22] what tell us just for the sake of maybe younger guys that wonder if there's a future for them or

[00:05:27] even older guys and gals? Tell us because I know it already but give us a real thumbnail of the word

[00:05:33] that God gave you for this latter season of your life. Yeah. I think it was in reading Alan Redpath's

[00:05:39] book on his devotional commentary on the book of Joshua. And just seeing Joshua and Caleb and

[00:05:45] their heart and their attitude. The whole focus was I've been we had been used a lot in the prior years.

[00:05:56] But we of the tendency is just to slow down and chill out and take it easy in your latter years.

[00:06:06] That didn't make any sense with Jesus command to lay up treasure in heaven.

[00:06:11] And so the prayer that became ours probably in the late 90s, it started that our latter years

[00:06:19] would be more fruitful than our former years. And don't try to figure out what that looks like. Let

[00:06:26] the Lord determine because it all has to do with his glory and not our doesn't mean a larger church.

[00:06:32] It doesn't mean anything like that. It just means it's up to the Lord on what that looks like because

[00:06:37] he is the one that's in charge and yeah, do you see God fulfilling that or do you think it's still

[00:06:46] elusive? Yeah, I can see a greater measure of how he's using us but yet I can't stop there.

[00:06:55] I can't land on that. I have to stop trying to figure it out because that's been my

[00:07:04] nemesis and that's what we were saying in the last episode about Pastor Chuck putting a place

[00:07:08] against presumption and really having this stop, this check to make sure I'm moving forward,

[00:07:15] moving forward, moving forward. I always like to remind you like I always like to remind you

[00:07:20] of the fruit that I see in your life and the abundance of fruit. Although I don't have a comparison

[00:07:25] to the previous, I don't need a comparison because I see what God's doing now. And one of them is

[00:07:31] this. Have you ever listened to a podcast before? Like let's say five years ago, have you ever

[00:07:35] listened to a podcast maybe four years ago? Like did you ever? Yeah. So then think about

[00:07:41] did you ever think about you'd be a prominent speaker on a podcast? No. And yet God knew that.

[00:07:47] Yeah, he did. And God knew he would multiply part of your ministry through this technology

[00:07:52] that you weren't even praying about in the 90s because it didn't exist. Yeah. I mean we had no

[00:07:55] idea. We'd be going to England. Right. It was never on our prayer list. Why would God do that when

[00:08:00] we never had it on our prayer list? And one of the fruitful if I'm speaking in order here,

[00:08:05] one of the fruitful parts of the ministry was not merely the church but all the young people

[00:08:10] you guys were ministering to in your house. Yeah. National students just look random. But

[00:08:16] then you look back and you see the it's kind of like you know those connect connect the dot books

[00:08:21] you know by the numbers, you know, the kids figure out what this is. That that's kind of how it is.

[00:08:25] Yeah. That's that's how it was over there. You know, it's just part of the adventure. And it's

[00:08:30] still it's always going to be that way. Yeah. Well let's get to the topic today. Great stuff.

[00:08:34] Just talking ministry and life together. We're an episode number six. And the title or the emphasis

[00:08:41] you want to be more effective. You want to be more usable. Here's a practical piece that is so

[00:08:45] important and that is you need to pay attention to the one that's in front of you. You need to pay

[00:08:51] attention to the person that is in front of you. There are a couple aspects of this but let me give

[00:08:57] you one of them and then I'll let Bob give another that we have jotted down here. But this is a

[00:09:02] Bob. I'm sure this has happened to you because you and I have been to a lot of conferences

[00:09:07] together. A lot of pastors conferences, a lot of leader conferences, a lot of a lot of gatherings

[00:09:13] of people and hopefully we haven't done this but there's a good chance that we have but certainly

[00:09:20] it's been done to us and that it's this. I and I'm going to use you as an example even though

[00:09:25] you didn't do it to me. Say hey Bob how you doing? What's going on? How's your life? How's ministry?

[00:09:30] How's Genie going? And you give me these quick answers but you never really look me in the eye

[00:09:36] because you're looking over my shoulder and you're waiting. Ed you kind of stopped me in the hallway

[00:09:42] here and I know you and we kind of know each other but I see pastors so and so about 30 feet behind

[00:09:50] you and that's the guy I really want to talk to. And so get done with your questions really,

[00:09:57] really quick here because I need to swim past you. It's so true because I'm going to try to

[00:10:03] connect with that guy and I don't even know if I can connect them because I don't really know

[00:10:06] but he's a lot more important to me right now than you are for whatever reason. It could be good,

[00:10:12] it could be bad. A lot of times it's not good and I don't think I'm being subjective here

[00:10:19] and you can correct me. I'm throwing it out there because this is a pet peeve of mine

[00:10:24] and it bothers me because I don't want to be like this because it's happening to me so like if it's

[00:10:29] more subjective I'm willing to hear from you. I really do think it's objective. This has happened

[00:10:34] countless times to me where I am in a conversation. Somebody asked me a question about my life or something

[00:10:41] I'm starting to give you my and they're not even paying attention to me. Yeah. And it happens all the

[00:10:46] time but conferences in particular. What are your thoughts about that? Well, it's true. I'm guilty.

[00:10:53] I've done it myself and it's just I look back on it. Think about it and what was the issue? The issue

[00:11:01] was my own need to be recognized. I mean, I'm guilty. I've done it but then I know what it's like

[00:11:11] on the other side when you come up to somebody. You have a real serious issue and they're looking at

[00:11:17] you and then they're looking over there and then they're looking at you and then looking over here

[00:11:22] and it just makes you feel like you're not so important. And I'm taking this guy's time. Why am I

[00:11:28] even here? It's not walking in love. Now, talking with someone who's communicating to you their details,

[00:11:37] sometimes I feel awkward just staring at their face for five minutes. And so I've got to

[00:11:43] kind of when I'm trying to talk I'm trying to think and so I'll look up or I'll look away

[00:11:49] and then I've watched them turn their turn their head and try to see who I'm looking at.

[00:11:55] Right. Which is not I'm not doing that at the time but I and so each individual's different

[00:12:03] and it really comes to the point where you just focus on the person in front of you and

[00:12:10] you're going to trust the Lord with all the rest of it. God sets up divine appointments and this

[00:12:16] person's come to you. Give them your full attention. And I would agree that there's a distinction

[00:12:21] between looking over your shoulder and really looking past you to want to connect with someone else

[00:12:29] or talk to someone else and just carrying on a conversation where you can't stare at somebody.

[00:12:35] And I think there's a distinction between that that if we pay attention,

[00:12:40] we can see the difference. But the reality is that the most important person in your life

[00:12:47] is the person that's in front of you as a pastor, as a leader, as a servant. It's not to get through

[00:12:53] someone it's to give full attention to to be fully present with the person. I'll give you an example

[00:13:02] as a parent that I've made massive failures at in the early days as a parent. I would take my kids

[00:13:09] to the park. I would push them on the swing. I would climb on the monkey bars with them while I was

[00:13:15] on the phone as a pastor, young pastor or even when I was working in the corporate world,

[00:13:23] when they introduced cell phones and there was some crisis. And I really did believe that I could do

[00:13:29] two things at once that I could be present with my kids and also take care of some crisis on the phone.

[00:13:35] But I couldn't and neither can you. You can't do two things at once and I don't mean that you can't

[00:13:41] literally do two things at once. What I mean is you can't do two things well at once

[00:13:48] and to be fully present with my kids. Yeah, it's true. I was pushing their back on the swings

[00:13:53] and in one way I was fulfilling that but is that all they really wanted was a mechanical

[00:13:59] pushing on the swing or did they want me to be there with them on the swing? Did they? And you know,

[00:14:04] we're not talking about my kids complaining or or even holding it against me later in life.

[00:14:10] But as I've grown up and now I get to disciple others, this is a key whether it's your kids,

[00:14:15] whether it's people in your church, whether it's someone you're serving, the person in front of you

[00:14:20] is literally the most important person. I think of Jesus. I have this painting in my office where

[00:14:27] the woman comes and touches the hem of his garment. He was thronged, the Bible says with people. He

[00:14:32] was there was a massively crowd. Nobody knew anybody. It was a pressing, pressing, pressing.

[00:14:38] But everything stopped. Who touched me? And she received all the attention in a crowd of hundreds

[00:14:47] if not thousands who knows how many people were there. She received because she was the most

[00:14:52] important person in the moment. It doesn't mean that again you're listening to this go well,

[00:14:57] what do you mean the most important person as my mom or as my wife? No, no, no, no, we're talking

[00:15:01] different categories here. This is not, we're not comparing apples to oranges. Of course there's

[00:15:06] value of people in your life in one category. But when it comes to serving in ministry, I'm just saying

[00:15:12] it's flat out pastor. Stop it. Stop looking over people's shoulders. Stop minimizing someone's

[00:15:18] value in front of you and pay attention to them. Get their name, get their story, pray with them,

[00:15:24] a minister to them, follow up with them. But don't look over their shoulders or over their head

[00:15:30] to somebody you think is more important. Pay attention to the one that's in front of you.

[00:15:36] Why? Well, like you mentioned, interruptions are often divine appointments. That's right.

[00:15:41] And sometimes, poor old gyros, timeless of the essence and Jesus took time with the woman

[00:15:49] which jeopardized his situation. And there are times when people will think wrongly about the fact

[00:15:58] that they'll walk by and they'll want our attention. And then they'll come to the wrong conclusion.

[00:16:06] You've got to be secure in yourself that they will think what they think. But

[00:16:12] I have a clear conscience before the Lord. Yes. And so you walk with that rather than the fear of man

[00:16:18] or what they'll think. I mean, I had people in Phoenix that came to me and said, how can

[00:16:23] you're so upset? I'm going to be talking about, he says, well, you walk by me and there's a

[00:16:27] scowl on your face. You know what? You mad at me and I'm going, no. Actually, at the time,

[00:16:34] I just heard this news and I'm trying to figure out how to process this news. And I just walked

[00:16:39] by you. I didn't even think about it as a leader devote your full attention to the person in front of

[00:16:45] you. I want to be careful here to clarify. We always want to be careful. Like it's not,

[00:16:50] we're not talking about every single action, every single eye movement. We're not trying to freak you

[00:16:57] out. This is the heart. When I'm disciplining the guys here and I want to serve with men here,

[00:17:02] I'm trying to get to the heart of the matter. The heart of the matter is if you care about the

[00:17:06] person in front of you, all the other things are going to follow. You can't fake this because it's

[00:17:10] very obvious, very obviously seen when you're faking caring and compassion. It's very obvious.

[00:17:17] When I'm talking about here, it's just one little example. But when I'm talking about here,

[00:17:22] it is obvious. Like it's even sometimes they go, you know, excuse me. And let's make room for the

[00:17:28] fact that maybe I'm on my way to see someone and you stop me and I've got to get over there. That's

[00:17:35] different. I mean, we're talking, hey, Bob, how you doing? Oh, it's great. And then I mean,

[00:17:40] I've had, I remember one, you just reminded me of one when we were at a Murray at a

[00:17:46] Calvary Chapel Bible College campus conference. And this pastor, everyone would know who he is.

[00:17:52] I'm kind of nervous because I don't really know him and we're talking and we start a conversation.

[00:17:57] And I mean, he just stopped talking and walked away and went to another person,

[00:18:03] another prominent guy that you would know. And I'm just like, okay, I guess I had that happen.

[00:18:08] It's like, you know, it wasn't even, he didn't even close the conference. It didn't even like

[00:18:12] wind it down or anything. It's like, I'm done with you. And how do I know you're done with me?

[00:18:19] Because I'm walking away without a word. Yeah. Oh yeah.

[00:18:22] Miss sentence. That happened fairly recently actually.

[00:18:25] And so when I think of that, I'm not, it doesn't matter what other guys do. They're not my servant.

[00:18:32] It matters what I do. And I want and I want to hit this more often than not. I want

[00:18:38] the person in front of me to be the most important one right now. Yeah. Now let's bring this around

[00:18:44] to the family because I've been guilty of this when my wife is trying to talk to me.

[00:18:53] I'm in the middle of something and I'm trying to figure it out. And she wants my attention.

[00:18:58] And if I lose this track, then I have to go back almost to the beginning and try to try it again.

[00:19:04] And so I get in trouble because I'm not a multitasker. I'm pretty much one thing by one thing.

[00:19:13] And I've had to learn to be careful how I transition.

[00:19:22] If I get upset and close the computer quickly, all of a sudden she reads it as,

[00:19:29] yeah, I'm interrupting you. I'm sorry. And it becomes an issue. It's my fault.

[00:19:36] We do have to communicate that how she, if she wants my attention, saying,

[00:19:42] Bob, I need to discuss some things with you. So when you have a break, can we talk?

[00:19:48] Okay, that's fair. But it doesn't always work out that way. But for me, I have to devote my full

[00:19:56] attention to her because it communicates more than words. It's nonverbals and they communicate

[00:20:03] more than your words, same with your kids like you were talking about. They are more perceptive

[00:20:09] than you think. They do. They're very perceptive and observant. I'm thinking of an example with Marie.

[00:20:15] I mean, these are topics I want to explore maybe in another season or later, but

[00:20:21] I have come to the conclusion there's no such thing as multitasking and there's no such thing as

[00:20:26] balance. And I have explanations for that and tell people's thinking even though we use the phrase

[00:20:31] and that'll be different topics I want to talk about them. However, this, I learned this the

[00:20:37] harder way of Marie. It happened here in my office here in the building. I'm doing exactly what you

[00:20:43] do. I'm answering email or writing something. My laptop's up like it is right now. I'm focused on

[00:20:49] my wife comes in on the other side of my desk with my laptop open. I'm typing and listening to her

[00:20:55] and all of a sudden, I hear it. You have an award award I've said. And I said, no, I did hear

[00:21:00] you know, and use and I gave back the words. I kind of like how I do with Spanish. I don't

[00:21:06] know Spanish, but if I pick up on every other word because I do know some words, I could figure out

[00:21:11] what somebody's saying for the most part. And I kind of was like that with Marie. I picked up a couple

[00:21:18] words and come to the conclusion. And she walked over and did something that nobody else would be

[00:21:22] willing to do. She just closed my computer. And she said enough of this. This was a, this was a

[00:21:28] really a moment in our marriage where I needed to risk if I hadn't respond the way I did, I think it

[00:21:34] would have been worse. And she just, she closed and she says, I need you to pay attention to me. You

[00:21:40] cannot pay attention to your computer. And she just, she rebuked me in a way that was risk, you

[00:21:46] that I needed. She was kind, but she was firm, which now I do it myself, whether it's her if you

[00:21:53] my laptop's open right now because I'm using it for my computer and we're having a conversation.

[00:21:58] But if you were in my office and you came in and you walk in my office and my computer is open

[00:22:02] and you're in my office, I don't need you to close it. I'm going to close it so that even if

[00:22:08] I didn't, even if I could train myself to look over, I want to communicate to you that you're the most

[00:22:14] important. You're in my office. So yeah, if what do you need? I can pick this up later. And like

[00:22:20] you said, there are different times like if it was office here and I couldn't be interrupted,

[00:22:25] my door would be closed. Although now we put big windows on our doors so now people can just stand

[00:22:31] at the window and look at me and I'm like, okay, come on in, but this is very important what you

[00:22:36] just shared whether it's our spouse, whether it's each other, like this vow, we communicate value by

[00:22:42] paying attention to someone by rearranging our life, by sacrificing and it really becomes a sacrifice

[00:22:48] where you know what, bomb for your wife, you're going to lose your train of thought. So just deal

[00:22:53] with it. And you're like, no, I don't want to deal with it exactly. That's my flesh in the spirit

[00:22:58] because there's a phrase, I know Marie's voice. Like I know I've been with her over a long time.

[00:23:04] I know her voice and I know this phrase in that particular tone means I'm not going to be able

[00:23:11] to sit down for very long wherever I'm out in the house. And it's just this, hey Ed

[00:23:16] and set a certain way she wants some action from me. She's going to want me to get up,

[00:23:21] go do something, I will need to give her my full and it comes from all over corners of the house.

[00:23:27] I didn't even know she was, I didn't even know our house was that big. It echoes through the house.

[00:23:33] But it's part of that. I mean, maybe there's again more episodes on marriage and ministry but

[00:23:39] it's dwelling with your wife with understanding. When I hear that voice, I need to

[00:23:45] die to myself and give her my full attention, not my partial attention because it is a

[00:23:53] gop-a-love. It is self-sacrificial. It is the way of Jesus. Who touched the hymn of my garment?

[00:24:00] That's what's most important right now. Who touched the hymn of my garment? Who needs my attention?

[00:24:06] And one of the hindrances that I see in my own life, Bob, and I'm sure you guys listening in,

[00:24:11] see it too is I measure that interruption by my needs and wants. And I don't value that it's

[00:24:19] important to you. I relegate whatever you need is less important than what I'm doing right now,

[00:24:25] which then is a value statement on you and you're not important to me. It's just unnecessary.

[00:24:31] It's practical things. It's part of discipleship. I think those are practical

[00:24:37] points of discipleship, even with our kids that in our discipling of our kids, we say, listen,

[00:24:45] this is how we work out issues here. We don't ignore it. We don't throw it under the carpet.

[00:24:51] We don't just yell at you and be quiet. We work it out. We do the confrontation, do the repentance

[00:25:00] and this full attention issue is also a discipleship issue. And because as a society,

[00:25:07] we are such a cancel culture. If I don't like you, if you offend me, you're out of my life

[00:25:12] and we're just a throwaway kind of a society and it so permeates,

[00:25:20] it's kind of like a barking dog in the back where you go, and I don't need this. I'm out of here.

[00:25:25] And that's not walking in love. You're called to walk in a guppy love, not just by what you say,

[00:25:31] but your actions, the non-verbals. Pay attention to the one in front of you. Make them the most

[00:25:36] important. You want to be more effective in ministry. The people that are in front of you.

[00:25:42] You don't do it superficially. It's the truth. The truth is the person in front of you.

[00:25:49] And one of the things that we try and we want to have a culture here among our leaders is,

[00:25:58] we don't make fun of people. We don't make fun of behaviors. We don't call names. And if we do,

[00:26:07] we repent like that is not from the Lord. The challenging situations, that's what they are. They're

[00:26:15] challenging. God has invited us into their lives. God has given us the privilege of serving them.

[00:26:20] And think back how you walked in, I remember I am unique and weird to people.

[00:26:29] And I don't need to be called that. I just am. I'm just unique. I'm not like anyone else.

[00:26:33] You're not like anyone else. And so for those challenging people, this is another thing.

[00:26:38] And again, just thinking about all these. It's so another people mine is when pastors will get

[00:26:45] up and go, I love the ministry but I hate the people. Get out of the ministry, bro, because

[00:26:50] ministry is people. And if you're really saying that I don't like the challenges people get,

[00:26:58] if you're really saying I don't like the difficulties, if you're really saying, then say that.

[00:27:03] Don't say you hate people or don't like people or I love the ministry. I love the easy part to

[00:27:08] ministry but I don't like paying attention to the one in front of me. I don't like the person that

[00:27:12] comes up all the time. I don't like the person with the, that sends me all those emails.

[00:27:16] Stop it because like you God is like you don't harden your heart toward them.

[00:27:23] Ministry is people situations we don't have to like difficulties. We don't have to like.

[00:27:28] But people like at the very least let's talk about them in a way that will facilitate us liking

[00:27:34] them, not distancing us farther from them. You know feeding my lambs feeding my sheep.

[00:27:40] That's easy. We can just throw out information. But tending is a messy work. Yeah.

[00:27:45] Tending is the hard work. Tending is the work that doesn't ever stop. That's right.

[00:27:50] So pay attention to the person in front of you as we come do another close of an episode. I hope

[00:27:55] this is helpful for you. It is for us whether it hits the home right now or it's for the future.

[00:28:01] Pay attention to the one in front of you. Don't look over the shoulders. Don't look to someone

[00:28:06] more important. They are God placed them there. Walk in a God pay love. This is the lead to serve

[00:28:12] podcast. My name is Ed Taylor. We pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora. The website for Calvary

[00:28:18] Church is Calvary.co. Church. I don't think I mentioned it the whole season. Calvary.co. Church.

[00:28:25] My personal website, edtaler.org. Bob, do you have a website? You do, don't you? Yeah. Bob at

[00:28:32] bobclaycamp.com. Right. So his personal email, Bob at bobclaycamp.com also he was able to secure

[00:28:40] his dot com. So bobclaycamp.com. So all my messages since the late 90s and the Sorman notes

[00:28:47] are on that side. Fantastic. So if you want to connect with Bob and his ministry of teaching,

[00:28:54] you want to connect with him personally, please do our website at the church here Calvary.co.

[00:29:00] Church. Remember, send us info, email us, give us feedback, give us ideas for future episodes.

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[00:29:18] the Lord encourage and strengthen and bless you as you seek to serve him.

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