Let's admit it, submission is a tough subject. It goes against our own selfish ambitions and can be made even more difficult when abuse has been involved or when you are serving alongside bad leaders. Even though there are challenges, we need to learn to be submissive to God while choosing to be submissive to the leadership God has placed in our lives. Without submission, chaos, confusion, and disorder abound. In this episode Pastor Ed and Pastor Bob talk about the importance of submission. Where there is godly leadership that is to be matched with godly submission.
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Calvary Church, presents lead to serve a leadership podcast with
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Ed Taylor. Hey, welcome again.
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To another episode of the lead to serve podcast, we are
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actually in season number, for my name is Ed Taylor.
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I'm the pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora, been here
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since 1999 Aurora is in Colorado.
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We're Grateful to serve the community here, all throughout
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the, what they call the Denver metro area, but then beyond the
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walls of the church and Beyond the state.
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And part of that, is this podcast where we talk about
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Ministry together, we talk about.
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What's right now, I guess season for we've been discussing topics
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but under the banner of the post pandemic type environment.
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Last time, we talked about leading with a limp and I hope
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that was helpful for you because The reality of of serving and
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leading is that we all have a limp but that limp is a, is
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really a place where God uses really a tool that God uses to
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form us and fashion us to develop our character to remind
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us of our true identity. That every time that pain is
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pricked or that memory is brought back at reminds us of
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who we are in Christ. The work that he's doing us, not
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just The work but the transformative work is where
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conformed into the very image of Christ.
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And as we have on previous episodes with me, I would say in
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studio, but he's not in studio because he's up in the Northern
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Colorado, serving a church with pointman Ministries.
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But Pastor Bob Clay Camp is on the phone with me.
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Welcome again. Bob, it's great to be with you
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again. Is there still snow on the
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ground around you Bob? Just on the North?
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Side of houses and told me that I wasn't supposed to buy a house
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that pays North, because you can never get rid of the snow.
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Until May, how many times do you wake up in the morning?
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Bob, and say, you know, we're not in Arizona anymore.
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Oh yeah. Oh yeah. 35 years in Arizona.
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Not so much. No Downtown Phoenix.
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Well, today's topic with Bob is serving and supporting your
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pastors and leaders or the emphasis on a word that we
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value. You around here, and that's
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like-mindedness. How important it is to serve
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with like-mindedness. And we call this the lead to
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serve podcast because they're intertwined Jesus called us to
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be great servants. He himself is the example, Mark
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chapter 10 and verse 45. He came not to be served but to
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serve and give his life a ransom for others.
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And at the same time in our service were also leading by
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example. Well, we might be an Overseer in
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church. We might lead a small group, a
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pastor, an elder, maybe you have a place of leadership at work
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supervisor, but it doesn't matter if it's any place that
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you have is a position of leadership from the, from the
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posture of servanthood, as a mom or dad at home, even as a kid.
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Oh, you know, submitting to Mom and Dad.
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That's a position of servanthood, which also is a
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position of leadership now. Is a truth Bob then, I think in
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our modern day culture is hard for some to grasp and it's this
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God has appointed spiritual leadership in the local
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congregation. What do you thoughts about that?
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That's right. It's clear in the word
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especially in the New Testament as we're looking at.
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Since the book of Acts started, you've got leaders baptized with
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the Holy Spirit drawing upon the spirits.
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Lead and anointing. And there are times when leaders
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make wrong decisions. I mean, when Peter went up to
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Antioch and the whole thing happened, as Paul wrote about
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Paul had to confront Peter, even though Peter was one of the
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first 12 Apostles. And but he was had this group
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duplicity of affecting others by his choice.
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That wasn't By the spirit but was confusing.
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And, and contrary to the grace of God on the Gentiles, the
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appointment of spiritual leadership is and, you know, you
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you said something that took me off track and I think we'll just
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skip to it, right away, right at the beginning.
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I think it's it's a it's very good for us to talk about
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spiritual leaders will make mistakes.
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Why do you think, yes? Why do you think that there's an
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expectation or Maybe they have some thoughts on why there is
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such a great expectation that leaders won't make mistakes and
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that it's so shocking to people. When we do well, I think some of
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it is we want heroes in our life and and we put expectations
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because if I link myself with a hero then I'm empowered in that
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same way and suddenly it's partly our fault.
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Bye. Putting unrealistic expectations
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upon leaders. Taking a Truth where I'm just
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submit myself to those over you in the Lord, for the sake, of
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accountability, and all. But Paul says follow me as I
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follow Christ and so that that reality that God has ordained
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leadership and for the sake of Accountability for the sake of,
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making sure everything is taken care of order.
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But yet it's still, you know, it's sheep following sheets.
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Really, we're under Shepherds, but we're all sheep.
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And so there's going to be, there's going to be times when
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you may not agree with the method that that leader puts in
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place. It's not a doctrinal issue.
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It's a method issue and so it's against your method and your and
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you have elevated your method to be the one that is Anointed even
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by the Apostle Paul or something because he spoke King James, I
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mean, there's all kinds of stupid ideas but but you know,
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at the end of the day, There's so many different ways something
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can be carried out. Yeah.
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And so if God has put you under a leader, an elder, a pastor
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then serve, and just follow the method.
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Unless the method leads you into sin and then then you've got to
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make an appeal and try to reason.
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But at the end of the day, you need to follow God, rather than
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man but still it doesn't throw out the whole thing of
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submitting to leaders. Even though, They're weak
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because they're not Jesus, it's sheep.
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Bleating sheep. I like that phrase, without,
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that's the important concept of understanding that we have roles
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and responsibilities that are different.
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Some have more responsibility than others, which would be that
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God appointed leadership. However, were sheep.
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Following sheep were sheep serving with sheep.
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There's an equality Among Us that we all stand equal at the
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Cross of Christ, the difference with us.
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This is the authority that we might be.
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We might have been given by God or the position that we might
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have been given by God, I think of I think of the term Elder
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that's used in Scripture that we used synonymously with Pastor.
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You know, Paul would tell Timothy that Elders rule, well,
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they should be counted worthy of double honor.
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Peter said it in First Peter five submit yourself to your
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elders. So, there's a place of
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leadership and then a place of submission, I think the author
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to Hebrews was Paul at even though that's debatable.
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But Even in Hebrews. Remember this is a heavy one.
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Many people do not like this statement, but in Hebrews 13
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verse 17. It says obey those who rule over
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you and be submissive these are keys.
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This this is important as we're we're serving in a culture like
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it's never been before at least for Our Generation post.
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Pandemic issues the divisiveness that still exist that we need to
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keep at the Forefront of our serving that work.
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Code laboring together. Work.
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Oh, laboring together. Yeah, we all have a place and,
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and words like partnership teamwork.
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Collaborating, which is really col, a boring, but collaborating
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in serving together. And again, I think most of this
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conversation will be in the context of the church.
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But the reality is, is that we must share in like-mindedness as
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sheep. Following sheep sheep serving
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with sheep. Otherwise, the enemy will take
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advantage, there will be chaos, they'll be confusion, they'll be
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division will be clamoring for power and things that just God
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doesn't bless if we would learn to do the things God, blesses,
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the following the pattern of Jesus and avoid and even
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condemned the things that God doesn't bless.
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I think we'd see a lot more progress in in the church.
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So with that, tell me what you think before I give the biblical
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day. Venetian of like, - what comes
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to mind when you hear the word like-minded, actually what comes
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to mind is a troop in the armed forces where you've got.
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You've got a mission and everybody on the team has each
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other's back. It's like you have my six, it's
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a big statement and without that it was going to be friendly
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fire. I mean, you're going to shoot,
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you're going to shoot your wounded.
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You've got to trust the Lord that he has put that structure
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in place and the Holy Spirit wants to use that structure.
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Unless the leader goes in a way that sinful against God, that
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there's blatant sin that they're wanting you to carry out and
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that that's a whole nother issue, but you just can't make
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that your name thing. You've got to understand that
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that God is working with you as a team.
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Team and that team concept has to be continued and even though
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like we mentioned earlier, the method might be different than
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you would do it. Just trust the Lord, unless the
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Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build it.
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And so, just let the Lord, you know, use you as a team, be
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like-minded and say, you know what, let's just see what the
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Lord will do. Kind of a Minds me of Jonathan's
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armor bear when Jonathan wanted to go up in the hill.
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And and just You know defeat the enemy in a method that's all
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wouldn't abused. I love the team picture.
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I will use baseball as the example because that's my
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favorite sport. Everyone has a place on the
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field. Everyone has a responsibility,
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each and individual, but collaboratively there the team,
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nobody wins a game in baseball alone.
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No one hit, no one catch. No one pitch, no one managerial
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decision wins the game. It's a, it's a compilation.
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Ocean of all of that throughout the game in response even to
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what's happening on the other side of the, the, the opponent,
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you know, what happens to what the opponent does.
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But no one person wins everyone works together but if you don't,
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if you don't fulfill the role that you have that and you want
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to be another role, let's say you're the catcher.
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But you want to be the pitcher and you run to the mound.
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Now you have two pictures who's going to catch and who's going
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to hold. There's only one ball and
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there's a general. Rules that we follow, we're
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playing the game, baseball not football.
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So, there's the right equipment. I mean, it's a beautiful, I
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guess you could do a whole bible study on that, but I want to get
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into the biblical example. I just taught on this recently
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here at the church. It's part of our servants class.
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It's actually a chapter in one of the books that I wrote as
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well called Ordinary Servant learning how to support like and
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the value that we have here in like - it's very important, Hunt
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for us like - the Greek. It comes to us from treat two,
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Greek words, meaning equal, and soul.
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And you have the picture of unity Harmony and agreement
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activated by the same motives to have similar character.
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Jesus valued this, as he spent three years pouring in to the
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men and women around him. Paul.
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Absolutely valued this, as he poured in 2, Timothy and Titus
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and all those Peter valued it. It's a, it's an eternal
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principle. It's a new and Covenant
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principle. Because God is the same
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yesterday today and forever. However, in our culture
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like-mindedness is not valued very highly because I think it's
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either a misinterpreted or be it's misused.
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And the way it's misused is that leaders have a heavy hand and
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force Conformity on people forced them to to do this or to
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Be this or tooth, even think this sign - and they call that
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like-mindedness. Because if I can get you to
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agree, if I can get you to agree with me, then that's
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like-mindedness. But that's not like - at all.
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Like - is fostered in the environment of Freedom.
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It is a work of the holy spirit. It's something that that Paul
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would tell the Ephesians that were to strive to maintain the
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unity of the spirit in the bond of Peace.
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It's not something you can make up your either.
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It's kind of like, it's kind of like being tall.
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You either are or you're not, you can't make it up.
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If you're tall, you are, if you're not, you're not.
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And if like my Nana's, you either are or you're not and
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like my Nana's met and in not in a list of rules and regulations
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to follow, but in a mutual admiration of Jesus, a
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submission to the Holy Spirit and recognized Using.
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So, if you bring it down, there's a practical piece to
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that. And that is recognizing the god
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ordained roles that he has given to us in the church and
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operating in those roles in the spirit, in a spirit of love.
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Yes, you know, there's a difference between
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like-mindedness based in Freedom, and Grace, and
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like-mindedness, based in fear and intimidation, and there are
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like even in a family of five. They're can put his family in
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order because he threatens them if they get out of order and
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it's fear and intimidation and so outwardly, it looks like it's
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like minded but inwardly there's no relationship that's really
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been fostered. But actually an unhealthy fear
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and intimidation which carries over to other authority figures
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as the child gets older and it's abusive when when you rule by
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Intimidation and fear. And so it's not merely the
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outward like-mindedness but it's the like-mindedness of Soul.
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Like you had pointed out where you, you say, you know what, I'm
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I'm, I'm like-minded with the Lord, and I'm going with his
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order with his counsel with his instruction.
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And I'm going to do it from the heart.
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And not just because I'm afraid that if I step out of line, he's
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going to whack me if your fear is The wrong motivation, the
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fear of man as the wrong motivation both to be moved by.
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And to use I was looking up the word intimidation and it says to
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frighten an overall someone awwe to frighten and overall
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especially in order to make them do what one wants.
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Wow, and that making is not like - like - means that we generally
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agree about the Same thing. It doesn't imply that we agree
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about everything or we see everything.
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I die, that's impossible. There isn't anyone on the
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planet? Sometimes, we even disagree with
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ourselves, and how do we know that?
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Because we change our minds like, like, sometimes we don't
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even 100% agree with ourselves as we're growing and maturing
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but serving together. I mean, the place of a servant
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doesn't. There's no fear and
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intimidation. There's Unity Harmony agreement
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and submission. Mission is a hard word but
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submission is required to maintain Unity especially when
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we don't see something, right? I we don't choose to fight under
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mine too. You know, somehow push our own
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agenda but rather to learn to submit and surrender ourselves
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to the Lord, and then the Bible teaches that Mutual submission
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Among Us. It's so beautiful.
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So let's go with that. In mind to a familiar Passage.
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Zh in Exodus chapter 17 where they're attacked by the
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amalekites and things happen. Very, very rapidly here and let
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me just say, for the sake of those that might be listening in
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that have a Calvary Chapel background, that that's the
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family of churches were from the.
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This sense of Moses model of leadership has been used as a
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weapon against many Pastor LED And when you hear the word Moses
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motto, it's almost always a caricature of this passage of
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scripture or the thought process that Pastor Chuck taught us now.
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He to be fair. He used the phrase Moses model
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and so now it's been co-opted and used against it but the true
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and this is my position that leadership can be misused and
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mishandled Moses, you know, using Moses as a example or
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Paul. Or Titus or Jesus or any other
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senior leader that God has chosen throughout all of
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scriptures, misusing and leading in the flesh.
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At the, I don't doesn't matter what model it is.
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It's not the model of God. And, and because we're appealing
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to Moses is not because what you can't come to and go, well, you
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know, this is an old Covenant example, what you can say that.
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But at the same time, it is a universal.
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God is the same yesterday today and forever.
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So there's a universality This that we can draw out and let me
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be clear, whatever model of leadership is being used in your
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life, in your church, and buy you, it is never okay to hurt
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people. It's never okay.
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To abuse people. It's never okay, to say, I'm the
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only one I'm as, as one person once said, and I'm sure you've
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heard this, it is never okay. In the church to have leadership
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that's perceived or even called this guy said this publicly
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from, at a, at a conference, Hence from the microphone.
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That was recorded. It's probably somewhere on a
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recording but this pastor called his church, a benevolent
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dictatorship. That's not biblical.
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Yeah, I don't care if a pastor taught it, it's not biblical.
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It's the antithesis of servant leadership, but we've got about
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we've got a few minutes left. In Exodus 17, I want to address
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this because we see all these ingredients there.
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It's a seminal moment. In the leadership of Moses,
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there are attacked For the First Time The amalekites come against
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them. And in verse 8, he responds this
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is Exodus 17 Moses just said, hey Joshua go get some men and
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fight and tomorrow I'm going to go up to the top of the hill.
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And so what you see is God had a word.
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He gave it to Moses, Moses gave it to Joshua and Moses gave
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Direction and he said Joshua gets some men go fight.
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I'm going up to To the top of the hill.
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And here's leadership with a test for Joshua to submit and we
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can think of a lot of different responses.
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Joshua could have here. He could say, what do you mean
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you're going to go up to the High Country in the safe place
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and you're sending me down? Why don't you just come with me
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Moses? Why don't you go fight?
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And I'll go up to the hill and I don't know about you Bob, but I
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have heard that mine. I mean, I've actually felt that
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way at times. So let's be honest in that.
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But I've also heard it a lot where, you know, Moses doesn't
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give have time to explain anything, he doesn't have time,
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we don't know the whole conversation that's not reserved
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for us, but we do know what's been said and what's said is
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very quick, go do this and I'm going to do that and and they're
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very opposite things and the only, the only acceptable
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response is verse 10. Joshua did, as Moses said to him
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and over that in your Bibles. You could write submission.
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He did. Yeah.
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What he was told. Told to do, Moses told him to do
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something and he did it. So it reminded me Bob and maybe
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you can comment on this. I shared with the church in.
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This is an our servants class as well as share with the church.
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Is that it's a very important as you serve God in the context of
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teamwork and like-mindedness that you do, what you're asked
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to do and then secondly that you do what you're asked to do the
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way you are asked to do it. Have any thoughts on that?
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Well yeah, unless unless your leader says, you know, take care
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of this in the best way you can that's one thing.
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But if he says, I want you to, I want you to take care of this
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and I want you to take these three steps.
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The problem that comes to mind is confidence and an Unfaithful
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man is like a broken tooth or a foot out of joint.
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So, you know, the leader wants to accomplish something and
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maybe there's a particular Methadone his heart, for other
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reasons beside the particular method because of maybe it's a
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word of knowledge. Maybe it's something that has to
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be addressed. That's going to happen during
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those three steps of that particular method.
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And so, you just have to get the trust the Lord that, if the
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leaders given you, okay, I want you to deal with this, and I
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want you to take step one, step two, step two, step three in
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this order, then then do it, even though you got, hey, I've
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got a great idea. I don't care what he said.
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I think this is of the Lord and almost You're kind of
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undermining the overall plan of God that he wants to do.
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Yes. I think the reality of being
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able to say most of the time when you're challenged in
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like-mindedness, the best, if it's not sense.
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So let's be clear. Anytime there's abusive
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leadership. Do not submit to it, anytime
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they're sinful leadership. You're under no obligation to be
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in a place of abuse and hurt. So, let's be clear about that.
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Neither are you under? Any obligation whatsoever, 0 0 -
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0 whatever. We however I can emphasize this
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that if the direction is to do something sinful, the answer is
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always No period. Yeah.
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Something compromising always know.
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So I think I made some assumptions in stating this
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right from the get-go but there's no don't sit under any.
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You're not you can't be like-minded in the Lord with bad
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leadership or sinful leadership. So, let's clear that up.
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But generally with that exception, I think there's
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probably Other exceptions. If you're not given a lot, if
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you're given Direction like this, all I need you to get some
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men and go fight, then the only natural response from Joshua's
00:24:29
to go get some men and fight. And I think that although life
00:24:33
and death is not what we're dealing with daily.
00:24:37
What we are dealing with daily is the spiritual life and death
00:24:39
of people's lives, and the best response in serving generally
00:24:44
within one. Another where you, whether
00:24:46
you're at work and your supervisor tells you to do
00:24:48
something. NG the right response is not to
00:24:50
cop an attitude, it's just to do it.
00:24:52
That's why you're there just submit to it but you don't
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understand. And I'm doing everybody's work
00:24:57
right now. That's God's will for your life.
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Do the best that you can with what you have and don't cop an
00:25:03
attitude. It's not helpful in being used
00:25:06
of God, but since we're running out of time, let me go through
00:25:09
quickly here. Another thing I see in this
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about like-mindedness, that we don't even see how it was
00:25:15
developed. But but but Moses goes up to the
00:25:18
hill, his Hands are up. It's obvious that when his hands
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are up, it says Israel prevailed.
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When his hands went down, amalek prevailed.
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And then it says in verse 12, Moses hands, became heavy or
00:25:30
tired and then the very next thing is they Aaron and Hur took
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a stone put it under him Sat on it Aaron and Hur supported his
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hands. One on the other side and there
00:25:41
was Victory and one of the things I pulled I pulled out for
00:25:45
our congregation was this that one of the best tools that You
00:25:49
and I have in serving is the the tool of observation.
00:25:54
When you see something you can do something.
00:25:56
Yeah. If you don't pay attention, then
00:25:59
you won't see things. And when you don't see things,
00:26:02
you will do, far less for the kingdom, the more you see, just
00:26:05
like Bible study, isn't it? The more you observe, the
00:26:08
better, you will the faster in the more unique and the better,
00:26:13
you'll come to the conclusion, that one specific
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interpretation, that God has. So you have The applications
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like observations key so somehow they see this, they're watching
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it happen. They're attentive to Moses.
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Like we learn with diakon has to wait on tables.
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There are ten paying attention. They see this.
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They take care of it. Without being asked, they have
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such a caring concern. They don't say, give me the rod.
00:26:41
Now, I'm much younger than you, Moses or thousand different
00:26:45
things. They see it.
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They sit him down. And again, we use this this
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picture we, if he's sitting on, in his arms are up.
00:26:55
I don't think they grabbed him by the wrist to keep his arms
00:26:57
up. I think they took the position
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even lower than that to get right up under his arm with some
00:27:04
leverage right up in his armpit. Really, we call this the armpit
00:27:08
Ministry. We get right up in his armpits
00:27:11
and kept his arms up. And and by the way, his armpits
00:27:14
would have been really bad because there's no showers same
00:27:18
robe, Dusty desert. And really bad and and
00:27:22
like-mindedness would say, you know what?
00:27:24
I'm here to do whatever's needed to me, I want to make, I want to
00:27:27
serve Moses, I want to take, he doesn't need to ask me, I can
00:27:31
take care of him. I can support him because it's
00:27:34
not about me, and it's actually not about Moses.
00:27:36
It's about the Battle that's going on with Joshua and the
00:27:40
amalekites and we've got a couple minutes left.
00:27:43
What do you think Bob? Well, you know, as I'm thinking
00:27:46
about that one thing that stands out to me Is the first thing
00:27:50
they did is they had Moses sit down on a rock and to me what
00:27:57
that speaks of is rest because they don't hold him up standing
00:28:03
up but they put him on a rock and that rock.
00:28:08
Just I can't help but think that that rock is Christ even though
00:28:13
that has to deal with another issue but still it's they're
00:28:17
giving him rest. On the truth of God's word and
00:28:21
then they hold up his arms. So there's two actions really
00:28:24
that are done besides that. The first action really is
00:28:28
observation. Like you had said, but the neck
00:28:30
but the very next one is to have him sit on a rock and he's
00:28:35
resting on Iraq and renal resting on Christ.
00:28:39
Let's just say that on the word of God.
00:28:41
And then there is that lifting up of the hands, which testifies
00:28:46
of the prayer holding up the Rod of God and and appealing to the
00:28:53
throne of God for victory. That's so good.
00:28:56
And I resting upon Christ in the word.
00:29:01
We find our place of strength and together, and I think this
00:29:06
is where we have to close as we're out of time now.
00:29:08
But you've got Joshua doing what he needed to do.
00:29:12
Moses doing what he needed to do, Erin and her, doing what
00:29:15
they needed to do and collaboratively, and as a team,
00:29:19
Victory is won so much, so that God said, write it down.
00:29:23
I want you to remember that my men, I'm your banner.
00:29:26
The Lord is our banner and the the need for us to be
00:29:32
like-minded and I know it's hard.
00:29:34
As you guys have stuck with us to the end, I know it's hard.
00:29:38
I know it's challenging, I know that you're facing things,
00:29:41
you've never faced before, I know that it can be difficult,
00:29:44
even with people you're serving with but I know that in the Lord
00:29:48
resting on, His word arms up in prayer position of surrender.
00:29:53
God will use that in your life. So we're at the end.
00:29:58
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