Do you know where you belong in the Body of Christ? We often use the phrase "the calling of God" to describe God's will for our lives. What is it? How do I learn what it is for my life? How do I live out the call of God? On today's episode of Lead2serve, Pastors Ed & Bob talk about this and other subjects to help narrow down the focus of your life. Be sure to subscribe and share this episode. It helps a lot.
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Here's Ed Taylor with today's episode of lead to serve a
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leadership podcast. Hey welcome again to another
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episode of the lead to serve podcast or so encouraged by all
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the feedback you guys have been sharing.
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You've been texting the text number 7, 2016, 08 00, 12 and we
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love to hear from you. Be a text, you can email Ed Ed
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Ed, Taylor dot-org. You've been calling in and
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leaving messages. Thank you, guys, we're also
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taking your topics. Today's topic is something that
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Someone asked for and we'll get to in a moment.
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But the lead to serve podcast is time that we sit down together
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and we talked about Ministry and the view that I have in my mind
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is that you're sitting across the table with me.
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We're talking Ministry. We're talking about things just
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really not scripted, as much as what comes to mind.
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What are best practices and for this season, we specifically
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included Pastor Bob, Clay Camp. So I want to welcome Bob to the
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program again, welcome Bob. Yes, it's great to be with you.
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He remind us again. How many years you have been in?
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What would be considered full-time Ministry?
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Well probably just a little bit after I accepted Christ back in
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1969. We got involved with the youth
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ministry that came out of Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa and
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in those Christian houses, that were running all across the
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country, at the time, and the 70s, and then also, Also
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teaching at the foundational. Bible School in that youth
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ministry for four and a half years.
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And so that for the most part it's been full-time, started
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pastoring in 1981, but involved in Ministry since the early 70s.
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Let's say, so we're talking early 70s not you were saved in
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69 so you wouldn't you when you do the math, you wouldn't go
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back. So I kind of go back to when I
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was saved. Even though I Have like official
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pastoral responsibilities. I mean, I started serving and I
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guess full-time is not that everything is full time ministry
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that probably could be a topic on an episode to.
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But so you're looking at 50 years, 40 years.
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What would you say to someone? It would be probably 50.
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It's 53 years. Yeah.
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Yes. A wealth of information I
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bought. I've enjoyed this season.
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I've enjoyed serving with you the last few years side by side.
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And this, this If new podcast with you being on it has been
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really good this dialogue format.
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And by the way, besides all the feedback that we've been getting
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Bob, the one of the one of the one that's repetitive is that
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people are really liking the dialogue.
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The way it's changed into a discussion bouncing ideas off of
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two people. So, thanks for joining me.
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I know it takes a lot of effort llege.
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Well, our topic today building, you know, we're kind of
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building. It might sound, like, there's no
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Rhyme or Reason. There's definitely a Rhyme or
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Reason we're trying to build on one another.
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On the topics last week, we talked about a real hard one, or
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I'd say, the last episode and that is like-mindedness
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submission and how hard people have such a hard time with
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submission. And I think probably the number
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one reason is just the abuse that takes place or has taken
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placed within the body of Christ.
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Not talking, regular mistakes. I mean, in 50 years, I'm sure
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that you've made your sure fair share.
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Mistakes and I know. Yeah.
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And I you know what, I would say in relation to submission is in
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my 30 years of ministry. I would say I made my first
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share of mistakes and the mistakes that I'm thinking of,
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in particular, are ones that hurt people.
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We're yeah, we made a bad decision or had a bad day or and
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I'm not minimizing it like we've resolved it, we've repented from
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it. We've tried to work out
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everything with the person that was on the other side.
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But I think any time You get people together, there's going
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to be friction, there's going to be difficulty and so we talked
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about that last week. If you listen to the podcast,
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the feedback you guys gave, thank you for that today, we
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want to shift gears a little bit and the topic is fulfilling
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God's call upon your life. And there are so many angles
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that we could take with this Bob, but I think I want to start
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with you. And just ask this question,
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what? It is God's call upon your life.
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What is that? Exactly.
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And I don't mean you personally, but like somebody listening and
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like, what does that mean? Yeah, it to me, you have to
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start with the general parameters and that's obedience
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to the words of the Lord Jesus to the Council of the Apostle
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Paul where you make a decision to order your life, according to
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the world view of scripture rather than the society and you
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lived that out in your everyday, live it out in your family, you
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live it out in your marriage. You live it out in your
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workplace and and, And then as you continue on there are
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certain desires that come up as you're interacting with other
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people where for myself it was wanting to take the word of God
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and communicate it simply and accurately and then bring it to
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real life rather than just have it be a university class.
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But what does this look like in my life and there?
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There are different avenues that God begins to take that broader
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picture and then refine it in his particular gifting whether
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it's evangelism or whether it's the gift of helps and service or
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the gift of administration, things like that.
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I like how you tie it in with gifting because the call of God
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is going to be directly related to how he made you the gift, the
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spiritual giftings that you have The natural abilities that have
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been developed in your life. And I think of it this way, I
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was reminded of the, as you were talking, I was reminded of this
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scripture. Paul, the Apostle is writing to
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the church in Philippi. And he uses this phrase, We
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emphasize the the other parts of this paragraph so much that we
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may miss the little phrase here in Philippians 3:14 because he's
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talking about having perfect haven't attained.
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I'm not already perfected, but I press on.
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Why God lay hold of me. I Don't count count myself to
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apprehended. But one thing I do, I forget the
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things behind reaching for I ended up reading the whole
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thing, reaching forward to those things which are ahead.
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And then he says, verse 14, I press toward the goal for the
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prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
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And there is upward call of God in Christ Jesus that I get if we
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had to If we had to explain it within culture today, it's all
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these voices, all these thoughts, all these emotions and
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you hear God, his call upon your life, it is, I guess the
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ultimate purpose for Why God has placed you on this Earth.
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And to me it's necessary that you know this that you have some
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kind of clarity to this. I think of the calling of being
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a mom I The calling of being a firefighter.
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I think of the calling of being a pastor and I know that when we
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use Christian language, it could easily be, it could easily be
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interpreted like, well then the only call of God is pastoral
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Ministry, but the call of God is much broader than pastoral
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Ministry. Absolutely.
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What? Let's walk through Bob, let's
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walk through. How first of all, how did you
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know, how did you come to know? God's call upon your life, it
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was too, not just one thing, but several things there were those
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that would come to me and say, it seems that you've got this
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gifting and every time you use it, there's there's fruit in it.
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And the second thing is there is a long-standing desire in your
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heart to be used in a particular Avenue, or particular way.
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And then also, Circumstances can come into it, where there's
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opportunities that just seem to pop up and you step into those
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opportunities and that gifting seems to seems to come out.
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I know I've been placed in situations where I had to be
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like an evangelist which is really not a strong gifting of
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mine, but yet in the circumstance, God can bestow
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that particular gifting for that particular season.
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And then You know, it's just that one that one time and it
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worked as a times, you try it. And it's like Gust, he just
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doesn't come come out, but there's that multiple
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long-standing desire, the affirmation of others that are
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watching your life and affirming, those giftings.
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And then you see the fruit in the lives of other people by
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using that get I think that when you when a person approaches
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this in new believer or just getting involved in serving or
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like, you know, on our podcast its leadership and servanthood
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that we can over spiritualize things to the point where we
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don't, we don't acknowledge that.
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God, he uses very natural means to accomplish the Supernatural,
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and yes, the reality of where we are in our walk with the Lord,
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we have to ask You know, number one, what comes naturally in
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your life? Like because you're going to
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want to, you're going to want to be used in a way where what God
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is doing, very naturally, like you have a, an affinity for
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numbers or you can fix cars or fix things or your, you can read
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your studious. There's the natural realm, and
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then there's the supernatural realm, where God will, then
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bestow upon a man. Nor a woman Supernatural gifts,
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which is another passage of scripture that came to mind.
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When I was thinking of this call, I was thinking of Timothy
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where Paul would tell him to meditate on these things.
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Give yourself entirely to them. That your progress may be
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evident to all, take heed to yourself, And to the doctrine
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continuing them, for doing this, you will say both yourself and
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those who hear you and that was in follow-up to his exhortation
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in the verse prior where he said, do not neglect the gift
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that was in you, which was given to you by prophecy by the laying
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hands on the eldership. You have the natural bent, you
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have the supernatural gifting and then like you.
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Like you had added the affirmation of the leadership
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and say, I see this in you, I see fruit In your life and
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you're looking for, what is God blessing?
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What is God? Not blessing.
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And I think of, I think of, in my own life, new believer, very
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eager, I'm an all-in, kind of guy like like Peter, you know,
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probably be very impetuous back then not so much now.
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But, but as a new believer, I definitely was all in.
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And so I'm just going to do whatever Pastor tells us to do
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whatever he teaches. I want to obey it and I end up
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taking some classes and serving in.
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The children's ministry and I didn't think I would last in the
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children's ministry because I didn't want to serve kids.
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That was yeah that there was a piece of my life.
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As I had a baby at home and they put me in, they assign me to the
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nursery. So I got crying babies at
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church. I got a crying baby at home and
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I didn't want to serve the kids because I wanted to, I wanted
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to, I wanted to serve a large group of adults.
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I was in a very large Church. So I thought, man, if I'm going
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to use my life, I want to serve a large group of adults and what
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God did through the children's ministry, which is another
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element of discovering your call.
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Is he had to deal with a lot of pride in my life of who are you
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serving exactly at, are you serving me?
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God would say, are you serving your own desires?
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And I have to say that some of the most fruitful Ministry,
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besides pastoring, this church here, some of the most fruitful
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Ministry in my life was serving those.
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Kids. Yeah, I learned so much about
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love and care and ministering to kids who don't care if you know
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the Greek or the Hebrew, they don't they're not impressed if
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you drop a new theological term on them, but they really are
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impressed when you care about them and love them and serve
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them and their parents and their grandparents and clean up their
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messes. And all of the things that both
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physically and spiritually, I really do by the, as a side
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note, just like, in everyday life, I was talking.
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You the couple that is has taken over our children's ministry
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recently and I've got these ideas for retooling, how we
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minister to kids here? And as I was talking to them, in
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my office, we were having such a great time brainstorming and
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dreaming and what could God do. And then I looked at them and I
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said, man, if I could do this, I would do it.
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I would, if I had the time, I would love to be in the position
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you guys are in right now, because I think this, This is
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the pivot so much at least for our church.
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There's going to be a major pivot coming that I don't know
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how exactly we're going to get there but a major pivot coming
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on how we minister to kids and their parents through our
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children's ministry. But all that to say is I was
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shocked, as it just came out. It's like man, this desire
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within me was like, man, I would love to have a full-time
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commitment to the children's ministry be and with this new
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project because it's going to require a lot of A lot of the
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dependence and leaning on the Lord and lot of mistakes are
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going to be made, trying to determine how can we equip the
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parents and the kids. But children's ministry was one
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way, just do it. So I think the piece about
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children's ministry that I think is relevant to our discussion.
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Today is just this, you need to be obedient to the leaders that
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got put in your life and that will help you discover your
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calling. Yeah, that's right.
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It's fascinating to look back over the years and just see how
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How God has used different involvement to lay a preparation
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for future use? I know that for myself it when I
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was in high school before, I was even a believer, I was very
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quiet. Didn't talk much, my girlfriend
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was now my wife. She talked all the time.
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So I didn't have to talk and as soon as she said, one time, how
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come you don't say anything? And I said well, I'm going to
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open this way. You doing a fine job but after I
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accepted the Lord, there was a time when the Holy Spirit just
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spoke to my heart and said, Bob you need to get consciously
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involved. You need to step up and I found
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myself because of circumstances having to get a sales job
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selling shoes, in Springfield, Oregon, logger boots of all
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things. And so I had to interact with
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people. If it was like the Lord, you Use
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those things. I even sold cars for 5 months.
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I mean who would buy a car from me?
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So, but I look back and I see, you know, Ethan the the mundane
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things and I sold insurance for a while as well, starve to
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death. But those those things God uses
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to pull you out, God uses to prepare you for his use later on
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and I had no idea that be pastoring a church.
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Store teaching the Bible all the time and and being in front of
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people, I've never met before larger group smaller groups, and
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I'm just such a different person now than I was back then because
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of those preparation times that Seasons, that God puts you in,
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to develop what he wants for later on, that would add to
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another layer of fulfilling your call and moving forward.
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And in that is faithfulness, Faithfulness where you are?
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I think we have we have all most of us have been sidetracked over
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the years, looking ahead to something that we don't have
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wanting it, maybe even coveting, coveting, Ministry, coveting
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position, coveting. Something else somebody is what
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someone else has or what someone else is doing.
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Social media is blown that completely out of proportion.
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When you read, or when you, when you're scrolling through,
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someone's Light real, nobody, you know, when you're posting a
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picture on Instagram or whatever, your, you're always
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showing a full room, nobody showing the room, when five
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people show up, or when there's a church split, or you just had
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that hard meeting with leadership, and they got mad at
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you and and left and slam the door and broke the window or
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nobody's posting. That kind of stuff.
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I don't think we should, but my point is that, when there's a
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and somebody says, Ed, do they really close slam the door and
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break the window? Yes.
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Yes, that happens. But it's Ministry can be super
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hard and people get really mad and they just at any rate and
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different, another topic for another time.
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But the, when you reading someone's highlight reel, and
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you go, oh, look at me, or look at what I don't have and you
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miss the fact. Don't know know what you have is
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from the Lord and those. Yeah, I was thinking of that
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even we're finishing up Easter here.
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A few weeks ago when we're recording this.
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It's pretty close to Easter but it's when it drops its going to
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be a couple weeks from Easter. And and I felt the need because
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the Easter is like, so what we call Resurrection weekend, it's
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a pastor's dream because you're adding Services.
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The place is packed. The build properties, full of
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life and that can get to a pastor's head.
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The number one, those that study these things.
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The number one weekend, our Sunday of attendance is Easter.
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And then the the least attended week is week After Easter week
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after. Yeah.
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And I believe that's because the we as Leaders we have to have a
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dose of reality and it's not about the numbers or what
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someone else is doing. It's about what's in front of us
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and you know, it's required in a steward Paul said in First
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Corinthians to be found faithful and it's some of you guys listen
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to us right now you just have to trust us, is your early on, you
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don't like what you're doing. You don't like the guy you're
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working for. You don't like the city.
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You live in you don't like you can you could list out all the
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things that are frustrating. You rubbing you the wrong way.
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But I assure you in the Lord five years from now 10 years
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from now. If the Lord doesn't come back,
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you're going to look back and you go, oh, oh, I learned this
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in that season and I learned that in this season and I'm
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like, what why did I make such a big deal?
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But why did I waste my time or? And because I can look back.
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I was just in a one simple thing, Bob thinking about my
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calling. Now, I met.
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I was greeting this week. And I met a young lady who's a
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police dispatcher for the Aurora PD here in Colorado, and we're
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just talking about life and how hard it can be to dispatch and
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how stressful it is very stressful job.
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I dispatch I was a dispatcher for many many years and I just
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encouraged her. It was real quick and I said,
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but you know what God has you doing right now?
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You have no idea what he's training you and how he's
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preparing you for what's up ahead because the one thing I
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learned of all the things that I learned but one thing It comes
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to mind is how how every day I would have to answer.
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I don't know, 50, 100, I don't even know how many phone calls
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150 calls a day and I would have to learn how to take control
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that get the information I needed.
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Calm the person down, get them in a place where they could
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receive any instructions that I have and then get somebody to go
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help them, you know, all in the span of, I don't know, minute or
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two. I mean quick.
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Yeah. And that was, and I didn't and I
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didn't like that job at all. I despised it I felt like I
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needed to be somewhere else. But, you know, God said, this is
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why I want you to add and and used, you learn what you got to
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learn here and then I'll show you later what I'm going to use
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all that for, and I think that's in it.
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That's really important. What you shared?
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No II. Just I see that and I mean, who
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could put that together. There are the Lord hides it on
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purpose because he doesn't, he he just wants us to go through
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the Training, its boot camp and what there's so many things we
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go through that. We don't like, we don't
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understand why am I in this discipline and we always see the
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negative or we want the Comfort. We want the convenience and it's
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not there and the Lord is just trying to train us what bring
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his army were called Were Soldiers.
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We have the armor of God for a battle and we have to go through
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that training or it won't end up well with, for us, I The, I like
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that basic training picture because it's hard.
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It's challenging. And I think every season is
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Pastor Chuck taught us, you know, everything we're going
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through today is in preparation for what's up ahead?
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That Never Ends. We don't arrive with our
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document that says here we are. We graduated we graduated Bible
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College, we graduated Seminary which neither one of you you or
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me, can't come because we didn't do any of that.
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So we don't even have that document but it's ongoing.
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It doesn't end when you walk the stage.
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And receive your diploma life life is the school and God's
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teaching us through. So with that in mind Bob just a
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couple things as we wind down today just a real good
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conversation about maybe maybe the conversation kind of Twisted
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a little bit on a on a good pivot to say, hey look today
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God's doing something and it is fulfilling the call that he has
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upon your life. Like where you are right now is
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God's call upon your life and be faithful until he Gives further
00:23:16
Direction, but can you think of one or two things that would
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help a person listening? You know, if they were in the
00:23:22
conversation with us, can you think of one or two things that
00:23:25
would help them in the position that they're in right now?
00:23:30
Whether they like it or not, maybe you give one where you
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like it and you give another one, where you don't like it to
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be faithful. And to take that next step in
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fulfilling the call of God for their life.
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Well, I think that, if right now you're in a good season in your
00:23:44
life, be an observer to take a look at what's going on the fact
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that you haven't really deserved it, you haven't earned it, God's
00:23:56
blessings on your life are never earned.
00:24:00
They are distributions of his grace and there's something to
00:24:05
learn in times of abounding and there's something to learn.
00:24:09
Learn in times of being a base, and going through difficulties.
00:24:14
And many times, when you're going through difficulties, you
00:24:18
don't have the reasons that you demand, and you can't get them.
00:24:23
And you don't understand. And you can jump to conclusions,
00:24:26
which is like jumping off a cliff.
00:24:29
You don't, you don't have the answers.
00:24:31
So you're just waiting for more information and we don't like
00:24:36
the weight. We want things done and wrapped
00:24:38
up. And if you're in that situation
00:24:42
right now where you don't like where you are, you've been
00:24:45
praying for God to move you, you've been, you'll be some of
00:24:49
you married have even asked God to take your wife because you
00:24:55
just can't handle it anymore. And I just want you to know that
00:24:58
God is speaking to you. Saying, you're missing the point
00:25:04
and He will give you the grace and the wisdom and the strength
00:25:10
to not, just endure, but to see the core issue going on, that's
00:25:16
causing all of this behavior and Outburst.
00:25:20
The bottom bog. I pause here for a second.
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Like I sense maybe you can clarify for us but I sense like
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there was a prophetic word that you just shared and I want to
00:25:31
clarify it and maybe you can clarify what God just put on
00:25:34
your heart to say. But you Utes, you spoke of
00:25:37
someone listening that says that has this thought take my wife,
00:25:42
can you, elaborate is the Lord, Sharon is.
00:25:44
There something specific? The Lord is giving you?
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What came to mind? As I was just talking off the
00:25:51
top of my head and my aunt was a picture of a man who is secretly
00:25:57
in this car. Just asking God to take his wife
00:26:01
because he's so frustrated and he wants out well and he's at
00:26:05
the Become self. And the Lord is saying, listen,
00:26:08
you can do this in my strength but you're missing the real
00:26:14
issue, the real issue isn't the conflict, the issue is what's
00:26:20
going on deep inside of you and your wife in these are symptoms.
00:26:25
It's not the core issue. And so, I just want to encourage
00:26:29
you listening here. That ask the Lord to show you
00:26:35
behind. Behind the scenes behind the
00:26:37
curtain, what is the Rock and the shoe that's causing all the
00:26:41
angst? Well and I would say alongside
00:26:44
Bob if if you are listening right now, it could go husband
00:26:48
to wife, it could be wife to husband, but if that describes
00:26:52
you, especially as it relates to Leading and serving and life,
00:26:56
please ask for help, you know that God could enter like you
00:27:02
would invite Godlike, even listening to the podcast.
00:27:04
I think you're inviting. God into your life.
00:27:07
And now there's a prophetic word like there's a Rhema word for
00:27:11
you that describes a real place of frustration.
00:27:14
A real place of, I like that word angst.
00:27:16
I think that after the pandemic angst has been tremendously
00:27:22
increased Among Us for a variety of reasons.
00:27:25
And I think that with that, we're going to come to the end
00:27:29
of the podcast today. So we're going to end on that
00:27:31
note. And that note is a very powerful
00:27:33
one that there are crises that come from serving and they
00:27:38
include marriage crises and just add it.
00:27:42
Just the Lord giving a word for someone listening or many people
00:27:46
listening to this that, please ask for help because it doesn't
00:27:50
get better. If you continue down, like Bob
00:27:53
said, taking care of things in your flesh and on your own.
00:27:57
So we're going to pause now. Bob, thanks again for being with
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us. Sure, absolutely.
00:28:02
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