We Have Accents

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You know like I have cousins who were like like to flex that is a massive fighter that just I

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Sended from the sky

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like this always happens to us spiders

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Spiders of the third culture fight. We should turn Charlie go to the spider at this point

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You oh my god, literally just send it upon us from the ceiling between us like

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like red it's a I was like why you read why is it bright red and it's like the size of my thumbnail

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It just ate that's what it means to skip to a Twilight

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, but we will

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We will cut or put this on the bloopers. I don't know. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the third culture podcast a podcast by two third culture kids. I'm

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Faith and I'm Krista and we're back after very very long hiatus

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say it's been two years

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness, and it's cool because we have a rebrand in everything a few

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: A few major life updates and we're still the same podcast, you know

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: We're still talking through belonging and belief from the perspective of two weirdos who slip in and out of different accents

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: That's who we are

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Then what's new?

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: What is what what have the past two years been like for you Chris?

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: What year we in

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to meet?

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I'm strip set what the last two years have been it feels weird. I think there's this reality of like

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like everything is new

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But also nothing is too

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Brian yeah, yeah, yeah everything feels the same yes with a few major life updates

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Sprinkle about yes the Lord has kind of oh

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a thing the Lord's kind of opened up a very

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm now very much involved in a ministry that didn't really exist until 2022

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. She's called when she leads yeah and so

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to when she leads so that's been

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Massive and I think since that point even I don't even know what what

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Time of 2022 we had stopped recording oh you know what we had recorded

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Technically at the end of 2021

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Because brandy was here right and then it was around the holidays because I I do remember listening to our last episode recently and being like

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know because the holidays are here what so that was probably 2021

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe and then we really sit in 2022 and at the time

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Brandy was single

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's in God to be more

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He's she's in Godj and God's the momarad. Yeah, so crazy. Wow, so yeah, so that's probably one of the biggest things that had happened in 2022 was this

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Full launch of now a ministry that I feel like takes up majority of my year and what is when she leads it

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So when she leads is a it started out as a podcast and the heart behind it

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_01]: was to talk through the

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Complexities of ministry as a woman and so it started out as that

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: There's four main hosts of it all past-risk wives

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Pastors wives but also missionaries so many different varieties of history background

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Experiences and they just chat about women in ministry in the complexities that it comes with the response to it was was

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Huge when it first launched and just realizing how much there's a need for this kind of conversation and so from that

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: We it opened up for us to do our very first conference and

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Now we're planning our third conference wow since since 2020. That's crazy and then we've had an opportunity to travel

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: With this and we've had the Lord has opened up opportunities for us to go to Brazil

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: to go to Ireland

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: England

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Which is insane Colorado

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Vegas

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Portugal and Spain it's insane but anyway like completely shameless plug

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: We're yeah upcoming one in October and I'm really excited about this yes

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Our keynote speaker is Rebecca McGlockland. Yeah, I love her and amazing I

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And just really excited there's a pause cast with her out right now go check it out you can tap into

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll put it in the show notes. Yes, so you have to listen to it. It's

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: so good and she

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: gives the church as a whole I feel like the way she talks about various subjects

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So much hope and so much grace and crisis just the center of it the gospels at the center of it

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's I think it's absolutely needed

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: In where we're at today even just looking at the last two years and what the world has gone through the last two years

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's really cool. So I'm really excited so that's probably the biggest shift

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, if anything for the last two years for me. Yes, my involvement with that particular ministry

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And then everything else does look pretty normal normal meaning like it looks like it's always looked like

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still serving in women's ministry at our local church a whole local home church and

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Rosanna are still very happily married. It's good. We're about to look

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So no change there

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and we're entering into our tenth year. Yeah, what is anniversary that's the beginning of next year wow

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of insane yes

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And then you have so I just

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That cute me. Yeah, you have a massive life a big life of date

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Has been a son that I bore and

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Give birth to and his name's Thomas and he's so funny

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the biggest life update on our end as far as myself and deals our concern and entering into

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Motherhood because I believe when we recorded

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_00]: The our last episode that we posted in 2020 to I wasn't even pregnant yet. That was about to get pregnant

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I have been shortly thereafter and and then I had Thomas and

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Love him he's the sweetest and the funniest kid right now

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: He's almost two which is wild to me

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, he's been alive for as long as we haven't been

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: The only thing for their culture broadcast

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Something in some other head has been a wild ride for me definitely

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: World shifting and

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It definitely

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Honed in even just what my daily rhythms would look like and

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Rhythm's a ministry when involved. I've learned to ask for help. I've learned

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the beauty of

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Therapy and counseling and all these things that

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: are just wonderful tools that the Lord is used to

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Help address maybe some things in my life that I didn't realize were

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Stuff that I would just serve viving from and

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Thomas really brought

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: God use like Thomas to bring me to

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: The place of like

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Full desperation and being confronted with myself

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's been really

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Healing informing and really a lot of beautiful ways so

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Beals and I walking through that it's a sweet thing to see

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Bills become a father and being absolutely incredible and

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting to navigate also

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Having in my 30s and having our first child

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_00]: In the church context where people get married in our community in particular are on their like fourth kid and I just like wow now and

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And then this is this full

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Vulnerability on my aunt too. It's like I was never really the type to be like oh

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Everything I want everything in one of life is just to be a mom, you know, and that wasn't really other four front

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I've like my ambition in life and

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: My dreams and stuff but this was what the Lord

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Soft it to give us and the season of life

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I love him

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Some days are hard, you know but yeah, he's he's just a sweet and Chris and Roy, sorry

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Neenungs and Neenungs and Neenungs and if it wasn't for Neenungs and Neenungs truly like we would just be drowning in seven families great and

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of our family doesn't live in town so

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: To have I don't know how people do it without the church

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like they're just on their own

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_00]: That's hard

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: How did our parents do it when they moved

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Country like wait a second and even just now being products of it. Yeah, right like now we're in full adulthood

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and I can look back and say

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: We turned out pretty all right yeah, truly and so and yet

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: How we lived and how we grew up

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: My parents not having a whole lot of support my mom meeting like the you know the structure was so traditional for us when we first left the Philippines because my mom had to stay at home

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: My dad worked yeah

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: She had three kids all different interests different ages

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: My parents had to send you know the international school that was there only went up to us to ingrate

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: My brothers who were much older than I am

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Got out of that international age data that international school within a year

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And so now my mom is helping my brothers

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Do their homework in Malay

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Because they they have to go to the local school school right now. Yeah, and I'm like what?

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: What at 27 yeah

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically having to learn a new language to help integrate their children

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So they can be educated and home schooling was really a thing back then yeah

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't no I was you had two weeks two three weeks for books to get to you from America or Canada

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's a that's the hard part, right? It's like my mom who's a natively the Gallaudet speaking woman

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Was trying to learn English yeah, she's among

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: English-speaking people and it's just like a neutral language for everybody. Yeah, and then

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Having to understand or understand enough or learn enough Malay

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, thank god Malay and the Gallaudet is very more

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's actually a great segue into this

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Sociological journal that I found but also take talk brought me there. I'm on third culture kid take talk

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And one creator said do you guys realize that there's a

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: International school accent

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is hilarious because I literally yeah, you and I both went to international schools right so when we moved to the Middle East I went to

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: A

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's an American community school

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was an international school so I had classmates who were Canadian

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Swedish nor region finish

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And usually a good amount of Nordic countries

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Pakistani

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Indian just general South Asia and then the local

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Rich kids

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: The local rich local

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Abu Dhabi kids and who were like royalty

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, so it's just being surrounded by these different

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_00]: accents and we're all speaking English which is

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting because it's an American community school, but you would think it'd be like a British school because there was a British school down the street

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And they wore like they were uniforms and stuff. We did not we were whatever we wanted

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But it had to be within what was appropriate for

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: The Muslim culture around us, but because of the different accents around you you almost need to find a

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You subconsciously find a way to communicate with one another that could be the clearest way and then this is what ends up being called the International School accent or the third culture kid accent

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So it sounds

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: distinctly American for some people and or it sounds

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like this basic American English with some British

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Internations, you know, and stuff which I feel like you you relate to really well

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I go in and out of it or I'll use a

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: A term that is more distinctly British English than

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: American English or I'll say a word and it has like just sounds weird to an American to like that's not how you

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like yeah, it is because that's how everybody else in the world does it but anyways

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: But how does that make you feel to understand that and have you been able to clock a third culture kid based on their accent?

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: This so this whole article in what you had shared at like when you had said that I was like wait what?

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have an accent. I have had yes in the past and then you know just made in the midst of a conversation with somebody

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I've gotten statements like you

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Speak very clearly. Yes, and I was like that's it. Thank you

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Like in my head, but then I'm only my brain goes immediately to

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, why are they saying that is it because I did I just told them I'm from the Philippines and

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, is this a little bit rough of my growing aggression?

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't realize that

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they're just like whoa like yeah, surprising you know, so I've always been like okay. Yeah, yeah, I do

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: But I never I never thought to attribute that to the reality that

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they're culture kids. Yes, you know and there are certain words

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that I even hear depending on my energy level the day yes where like it tends to swing

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: British a little I love it, you know queen like we gave her we gave that

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: That persona a name

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was Patricia which is your actual legal name

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, sometimes oh Patricia's here. Yeah, so that's and that's the thing like my my friends

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: My husband especially he's just like Patricia's I can hear Patricia in the room

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Like

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Say it like

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I have heard that I have heard like you speak very clearly. Yeah, are you speak very

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Formal yes, there's like a formality

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the choices in which you know the words the words that we choose to use yeah, and I always just thought it was I don't know

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Normal or this is what I grew up with yeah, or

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to that accent there are definitely

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Words that I hear myself and I can't even think of what particular words are right now

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But there are words when I'm like just talking yes, it'll like it'll just

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it'll be like American American British American

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Like or like the Gallo accent feels into it like my like my I

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Really have to think before I say the word intestine

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I say intestine if I don't think about it. Oh, yeah

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: intestine wait

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_00]: intestine

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: intestine but intestine also sounds really weird right

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying there's some words and that I still say flat when I the first word that comes to my brain when I think apartment is flat

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Or like a biscuit instead of a cracker or cookie

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I eventually formed myself out of saying scones and like of scones and

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Biscuits you know in here in America biscuits are what scones would be yeah everywhere else

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Or crump it yes, it's like it's like a tart and you know

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of stuff that it's mostly food related

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: This is very true. That's what yeah, so I try to think of yeah, but there are some words

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But also just certain letters we emphasize

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this person says like S is and ours tend to be very

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That would be harder

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's because we we have grown up in the survival mode of wanting to be understood and

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Making sure there's like clarity as much as possible when we communicate so that involves saying like

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Like having our S is be more prominent on our ours being more prominent

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But also why the American accent tends to be the default

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Blank sheet of paper the ground zero the current yes of what you

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what everyone kind of generally speaks and then

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Flourishing on top of that like different accents in words is

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Because of American media being so global and the globalization of pop culture as it regards to

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: American pop culture and and like living in the Middle East for example

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: BBC is huge so I did we did get a lot of that

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I would watch black adder all the time because row and Ed Gizzin is awesome and Mr. Bean was generally clean and

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: The Muslims would not

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, flag it so it's like okay, yeah, but then he wouldn't talk so it's like

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_00]: What are you yeah, yeah exactly it so interesting but

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so BBC

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Really didn't go super globalized until maybe more in the 2000s

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But American media especially like friends and was overseas and things that weren't over dubbed already

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So we were already exposed to like this media and that gave us I think a common

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Dialect so to speak I think in different international space international school spaces

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_00]: For example and yeah, everyone still has accents and stuff but one thing I that makes me laugh sometimes is like like you said when you're tired or when I'm tired

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's where my real accent comes out it reminds me of

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I forgot which talk show host it was but Pedro Pascal was at was a

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: guest and he's like and they were talking about accents and he's like it's so cool that you can like flip into

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Achily an accent. He's like well, I'm using an accent right now and

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: That's I feel that's so relatable to me and you too. It's that

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Like what I'm speaking to you guys right now is an accent that I'm using and I don't actually know what my real accent is because

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It's different from space to space

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds exhausting, but it's more like a subconscious

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's a survival

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Possibly you know that when I go from space to space it's different when you and I go to the Philippines

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_00]: To be able to use like taglish in a very strong form especially for their other Americans in the room

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And you need to communicate to both teams that the local team and our team that we're bringing

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Like to use a strong

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Filipino accent, but one that also has like distinctly American

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Intonations is really helpful going from from both parties. Yes

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes that comes out when I'm really

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: You know it's interesting because

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Back in I think it was 2018 when we went to New Zealand yes

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Minister and

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: While so fun flying there

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I already had a form of like

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Exiety knowing that I'm going to hear a very similar accent that I've grown up

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know one of my one of my good friends growing up in elementary school

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_01]: She was she was from Wellington and

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of was like okay and and knowing that this is a tendency. Oh yeah, I hear it

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I will just do it. Yes, it's that mirroring

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Language mirroring, yes or like code switching. Yes, and so accent merging it

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It really is a merge but at the same time

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be misunderstood. Yeah, I don't want it like I'm making fun of them

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not I'm not especially because it's so obvious. I'm coming from California

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You know it's not like I have like I'm a third culture kid. Yeah, yeah, and like my travel history is on your shirt on my body

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that there was

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You know we went out evangelizing at this park and I had started speaking to a couple of like young adults and

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: We were just they were asking why we were there and they are incredibly fascinated to an extent of like where we're from

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and why we were coming

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: They were like you're here to tell people about Jesus. It's like yeah, we're here from America

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to tell you guys about Jesus and

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Then they were I think them even learning that we're from America

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Got them excited like what part of California?

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: What part of America now is like we're from California and I am trying so hard to sound like a California to not match their

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and not sound like them. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and so I was very conscious about this

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I you know we had you know we chatted and we talked about

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Inviting them come to come out and

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: The pastor's daughter was there and she

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: She was I'm trying to remember what they're so I think her dad is English like he's from the UK

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm and then they are now missionaries or

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they are still but they were missionaries in New Zealand

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But she did a lot of her studying in America and so when I speak to her

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: She has an American accent even though she's

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: fully living in New Zealand

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But kind of born in I think born and raised a little bit in the UK

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And so after this conversation with these young adults

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I like kind of walked you know was to walking back to our little hub with her and I was explaining to her how hard it was for me

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: To like keep an American accent. Yeah, well speaking to this group and

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: She asked me she's like why do you think that is and I got to explain to her as you know

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a third culture kid like around these different kind of accents and it's naturally I just start

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Mirring yes

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like that's me yeah, and I'm like wait what do you mean and then I think this was actually the first conversation

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I've had that actually made so much sense

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like this accent that I'm speaking to you right now is not my accent. Yes, exactly

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Explain to her I was asking like wait

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So what is your accent? She's like well you're Americans and so I just see

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Your

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the air for you to understand if I spoke with it. Yeah, so I was explaining her like when I get really tired

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Naturally pull into more of a of a British accent because that's my first exposure to English yes

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Very British and she's like so that's your real accent and I was like

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: What is she's like so what what you know longer fight the accent that you don't fight? Yes

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually is your home accent yeah, and

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: She was explaining how she does that she's like when I'm really tired. She she

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Really leans more on the New Zealand

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: He reacts in yeah

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: She's like that's like my home accent yeah when I'm like at full relax

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and I don't have to entertain or host any mask anything or mask anything that's normally where

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the most comfortable. That's why so thinking that I was like who am I?

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Am I I don't even know why I am at this one which actually makes a lot of sense because when I go to the Philippines

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if this is similar to you. I can't talk like this no in the Philippines

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it sounds really off and weird to me

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know how to speak like an American no in the midst of Filipino

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It feels wrong if yeah, like morally wrong

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: F not morally ethically wrong. It's a continuous speaking like this. It doesn't

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, almost performative. Yes, like if I even though when I'm here and I'm using this accent completely

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't feel but when I'm back home

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It feels ethically

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: As I need to speak like how I

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Immediately when I get off the plane I get in a cab. Yes, or an taxi in the Philippines or a grab you know

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Grab I

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Immediately sound

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Not American yeah, at least in my own ear. I don't know what I sound like to other people

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But like you know I have cousins in the Philippines who like to flex that they have cousins who are American

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why that's a flex but it's flex it is what it is right and they're like oh there from California

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Come meet them and then I start speaking to them

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and I can't speak to them the way that they would like me to speak to their friends

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: No because they want me to sound like this. They want me to sound like I'm from California

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but I get a little fray. Yeah

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Just a little you know

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't I actually don't like to talk like that, but I just say time I

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just and then immediately I'm just speaking into the dialogue. Yes, hi, yeah

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello or even

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Like taking a tag-lash I speak tag-lash really hard because I realize you like it takes me a while to

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: To reaclimate to the dialogue when I'm in the Philippines

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It takes about a week for me to kind of like get my

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: vocabulary back because I we don't speak the dialogue at home. There doesn't know any I do want to teach like Thomas something

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I look but but my tag-lash

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I can flip in and out of tag-lash because that's what I've done the most and I'm wondering is that my real accent

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You know accent is tag-lash. I think it may be it feels good, you know

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: As I speak right now and I don't know a few experiences, but like I feel like my tongue like

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I turned you're like like there's cotton in my mouth. I don't it doesn't come out

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like why can I find the American word for this? Yes, yes, that's literally what it feels like

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know it's almost like it's gone and it's

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting too because here like in our context, you know

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We we serve at a very multicultural church

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And people we get new attendees all the time that come in and then they learn that we're from the Philippines

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they want to hear what the golog sounds like that that is a very common it's a

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Caught is a common request. And so in my head I have to think about it

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't come naturally. Yes, and when I hear but I'm here, but the moment another Filipino or tag-lash speaking

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Filipino enters into the community into the circle and I'm hearing them and they're hearing me

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Weirdly transitions very smoothly for whatever reason I my tagalog is more

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Formed when I'm around the golog speak. It has yes, full like you know Filipinos are people yes, and so it's it's really

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really interesting. Yeah, it's almost like

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Like a mode in my ear that I didn't realize I had yes that if I

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like a similar because when I get around Spanish speaking

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Groups

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_01]: My Spanish vocabulary expands. It does because I'm and it's like a file cabinet. Yeah, that's broken

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a tab that's like oh yeah, remember this and expand you have this whole other file cabinet of

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so good at Spanish you guys like it's wild and

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But when I'm where in a place where I'm not speaking Spanish, I don't but whenever we went to Mexico or we were in a Spanish speaking country for some reason

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm like I'm so good at conjugating verbs

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It just kind of re-kicks back and makes sense. It makes

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes so much sense at at least to us. I don't know if this is a wild concept to

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Our listeners who are not T cases. Yeah, yeah T C case KFC

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: BCC yes BBC no, but that's a thing and so it's but it's interesting like I don't know

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's hard to explain because it it feels like it's a natural mode

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Or feature that I didn't I didn't learn this. It's not like I picked this skill up somewhere right

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It just it just happens. It's certainly a superpower

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that also can border

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Upon existential crisis because then you're like who am I

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It how do I even speak this whole time?

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been using this accent and then and realizing to like the brain power the subconscious brain power

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That's actually been going on with maybe that's actually the reason why I was so tired

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like for work. It's just we have too many file. I have too many accents in my brain

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It's wow, so I would love to I'm gonna link this article in the show notes or and even in

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Our

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Instagram just because it's such a cool

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Paper that is cool thesis that someone by someone by the name of Bianca Vaule

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_00]: wrote and

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Her summary says third culture kids T.C.A's are defined as people who have grown up outside of their parents and their host countries cultures

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_00]: in

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_00]: interstitial third culture

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Children who are born as third T.C.A's

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Develop their first dialect in super diverse environments in which the linguistic feature pool is constantly shifting

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Do that to the temporary nature of expatriate

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Resonances when T.C.A's return to their parents home country the dialect in their new environment is their heritage dialect

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So going back to the Philippines is our heritage

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: She goes on to say today no research has investigated how dialect acquisition in the scenario differs from the traditional second dialect acquisition

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Experience of moving from one stable linguistic environment to a new one and

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_00]: That's where you and I

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: We can relate I guess to this article is this thesis in that we lived in

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Countries where the linguistic features shifting and versus people who move from like one

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Place to another where both have very stable linguistic features and then she

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Consues to say the current study attempts to address this knowledge gap by looking closely at the dialect changes of

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_00]: ATC case who moved to New Zealand

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: After growing up in Hong Kong or Singapore both of which are very

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Shifting linguistic landscape and it's very very cool to

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_00]: To read I didn't read all of it. I read a good amount of ice gamed a good amount of it and I was like this is

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Incredible and yeah, I feel like a good reading. I'm gonna love to hear anyone's thoughts and experiences are going that

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you guys have other accents?

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Are you a pool of different accents and you just pull from that and I feel like different accents within me have different depths

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: You know and that makes sense to when like like you said when I

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically I have to be surrounded by other dogolog speakers in order to get it back and it's the same thing as like waiting in the water

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: When the water feels too cold and I have to kind of like get used to it and then go deeper and deeper and that's

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_00]: That's me and the golog specifically

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_00]: For sure there was a time actually. I do remember just sorry one work one more story but

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_00]: When I hadn't been to the Philippines in a while and this part I think I was

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_00]: 21 it was after our second on the edge and at by this point

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Since I was last in the Philippines we've gone to Mexico quite a few times for our mission strips and just trips in general

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So as far as like my Spanish usage was very

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I had used that a lot and

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Going back to the Philippines and

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Basically like being reintroduced into like my homeland where I had lived for years and years and years before I had hadn't been back in a while

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_00]: The the first language that would like

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Try to escape my mouth. I'm when I'm speaking to fellow

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_00]: My fellow countryman was Spanish and I was so embarrassed because I was like I would start to say

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Like see instead of oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh and I was like

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Freak

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It was weird because I think because that was just the other non-English language that I had been practicing

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So so regularly and I had to like reocquaint myself with that file cabinet or find the file cabinet in my brain

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_00]: That was like yeah, and I also did definitely felt like a spiritual like formation moment too when I had

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Rediscovered that file cabinet of it the god look because I could always understand it that's

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Never went away like my I could have TFC on the Filipino channel on and

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Listen to the news and it sounds like English to me like it's I can understand it fluently

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But for some reason when it came to speaking it I had to like

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that file cabinet needed to be

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Dust it off but when once that opened up again

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know like I would love to ask the Lord one day like what happened there because rediscovering

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking the god look again and being comfortable with it because I used to be made fun of because of the different accents

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I would in

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_00]: inter pose into

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: my the god look

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I had to just build that confidence again

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Something happens like something unlocked even within me

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_00]: As far as like identity identity and like cultural identity and how it in regards to like my spiritual

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Identity is I don't know so interesting

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It is it's a deep well of thought. I don't know

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's fascinating to yeah study and think through or even yeah

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: With intention yes

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Recognize previous experiences like you know like your your just had your story and

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And really yeah like sit even with the Lord about that like

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like in how you form me as a person yes and in the

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Things that you've called me to be effective in

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Even seeing Christ in his spirit to come unlock yes

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Things that we know

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_01]: To some extent to a degree we understand that you know we do we have these filing cabinets and and to him it's like

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: For him to recindle or reopen or unlock certain things in his timing yeah even

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And even permitting us to acknowledge yeah that he's doing that it's it's so fascinating to me yes because I'm like

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Why now why this?

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You know and

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it does it does cause you to

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: To to deeper

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Meditation on who and who it is that the Lord molded yeah, you know and and asking like

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: How do I then carry Christ in his gospel?

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_01]: This complex yes

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Complex package that is faith weight

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, just a rule. You know and and it's so unique but it does I think there's like at least

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_01]: In my own in my own opinion

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: There's things that I love celebrating about that truth yeah, but there's also parts where I'm like why am I built like this man?

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so why is it such an entanglement of

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, mysteries it feels like some some things are like you know and

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_00]: The whole idea of like everything in the mirror seems are is closer than they appear

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lot of things to about me that I'm like this feels so far away or like a distant life

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a TCK life where it's the different countries we've lived in

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_00]: feel like different

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Universes and the cultural experience of that knowing that like when you leave a place

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody else's life there who isn't leaving with you their life goes on as well and

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so sad

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's it's a you it's a very it's a unique

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Formation yeah

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It's it feels like like a spiritual geology of like yes a history and like the strata of your life

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And and it's also comfort to know like those things are known by the Lord as well

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that nothing is hidden from him all of those things all the foul cabinets are open to him

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: They're not in a foul cabinet they're all in like he just sees in and he reads it and knowing like in some

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_00]: 39 that he formed us in our inward parts and being wonderfully made and even as like my bones were not hidden from you

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Your eyes saw me when I was formless and

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Knowing that like and in the end of four knowledge of God like that mystery alone is such a comfort

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_00]: To know that like even though I don't know

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_00]: How to access these parts of my life and I mean yes

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Counseling at there be certainly help but like they are not unknown to God and these these things that feel like they're kind of like in the shadows of my life

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Our light to him and you can see those things and I can just stress that the areas that need healing

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_00]: He'll touch them the areas that

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need right now, maybe

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: He can heal and kind of like put him away. You know, whatever, you know

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But that just takes a whole life devotion to him

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I can't just keep running away from the from my experiences in my history because nothing is wasted

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_00]: To the world even the accents that I've lost

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he will dig those things back up and you know like I love that

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And it has to be God to do the work