Building on the topic of Embracing Change in episode 3, Pastor Ed Taylor and Pastor Bob Claycamp talk about the importance of clearly communicting through change. Since change is inevitable and it happens all the time, as leaders we must clearly communicate through the changes. So much chaos and uncertainty surrounds change and clear, concise, and focused communication helps maintain the unity and get the team to the desired goal.
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Here's Ed Taylor with today's episode of lead to serve a
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leadership podcast, welcome again to this edition of the
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lead to serve podcast, we're in season number four and this is
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episode number three and lead to serve is a Ministry of here of
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Calvary Church and Aurora. Colorado.
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My name is Ed Taylor. I am the pastor here been here.
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For 22 years serving the community and enjoying what God
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has chosen to do here. And part of our ministry, here
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is a resourcing church because we are a resourcing church is to
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provide opportunities like this is one of my passions.
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I love Ministry, I love serving, I love being available to
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encourage and to string I have a couple of books actually that we
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put out one is for the entry-level, servanthood we
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call. The title of that book is
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Ordinary Servant. I forgotten the title, but we
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have an updated version and it's really a compilation of what we
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call our servants class here, where anyone that serving needs
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to go through the servants class, they can read ordinary
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servant servant. So, I just got a picture today.
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Somebody using Ordinary Servant to disciple their youth group,
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and it's a great, it's simple. Everything here is simple, that
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that's one of the big complaints.
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We get here everything. So Simple.
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But I never understood, I never really understand why people
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want me to make it. So complicated for him, I want
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to take the complicated and make it simple.
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There are theologians and other people that can take the simple
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and make it complicated. I'll leave it to them, but to
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hear that, even that book is being used to disciple high
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schoolers in Virginia is very encouraging to me.
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And I also, we also compiled a more as a team effort as well.
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Another book called, sure, and steady.
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And that is a compilation of Of input and insight on how to
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serve pastorally Elder but it's very applicable.
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We're going to go through it as a staff here, probably beginning
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in a couple weeks and the whole staff.
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Everyone that's on staff here is going to go through it and we're
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going to talk about principles and it's not anything
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earth-shattering, but things like being on time or keeping
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your word or respond to your email, those kind of things.
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But you'd be surprised how How many churches primarily to I
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deal with its the world in general.
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But churches, don't respond to email, they don't return their
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phone calls and we want to train people to do it, right?
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I mean, if we get the simple, the simple things, right?
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Then we'll be ready for the hard things, but if you can't be
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faithful, and what's little Jesus said, even what's little
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be taken away from you and given to who the faithful one.
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And of course you heard Pastor Bob is with us, he's going to be
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with us as many episodes as we can here in For welcome again.
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Pastor bomb, that's good. Good to be here.
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Absolutely. Bob Clay Camp.
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He's a pastor here on our team, but he's also a pastor with
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bullying and Ministries. He was also a pastor pastor and
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Exeter England. He was a pastor in North Phoenix
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and comes to us with just a humble heart, humble servant of
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the Lord, with a lot of experience, a lot of mistakes
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that he's made and learned from a lot of successes that we get
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to glean from. And, and in different, Spective
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than what we need. And the whole idea of podcasting
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is to have a discussion and most of the time because of my
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schedule and everything, I just kind of do it alone because
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that's the only way I've been able to produce it.
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I don't have typically have the time to invest with my schedule
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setting up and arranging guests and stuff.
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It's just been super hard. But this one, I just decided
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we're going to do it because Bob the feedback on the couple
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episodes we did in season 3. I mean it was probably got more
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feedback on that besides you and I did together than any of the
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upper. So I'm like, well, we should
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probably just do it that way then and see how season for
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comes and led, let's just have free-flowing unscripted
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discussions. Like we do when we're talking to
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my office or after service, right?
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Right. So it'll be raw.
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Don't be discouraged if it's raw and it doesn't sound all
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scripted and we go off on tangents.
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That's okay, that's how we learn.
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And that's how we grow. And so, I want to remind you
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that we are also open to your questions, your feedback, how
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can it be better? And by the way, Way, one of the
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number-one feedback on the podcast is have guests, that's
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what people want, they want discussion.
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And I have a lot of friends to do this with and I probably will
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figure out a way in my schedule to do with guests, more
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frequently in different guests in the future.
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And so, were responding to probably the number-one
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feedback. It would be great to have.
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I love it. When you're talking to someone,
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I love it. And I'm like, okay, let's so
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let's do it. And we're going to try for the
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most of this season for to have Pastor Bob with And just talk
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about different things. Unscripted.
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So give us your feedback. If you have topics we wanted you
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want us to tackle. Send us your topics email.
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Me directly, Ed Ed, Ed Taylor dot o--?
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Let's talk about it. I'd love to talk to you.
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Maybe there's an area of in a Ministry that God wants to do,
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but I don't, I don't understand and this is not the topic of our
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podcast, but just I don't understand why people knock
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things that are, they've give bad reviews four-star.
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Of to stumble other people. I don't understand it.
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And I just and I mean it's not understandable, but I hate that
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church. Well, I mean, if they're
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teaching the word and they are passionate, they're worshiping
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Christ. But you don't like it.
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What do we care? If you don't like it.
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Like, don't why are you going to stumble?
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That might be the best church for that new believing family
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that might be the best place and you can just take all your cares
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and concerns to the Lord but You know, that's just an opinion,
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you could take it or leave it but if you have a good review,
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leave it, how's that? But today, I want to build a
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little bit on our last episode where we were talking not too
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long ago, about change and embracing change, and it
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reminded me and it's kind of a both.
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We also talked a little bit about a communication but I want
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to talk a little bit about communicating through change how
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important it is for us, that That lead to communicate through
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change and then if you're in a subordinate position or a
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servant position or a support position to help communicate
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through change, one of the things we did dear Bob and I
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think you were in that meeting. Were you in that first meeting,
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we pulled the Whiteboard out and said, we don't know what's
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happening and we just I was home.
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You are home because of what happened because you told me not
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to come lll because you were high risk yelled at by her is we
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could have we should have. Did we try?
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We try to put you on. Her something right.
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I'll call ya on speakerphone. That didn't work well.
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Well, you know, that's a, that's a really good reminder, because
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I was really scared that people will get her.
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I didn't know what we use. I was super scary.
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I didn't, I didn't know. I would, I did not want to be
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responsible for anybody dying. I got that.
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I remember that now. So the one that we did try to
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dial you in. I remember that it didn't work
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very well, but we pulled the Whiteboard out and we started
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talking about all our feelings, all of our issues.
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What is it going to be? Like, we don't know.
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We never been through this before.
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And the number one thing that came out of that whiteboard
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exercise of us all giving our input in our ideas and
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everything was the phrase, One Voice, One Voice something.
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We've never had before that phrase, we've had the principle
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of it, we operate that way and the way that we would describe
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it in previous times as like-mindedness, that we all say
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the same thing, right? Doesn't the Bible there's an
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Auction, even Paul, who was he writing to her?
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He said say this same thing, he said to I'm looking it up right
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now to get down. Where was it?
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I thought it was same thing. I have to look it up later but
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it was that phrase say the same thing.
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Make sure that you guys are like minded and And with that, we
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then saw during crisis that it was very important that whatever
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comes out from us as a leadership team.
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Whether Bob says it, whether Ed says it whether ever it says it.
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Anyone on our team, we have to say the same thing because
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things were already confusing. Already difficult already hard
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already unpredictable. And if now, the leadership isn't
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saying the same thing is Isn't communicating the same thing.
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Then we are going to be unable to lead.
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We're going to be a unable to, we're going to make things worse
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than better. Yeah, at least a confusion that,
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you know, who do I believe, and wait a minute.
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They said this. And, and you said that.
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So, you know what's, right? And we just be will be
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constantly on our heels solving problems that we made worse
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instead of all being in the same place.
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But And by the way, the I found the scripture, it's not say the
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same thing in the new King James.
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It's speak the same thing. First Corinthians chapter 1, I
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plea in an in the midst of division sectarianism he says,
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now I plead with you Brethren by the name of our Lord Jesus
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Christ that you all speak the same thing and that there be no
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divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together
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in the same mind and in the same judgment.
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Yeah. And the Holy Spirit really gave
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us that phrase that X, the scriptures that we all.
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Because even as we say, the same thing and have a the same one
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voice that didn't mean that, we all agreed with everything, it
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didn't mean that we all agreed with all of the changes.
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All the decisions. It didn't mean that everyone was
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100% on board or if they were in charge, they do it together.
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I'm they do it differently. But it did mean that our
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differences would be laid aside and we can retain our all of our
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drug. Different opinions.
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Here we have a very diverse staff young and old different
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perspectives, different backgrounds, different, passions
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and different opinions on different ways, of looking at
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things, that's all great. Fantastic makes for lively.
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Conversations makes for lively staff meetings and it makes for
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a dynamic church. It's a beautiful thing.
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It's it can be tiring and hard sometimes but it's not the kind
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of division where my views more better than your view or like we
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listen to one another. We respect one another, we value
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one another, and then when it comes down, And a decision is
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made. And we all supported.
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I mean, obviously if it's a simple decision, we're not going
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to support it if it's an unbiblical decision, but
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preferences and that's one of the things that God gave us
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during the pandemic, was this inference, this emphasis on
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showing preference to one another, that was a big deal,
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but we'll get to that later. But one voice that one voice
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meant that on all of us, lay leaders staff members, we happen
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as a church. I know many people listening in
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may not be at a church where they have paid.
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Staff. There was a time.
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We don't have paid staff either but we have paid staff here.
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So when you hear paid staff, forgive me.
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It could just mean your team. I actually like the word team
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better because it doesn't matter if we're getting paid for this
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or not. We're all in the same team.
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So it on your team that one voice is important, and that one
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voice can't be compromising. You can't give lip service in
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the staff meeting and then go have a different thing and try
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to undermine out. We all have to be agreeing
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because God's going to get us through this but not divisive
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and I thought you had talked about in a previous episode.
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Communicating that communication piece of change.
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Can you revisit that in the light of change in one voice and
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what are your thoughts on good? Communication.
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Well, I think that when the Lord starts stirring in our hearts,
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if you're in a leadership capacity of any kind, whether
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you're over your home or whether it's a work, or whether you're
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in the ministry, there are times when God is stirring your heart
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to a particular direction, particular New Vision and it's
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important for those who are looking to you for leadership,
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what whether you're in the home or whatever to give them.
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Her tunity to to process the new steps and, and even being a bit
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vulnerable. As you share saying, it wasn't
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that, you know, I heard God speak from the clouds, but just
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the process of how you came to that and maybe the battle that
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was inside you in looking at it and the different concerns and
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things that that you had. But before you You communicate
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solidly, you have to have, it worked out on your own heart.
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At least the vision makes sense that it's from the Lord, and
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whether it's a move, whether it's, you know, you're living in
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a particular State and is you're feeling like the Lord is working
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with you to move to another state.
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You need to process that internally, you need to talk
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about it with those who are like a few stirs your spouse.
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Or in your leadership team before you ever present it to
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the congregation because there's a process that we come to the
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place where we finally let go and release.
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But then when we communicate that, we have to grant that
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those people have to go through someone of the same process in
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their own hearts, and minds. And there's going to be all
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kinds of, you know what about what ifs.
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And I don't think that's right and all that, but But you just
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got to catch it and be gracious. God deals with us graciously,
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and we have to deal with others graciously even in the whole
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communication process. I think that the mindset of I'm
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the leader and I tell you what to do is not very helpful in
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change because they're that that is factual in many ways.
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A leader does have oversight responsibilities and a leader
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does have the authority. To give direction.
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So there's factual too fat, there's facts to that statement,
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but it's not truthful. God doesn't call dictators into
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the ministry, he doesn't call, or is one of my pastor friends,
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who's gone home to be with the Lord now, but he had him at a
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conference. So I could say it out loud.
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Was Tom, Stipe that shared this with us because he said at a
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conference, you know, we, as pastors were more, like
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benevolent dictators. And I had never heard that
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before, and I remember him saying that, yeah.
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And, and I'm like, no, no, we're not benevolent dictators, I
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guess if you were and again, I talk to him personally about
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this and and he explained that and want, you know, he liked to
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say things for shock Factor at times.
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He was such a I missed that brother, man.
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He is, he would have been fun to do podcasts with.
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I missed that guy, so at any rate, I talked to him about it
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and we learn, I learned his perspective, but that we're not
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blind benevolent, dictators were benevolent servants, we're kind
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and helpful. And if we approach change from
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the position of serving, those that will process the change and
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go through the change, I think we'll get a lot farther than
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just barking orders and telling them, this is the way it's going
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to be and it reminded me of Joshua what a what emotion what
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heaviness he's taking over from Moses his mentor is spiritual
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leader. Paul would probably even call
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him a spiritual father. He's been in a Austin to him all
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this time ups and downs. He's been a faithful man and he
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is the man of the hour. He's the one that God is going
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to use Moses. We know, theologically
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representing the law could not lead the children of Israel into
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the promised land. But Joshua representing Grace,
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and Jesus. The Messiah to come would be the
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one we know all that, but he's still just a man, you know,
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we're reading and like, oh, it's all theological.
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Yeah, but this is a dude, he's he's gonna lead all these people
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out of Ring after a generation. So they're grieving and mourning
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that's something. That's not really spoke about in
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the wilderness wandering. They're leaving the bones and
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the bodies of their family in the wilderness, as they enter
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into not, just the promised land but fights and battles and it's
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likely he was in his 70s, dramatic, like someone else that
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I know in his seventies. And, and, and so what we see in
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Joshua 3 though and we're not going to Exegete the whole text.
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But what we see in Joshua 3 is that Joshua goes to God, he
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receives his direction from God. And then he's, he communicates
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with God, and then he communicates with his elders and
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then he communicates with the people and there is clear
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communication all the way around.
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It wasn't merely. I know what to do.
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You guys need to do this and just but there was a process.
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He talks about the people getting ready and then the Lord
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speaks to him this day. I'm going to exalt you and then
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he gives to the people go come here and hear the words of the
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Lord in verse 9. And he reminds them that God's
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with them, that God's not going to fail to drive out from before
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them, the Canaanites. So take for yourselves 12 men
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from the tribes and as soon as I start come to pass, he gives the
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whole Direction. And then he speaks, I think in
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this is really Gordon when it comes to communicating change.
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So goal kind of fully. Let's go back to the one voice
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part. In order to have one voice to
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those that you lead, you have to have one voice in your time
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together. Yeah.
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So there had to be clear communication with the team here
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constantly. It was exhausting.
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I mean, if you talk to Pastor Everett, I mean everybody it
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does it wasn't. I know some people experience it
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differently but you talked to Pastor it was exhausting it.
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I don't know how the brother got through it.
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I mean, it's supernatural. Cyril, and many of us are know
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how we all went through. It all got through it but I
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mean, for him he did carry a large load as our one of our
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administrative pastors here that we decided and he agreed that he
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would be the singular source for all the hard questions he would
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end. And so he was the senior Source,
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we would then talk about them but nothing would go out without
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processing with Pastor Everett to make.
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You could say we didn't say it back then, but you could say
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Pastor ever, it was anointed the Ability to craft the one voice
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for us, right? To me.
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That's the distribution of Grace.
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Yes. Because of the need whenever is
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that there is a need that is like, comes upon you.
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God's grace is already way ahead of that.
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And his grace is, what makes its efficient and provides it for
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that hour for that need. That's a good.
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That's a good encouragement to someone listening that you're
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overwhelmed with new responsibilities, new kids, new
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New job. And there is a there is a
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specific Grace that God gives to meet the hour.
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And so God is with you and looking back.
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I don't know that even looking back to the first time I met
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Everett in our church, when he started coming to his church to
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our church, all the way up from Brighton, driving all the way
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up. You know, miles and miles to
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come to church here that got we would even know the kind of
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important role that he would have here.
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But from the one voice a behind that was Station among us.
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And that some of those times were really hard because the and
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we're talking in the context of this particular podcast, the
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pandemic of 2020 2021, in the 2022 that we didn't know what
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was going on. So you had so many different
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things happening all at once and then there were racial tensions
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and there were Financial thing, it was I don't even maybe we
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won't even know all the stuff that we went through until we're
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in eternity. But if we were going to
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communicate with one voice, then behind the scenes, we had to
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have hard discussions. We had to have an openness, we
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had to have a freedom of expression on discussion.
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We had to be able to listen to contrary views.
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I think we've always had that environment here but it's only
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growing only expanding. Because if we are going to
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communicate the same thing, then we all have to generally agree
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about the same thing or at least have buy into it.
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Then the communication, then the communication is at our, we
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clearly communicating, what was expressed Among Us that, in this
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case, the change was imposed upon us, but it works for
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anything if I've got speaks to my heart as a pastor and I bring
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a change, we go through the same process.
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We talked about it. We never talked about one voice
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but we do know we talked about it, we input about it.
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But this is what I think the Lord's doing this is how Joshua
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is this? What I think the Lord wants to
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do this, is what he's done in the past.
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The past. This is what he said to me.
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This is how it's good. This is what we're going to do.
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But he addressed each of the group's, he addressed, he got
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his word from God. There was a Collective
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Agreement, I can't help. But think of the New Covenant
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example in Acts 15 such a watershed event for the early
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church. The big question.
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It was really do we circumcised Gentiles.
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I was a pretty big question and there was much discourse and
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debate on that topic, but James the singular leader of the
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church collectively. Lee with the elders and
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apostles. He says, okay.
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So what we're going to do and we all agreed.
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Yeah. And there was there was a that
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we all agreed. But it doesn't necessarily mean
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everyone had full agreement. It's just that.
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Okay? We talked it out and this we are
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going to agree with this decision.
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We think it's from the Lord, and we're willing to lay aside.
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Even if I don't agree right now, I'm willing to lay aside, what I
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think is, right? And I trust You and I trust us,
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trust is a big deal. It is a big deal and
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communication builds the trust is, are there any failures in
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your posture it in Phoenix that you can think of as we wind down
00:23:23
because we're coming up to the end, these podcasts go so fast.
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But is there a particular failure?
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Like when one of the one I'm thinking is you know, was there
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something that you really learned from like God used it
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and, you know, you can't help but have failures but there was
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something you really learned from that change the way you
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communicate. A change.
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I think when there are times I made a snap decision and it was
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made made sense to me and I just imposed it and I heard a few
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people through the process and it could have been different.
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And I think seeing the aftereffect of How I did it
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cause the pain and it caused me to rethink.
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I mean even in my home, with my wife just because I'm convinced
00:24:13
of something, you know she's a part of our team at her at the
00:24:17
home and I've learned over you know 52 years that you know it's
00:24:24
like You know, you're going to create your own drama, if you
00:24:30
don't just process it, right? And help her through it and she
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may never agree. I mean, she named she and you
00:24:37
have to consider it. Well, maybe her points or more
00:24:40
valid than your dream. So, you've got to be humble
00:24:45
enough to, to try to say. Okay, what's good for the for
00:24:50
the entire group? What's good for the the unit for
00:24:55
the team? And so something may be a real
00:24:59
great possibility and yet it's not time, it may be a great
00:25:04
idea, but the timing is off and the Lord's, using your spouse to
00:25:08
put the brakes on and to put the anchor down and you're going,
00:25:12
you know, why are you resisting me?
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And instead, God is using it to try to slow you down.
00:25:18
Not to not that. It's a bad idea but it's just
00:25:20
not time. I think that using the seeing
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the end result of hurt is really important to hear because when
00:25:30
we do make mistakes, we're talking about people here that
00:25:34
not functional things that the corporate world might think of
00:25:39
finances and shareholder value, and stakeholder value.
00:25:42
And I remember all those meetings I had to go through,
00:25:45
but in my role in the corporate world, I was the closest of our
00:25:49
management team, to the people, like I was dirt.
00:25:51
Directly responsible for over. And then every layer above me
00:25:55
was farther and farther and farther.
00:25:57
So that the farther you are from the people, the more prone, your
00:26:01
mistakes will be or the more prone you will be to make
00:26:04
decisions that a mistake WIll greatly hurt people.
00:26:08
Because Jesus said that we're to Shepherd, the flock of God or
00:26:11
Peter said to Shepherd, the flock of God that is among you
00:26:16
and we must remember that we're sheep to.
00:26:19
Yeah. And that.
00:26:20
That's where these Episodes, just when you think about, I
00:26:24
think every pastor and leader will and even a servant that's
00:26:27
made a mistake in the environment of the church or
00:26:30
anywhere for that matter would equate.
00:26:32
That the thing that sticks them the most wasn't that dumb
00:26:35
decision. It was the hurt that came,
00:26:37
right? And I know early on, in the
00:26:39
ministry here as God was growing me, some of my decisions did
00:26:43
hurt people and sometimes they hurt people beyond the person
00:26:48
wasn't mature enough or the person wasn't Aunt didn't have a
00:26:54
real relationship with the Lord enough to forgive and, and then
00:26:58
they without forgiveness and bitterness sets in and all.
00:27:01
But hurting people is, we're dealing with people's lives.
00:27:03
These are these are people that, that when we come to serve, they
00:27:09
want to worship God. They're not numbers.
00:27:12
They're not members, they're not.
00:27:15
And I heard this in a Pastors conference.
00:27:18
They're not giving units. I mean, who in the world?
00:27:22
Did Dad giving unit. I mean, how can you, how can you
00:27:25
make a person only worth, what they give whatever they call
00:27:29
them bums and bucks? And I don't know what that.
00:27:32
Yeah. We even had heard so many things
00:27:36
but they're people and just like I'm a person just like in our
00:27:39
wives and our our husbands and and are even those of you that
00:27:44
are single like learning and God even in your singleness, where
00:27:48
you get to make a lot of decisions for yourself, you can
00:27:51
Either God putting you on a team at church or helping having you
00:27:55
partner with others at work that God is teaching you these things
00:27:59
even while you're still single and God is teaching you how to
00:28:02
better serve him and better better lie.
00:28:04
That's why servanthood Always Trump's leadership because
00:28:08
servanthood keeps the focus on Jesus washing feet.
00:28:14
Would Jesus coming to die? Jesus, sacrificing himself for
00:28:20
others. Whereas Leadership is is
00:28:23
important. Topic is I think it is the
00:28:25
church world has made leadership over and above pastoring, and
00:28:30
pastoring is care. You know, Pat a Shepherd isn't
00:28:33
necessarily leading his sheep all the time.
00:28:36
A Shepherd is taking care of his sheep to making sure they're
00:28:39
well cared for well fed. Well taken care of.
00:28:44
Yeah, that's the tending tending, you know feed my sheep
00:28:48
or feed my Lambs. Tend my sheep.
00:28:50
That's right. Feed my sheep.
00:28:51
Ting takes the most work. Yeah.
00:28:54
And becomes the most painful and the sometimes, the most
00:28:58
frustrating. Yes.
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00:29:21
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00:29:24
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00:29:39
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00:29:46
Phoenix senior, pastor and Exeter England missionary.
00:29:50
Pastor founding pastor. Aster, he's now with the
00:29:52
ministry called poimen po imn. We're in these latter years of
00:29:59
ministry. He is being used in Dynamic
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He's at a different church every week.
00:30:05
I'm so where's Bob, where's Bob? He's at a different church.
00:30:08
Every week serving supporting giving pastors a chance to take
00:30:12
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00:30:16
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00:30:19
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00:30:21
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