On our episode today, we tackle the feelings of inadequacy that flood your mind when it comes to the heaviness of change and post-pandemic ministry. You might be feeling like, "man, I can't do this." One of the prevailing things of Barna's research in this post pandemic era in the church is that pastors Yes, but in particular, is people are quitting. They, they're just coming to the place where they are concluding "I can't do this". I can't do this. Maybe you feel inadequate to the challenge but there is encouragement awaiting you to steady on in the calling of God upon your life.
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This is Lisa serve with Ed Taylor a leadership podcast.
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Hey, welcome again, to the lead to serve podcast with Pastor Ed
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Taylor. I am Pastor Ed Taylor and I'm
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your host for the lead to serve podcast.
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I'm a pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora, Colorado, a
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Calvary Chapel, we came out in 1999.
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Nine just Murray and I and our three kiddos our youngest was in
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diapers when we moved out here and we really believe that God
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wanted to use us to after after a real difficult season going
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to, we were going to go to another city and God slam that
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door and very in a very strong Matic way.
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Humbled me and broke me as a man.
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I was going to head out to do great things for God and God
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said, I don't need you to do great things.
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Me, but I want to use you to do great things.
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And by the time we moved here to Aurora, we came more with a
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mindset of. We want to be a part of what God
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is doing. We want to be a part of the
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great thing God wants to do, rather than I'm going to do
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great things and it's a subtle distinction but it's a real one
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and I came a very different man and then through the process of
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the church here, God has really discipled me and mentor.
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Heard me and trained me and surrounding me with wonderful
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men. Like Pastor Bob Clay Camp.
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Pastor, Bob is part of season 4 where we're sitting across the
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table talking about different topics.
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Welcome again, Pastor Bob it's good to be here.
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Absolutely. Yeah it's good.
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It's good to hear your perspective and to hear what the
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Holy Spirit brings about on the topics.
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And I want you to let you know the response to our podcast has
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been very overwhelming and we're very grateful to connect with
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you. It is It's on scripted.
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If you if you're listening to the podcast to go you know those
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guys don't really script very much or you're right, we don't
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we I know that I even tried to script this one, to some degree,
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I mean we did pick some topics, but even as we're going through
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it, we're changing it up a little bit, but I don't want it
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to be scripted. I want you to be like, you're in
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a staff meeting is how we handle staff meetings here this, how we
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handle team meetings at Bob, and I were in our office and we had
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a topic to talk about this is how we would do it.
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I mean, without the introduction.
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Auctions. It was like, okay, Bob and I are
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talking a mile. We don't have all the
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introductions of course but we're just talking things out.
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Thinking things through open to the Holy Spirit and and
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hopefully it becomes a model for you in the team that you serve
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with where you can just talk things out.
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And and again, the only right answers are biblical.
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So you may have a different opinion on things.
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You may see things from a different perspective but that's
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where iron sharpens iron and and if we have two differing
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opinions, Let's make sure that we don't divide over if it's not
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essential, not a central Doctrine but also maybe we can
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learn from each other. Maybe there's a portion of your
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view, that's very valid. But there's also a portion of my
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view that's very valid. And then I would even say in
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humility if we're both if one of us is really wrong then we
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should admit it. We should repent and admit it
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and say, okay? You're right.
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Your point of view is actually better than mine or it's more
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accurate than mine and that's why I like podcasts because it
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takes It's a Biblical podcast more than anything pastors and
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teachers. Not just Bible study is
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powerful. That is but what it might have
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been like Jesus talking with the boys around the fire instructing
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them and this thing then argue about it and James and Dawn mad
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over there and in the doubt Thomas wondering, I don't know.
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I'm not sure, I'm not sure. You know, just this just talking
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about it and growing together because there is a joy of
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ministry and servanthood and that is the theme of my podcast.
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I want to talk about servanthood and Leadership, so he called
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lead to serve serve because if you learn how to be a good
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servant, you're going to lead. Well, if you don't know how to
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serve and you haven't learned how to be faithful with a little
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things. And if you haven't learned how
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to on some of these things that some of these topics, you know,
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learn from especially after seems like the theme, this is a
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post pandemic season. The pandemic, I'm referring to,
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if you're listening to this in the far future was 20 T21 and
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222, the podcast is hitting right after that, that we're
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processing, the newness of the church.
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And I'm super excited. Personally, I'm super excited
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about the future because it does not too many times.
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You know, in your life that God will give you a second chance
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not. And not after some disastrous
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sin or something where we always talk about second chances, like,
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well, he failed, but God will give me another chance.
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Yes, that's True. But what about when there was no
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failure involved at all and God's just rearranging things
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through the culture and you're like, oh now you get to step up
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to a whole new because I've been doing this twenty two years.
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You've been doing this 40 years, something like that.
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Almost since I got saved so many, many years.
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Yeah. And the reality of what's up
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ahead, it's it's a new generation and new people, New
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Opportunities, and we're not going to be able, How to reach a
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new generation using all of the old methodologies, and I know
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people who just rub up against that to those.
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I don't believe that. Well, then go ahead and start
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giving out cassette tapes. Again, that's a methodology you
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changed, you know. Go ahead.
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Go find somebody that sells them on, I don't think they make the
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Magnetic Tape anymore. I remember reading a company
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bought up. All the remaining magnetic tape
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of this one. There was only one company left
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for Seeing that tape and they bought it up.
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So that somehow in the future they think it's going to be
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worth stuff. You know if they bring back
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music or something and want that tinny you know on all of the
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vinyl yeah bring it back. Exactly.
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Yeah. So at any rate the that you're
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God's growing us and that's been the theme God's growing us.
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He's bringing us to change, really good communication.
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But then by now in episode 4, we're thinking maybe you're
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sitting there. If you're still with us I hope
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come back. Come back.
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But if you're still with us, you might be feeling like, man, I
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can't do this. I'm one of the prevailing things
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of Barna in these post, pandemic era in the church pastors.
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Yes. But in particular, is people are
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quitting. They, they're just coming to the
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place. I can't do this, I can't do
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this. So it goes both ways.
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You could be at the beginning, wanting to, step, up and go.
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No! I'm ready to embrace.
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I'm ready for this, but I don't feel like I can do this or
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you've been doing it for a while and you're like, I don't think I
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can do this. Any longer.
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And it reminds me of a word that maybe we don't use as often, but
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it reminds me of the word inadequate, where I feel
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inadequate to the challenge. I feel I want to serve, but I
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just don't think I am able. I don't think I can.
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I don't think God wants to use me.
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I don't think I can. You're talking about all this
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communication? And I have a hard time even
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communicating with my wife. And I have a hard time
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communicating with the guy at the supermarket.
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I don't I don't think I can do this.
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What are your initial thoughts on that bomb?
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Well, my initial thought is I agree.
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You can't do it. God brings us to places of an
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adequacy so that will really look to him for the dependency.
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I think feelings of inadequacy are somewhat normal because God
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always puts us in things, eventually that are way over our
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head way over our capacity, way over our learning base or as
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some say, way over our wheelhouse.
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But that's part of the process. I mean, from the disciples were
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called, they were completely taken out of Adequacy, and they
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were following Jesus and they had no idea what was going to
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happen from day to day. And I think that when you come
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into a time of you're really feeling inadequate in what
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you're doing, then it's time to take a step back and talk to a
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brother or sister and say could you let me know what you see
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seems to be fruitful in my life. Life.
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I think having that Council a brother or sister speaking
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truth, speaking Godly affirmation into your life not
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to flatter you flattery and godly affirmation are two
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opposite ends of the spectrum but Godly affirmation is
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biblical, we see Paul doing it with Timothy.
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We see him doing it with Philemon and sometimes we think
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well, they'll lose their reward. Well, you're missing the
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Foundational principle underneath it, that Godly
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information is used by God. As it's a word of encouragement,
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exhortation is part of that and I think, when you, when you come
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into that feeling of inadequacy, then you have to stop and go to
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Jesus directly in your relationship with him and you
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have to be honest and say, what are you expecting of me?
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And I think foundationally what you will hear him say is, I'm
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not expecting anything other than obedience and walking with
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me because we get so performance-oriented in our
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performance starts failing, or we look at the effects of what
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we're doing and it's not producing what we had hoped and
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we begin to look at other leaders or other people doing
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the same thing. We were doing and look how
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successful they are and look, you know, you're a has-been and
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you never were and and it just it's a, it's a corkscrew down
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into the ground. And Satan is using it, Satan's
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the one that's pulling the trigger on.
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I'm reminded of the phrase sometimes, these cliches, they
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get dismissed as cliches. But what I've learned is cliches
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actually are a great way to remember profound truths.
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And one of the cliches that I remember that has been taught to
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us and I embrace is that God doesn't call the equipped.
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He equips the called. And that that means like you
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said, what you? And I when you and I step into
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anything, we are inadequate for the task because we don't even
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know what the task. Is yet until we step into it and
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it requires us to be abiding in Christ trusting in Him.
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I mean, one of the one of the very first Bible verse, I was
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actually two verses that I memorized little.
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What I know it would be my biggest problem.
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The rest of my Christian Life, I was brother somebody suggested,
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maybe Pastor Jeff. I don't remember who suggested
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that. I memorized this they told me
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memorization is important. You should memorize this.
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And and so I did Proverbs chapter 3 verses 5 and 6.
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Almost every believer in our church that they know it or the
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memorized it it's a common one trust in the Lord, with all your
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heart and lean not on your own understanding, acknowledge Him
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in all your ways, and he will direct your paths.
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That's not a new believer verse. It's not someone that's one year
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old in the lord. It's a life verse.
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Mmm. So that when we're walking into
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something I would if you feel adequate for the task, that may
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be a danger, that may be a red flag.
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That that may be something. We're all.
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I have a look at my schedule today or even today.
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We schedule podcast recording. Oh, I've done that before.
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I could do it again. What there is something to be
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said about experience? But whatever, we're going to do
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on this podcast. I What it's going to be yet and
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I just need the Lord to show up. We want, we're not doing this
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just to do it or not investing all this time, just so we can
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record something. We really want to be used of God
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and if we step into this in a utilitarian way and say, well,
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you know, I probably done podcast before I've always do
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it. Know what?
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No, we don't know what the Lord's wants to do and I can't
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trust him. I know understanding.
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Yeah. When when we were set to move
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into Exeter England, to take that church, I Figured, you
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know, I pastored for 29 years. I know what I'm doing and and,
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you know, I can be a real help. And so I get there and, and at
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first, you know, it's all different, it's all new
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different culture. They're getting used to you,
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they like hearing your English, your American accent and just as
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much as you like, hearing their English accent and, and it's
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all, you know, the honeymoon period and then, and then you
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start running into cultural differences.
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And in your mind, you're going, oh well, just get over it, you
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know, you can You can get through this, you know, you
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passed your language there and then and then it wasn't quite
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working out that way. And and then it was the reality
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that wait a minute, I know what I'm doing.
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And then after three years, I think, That was a real crisis
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point. I came to a crisis point where
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the feelings of inadequacy in even casting a vision to a
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people, in a different culture were failures and it brought me
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of a so, Broken by the whole thing that I even wrote a letter
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of resignation. I mean, I've never done that.
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I never done that. I've thought about it, you know,
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but I've never done actually done it and And then I remember
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like the Holy Spirit speaking to me on a walking down the street
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into City Center, it's going. Okay.
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So what's that look like when you come back?
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I mean people are going to say how can we came back and you go?
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Well, do you know, I got mad at this person.
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I couldn't stand it. And I mean, it's like, come on
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now put on your big-boy trousers.
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And, and, and let's do this, you know, if I've called you here,
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and I haven't called you to leave.
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You have no business going. So, You know, buckle up
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buttercup, let's get going forward, you know, ones, and
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that, then we kind of pulled out of that.
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Well, I think there, you also mentioned the necessity of
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submission. When you say, when you use
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phrases like, put your big-boy trousers on or buckle up
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buttercup, those are phrases that remind me of submission to
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the call. And remember that God placed you
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there and it's going to be hard. And you're going to have these
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seasons of feeling inadequate but God.
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I placed you there, he called you there, he led you there and
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I know when we step into things, we can be so overwhelmed by it.
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All it's overwhelming, its unpredictable.
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You had a certain set of expectations when you went to
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England. It had a certain set of
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expectations when I moved here to Colorado and it didn't take
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long for God to shatter those expectations because he wants us
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to come with a Clear Vision of him.
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He wants us to trust him the church planting pastoring.
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Eating serving is all about him, it's him.
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First, we love God. Lord God with all our heart,
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soul and mind, that's first. And then we love our neighbor
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with ourselves. And as I'm listening to you, I'm
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just reminded of all the times I have failed because I have
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forgotten it on purpose or on accident, you know, a
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like-for-like on purpose or just by way of life that my
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relationship was with singularly with God.
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And I have to have my vertical Your relationship with the Lord
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intact continually abiding in him so that in my horizontal
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Adventures, I can represent him well and represent his love and
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even the feeling of inadequacy, as you say is a true statement,
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it is a true feeling, the word inadequacy is to lack ability, a
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lack of ability. That's really the essence of the
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definition of that word. And when it comes to serving God
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and it comes to serving his people, we all lack a
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fundamental. Mental ability that God will
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give us in the moment. God will give us over time.
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He will train us. I think of what Jesus did three
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years. It took three years and even
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look at the end product, the end product was still very that.
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Toward the end of his ministry was still very challenging until
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when they receive the holy spirit.
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Amen. And even in our discussion, we
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even thus far in our podcast if we don't factor in the The power
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and the presence of the holy spirit in all this.
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And we just think, well, it's just all about me and I'm
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inadequate. And I am not able and I'm such a
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failure and I make so many mistakes and my head.
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So jacked up and hide. If it's all about me, then we're
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going to stay stuck in a place where people will get hurt by
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our ministry. Yeah, because God wants
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spiritual things to be done by spiritual men and women through
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the power of the spirit. Yeah, I mean, there is a portion
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of Grace that will be distributed.
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In Proverbs that says he, that finds a wife finds a good thing,
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and obtains favor of the Lord, and the word favor is akin to
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the word grace. And so in talking with couples
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before they're married, you go, well, how are we going to
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navigate this? Well, here's the thing.
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Once you say I do before the Lord and it's legal in the
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state, there is a portion of Grace that goes there to the
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husband and wife, that was not Needed before and even in going
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around to other churches. And and meeting this pastor that
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he tells me his story, he got thrown into it, he was just the
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Elder in the church and all the sudden the pastor phoned him on
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furlough and said, I'm not coming back you tag.
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You're it now sudden he's thrown into this.
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He says, I don't know what to do.
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I have no idea. I'm going to look if you're in
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this position. Now, God has given you Grace for
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the Addition or that let's say you have a family with three
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kids and the husband gets killed in car accident and all the
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sudden, the Widow is now having to raise these three kids on her
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own and I've had situations similar to this, come into my
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office, and you go, what do I do?
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What do I do? What do I do?
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And you guys, let's stop right now and consider these
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realities. The first of all, God knew this
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was going to take place and he has Grace for you that you
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didn't need. Before and so you have to stop
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looking at what you don't have and start focusing on what you
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do have because and then you take it day by day.
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Because today is the only day. Let's go back.
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We have a few minutes left on this episode.
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Let's go back and capitalize on what you said that brother that
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you described Elder. I was just thrown into it and I
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don't know what to do on a practical level Bob, I would
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tell a man like that in all the things there's a I'm not going
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to address all the things of taking over a church or
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leadership or whatever. Any of that because even within
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churches leaders, the leader of a ministry will leave.
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And then what you're here? Do you want to lead?
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You'll surely die, love this ministry but then they find out
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leading is a very different thing than what the position of
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servanthood they had in. And so what happens in the you
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kind of said it tongue and cheek of whether it was a direct quote
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or not, but I have heard it before is as I don't know what
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to do on a practical level. If you are a person right now,
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listening to me that have been thrust into, I wouldn't say
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thrown into Sovereign, Lee put Into placed in called to be in a
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position. Even if it's temporary, step
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number one is, do not Champion the truth that you don't know
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what to do. Don't make that your identity
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because I think we could all do that.
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I don't know what to do. What are you gonna do that
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today? Ed you you're going to get a
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phone call for clock is going to be.
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I don't I don't know but I'm not going to walk around all the I
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don't know what to do. What are you doing?
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I don't know. I don't know.
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I don't know and almost like you're My identity.
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But rather rather do what you know to do start with what you
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have. Don't despise the day of small
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things, there is an obvious reason why you were in this case
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and the Elder. So continue to that role in
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Elder as you add more responsibility and be a man of
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prayer and and take into yourself.
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The truth that God is with you. He has LED you to this place?
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He will be with you and jock going back to Joshua 3 as we
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spoke in another episode. What did God?
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Tell hit Joshua in chapter 1. Don't Be Afraid.
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Don't Be Afraid. Don't be afraid.
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It's almost as if God deals with Joshua.
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I know you have no idea where you be, you're going to be fine.
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Yeah, trust me. Yeah, look to me and that's what
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the pattern is. By the time we get to chapter 3
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and I'm reminded whether it's a Elder, taken over a church or
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someone taking over a Ministry or thinking of a blended family.
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Now Coming up parent or again a new promotion at work look,
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every believer has been called by God to serve him to have a
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lifestyle of service. And we God has already dealt
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with God has already dealt with the issue of your foolishness.
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It's Bibble, he wrote it down. Is what he said for.
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You see your calling Brethren, how that not many wise Sighs.
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Not many mighty, not many noble for God has chosen the foolish
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things of the world. It's too bad people get offended
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by that. But like you said at the
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beginning, the first thing is to acknowledge is you are
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inadequate. You need the ability and the
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power and the presence of the Holy Spirit as we've been taught
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Zechariah Chapter 4. It's not by might, and it's not
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by power, but it's by my spirit, saith, the Lord Sara Bell.
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You can't do this. You're right.
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But it's not about you, right? I'm going to use you and and
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Paul would go on to say in that same scripture First Corinthians
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chapter 1, he God has chosen the weak things of the world to put
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to shame the things that are Mighty the base things, the
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things wouldn't that are not to bring to nothing the things that
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are so that no flesh could glory in his presence.
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It's really important that you embrace the calling of God over
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and above your inability. Ability, and inadequacy.
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Yes, because if we're doing ministry, right?
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We're doing life right in the Lord.
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We're always going to be inadequate to the next thing for
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going glory to glory and strength to strength, then the
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next step of Faith, the next opportunity.
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The next difficulty were always going to be.
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So I guess the summary of our time today, would simply be were
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yes, you're inadequate. And you always will be.
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Yeah, amen. And the Lord will help you along
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the way. You will strengthen you.
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But I would say, even if he even meeting you, like, set your at
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the table with us, I just say please don't make it your
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identity. Nobody wants to know how
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foolish. You are, how inadequate you are,
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that people don't follow that. Actually they like, you know, I
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I tell guys that are teaching for the first time they come
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into a Pulpit. It doesn't matter if it's
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Church, Pulpit, home, Bible study.
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I tell them this is one of my pet peeves, probably, because I
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did it myself. And, and I know it didn't help
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me. Communicate the gospel they'll
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go in and go. Oh, I've never done this before.
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I just don't know. I hope I do a good job.
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I'm going to try my best. I put my notes together.
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I was who cares. Nobody cares about what you're
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going through is you enter into the pulpit that's holy and set
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apart. For God, this isn't about you.
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So go in with all your fears, you're going to have.
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I'm not saying don't have them, you're going to go in you all of
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that is true, but when you get into the pulpit, the words to
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start with is let's open our Bibles.
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Yeah, this This time I got you my time in the Pulpit is is to
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bring glory to God. It's not for you to feel bad for
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me. And then by the and by the way,
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most people aren't going to feel bad about you, they're going to
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go what in the world were you doing in there?
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What do you have to? Why are you there?
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If you don't know what you're talking about, I'm gonna check
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out and play Angry Birds while you're teaching you like, I like
00:24:55
you, you're already knew. It's already a new thing.
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It's already a new episode. It's something that you've never
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done before. That's okay.
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Nobody. Needs.
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Nobody needs to know. Well, it just reminds me of a
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lie who when he came to job, and he spent like a whole chapter
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saying, well, you know, I really shouldn't be here and, you know,
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I just waited and I tried to find.
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I mean, it's like, come on, dude.
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Just tell me what you want to say that go.
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