Hey everyone, it’s been a while since I've put out new episodes on this show! Life, as it does, has gotten in the way. The busyness of work, family, all the unexpected curveballs that come with being a husband and a dad, and running both an itinerant ministry and a small business.
But today, something shifted. I felt this nudge, like God was saying, "It’s time to share again." So here I am, back in my little backyard podcast studio, feeling inspired to talk about what God’s been teaching me lately—through the process of raising my son, Jack.
I’ve learned so much these past years. Things I didn’t see coming, things I didn’t even know I needed to learn. You know how it goes... you think you’re the one doing the teaching. You’ve got the wisdom, the guidance, the "dad lessons" ready to pass down... and then... suddenly, you realize it’s actually you being shaped. You’re the one learning. And it’s happening in the small moments—bedtime stories, scraped knees, and those sweet, chaotic days that you wish could last forever and end all at the same time.
In this episode, I want to share some of those moments with you. This episode is a snapshot of fatherhood, and a glimpse at the heart of God the father for His children.
So, whether you’re a parent or not, I hope today’s episode blesses you. In the process of us raising our children, God is raising us too.
- Aaron Salvato
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[00:00:02] Fatherhood. I always wanted it. It felt like one of those noble aspirations, a deep down,
[00:00:11] almost primal desire to raise children and to pass on wisdom to be a dad. But yeah, here's
[00:00:20] the thing. I never expected it to feel as magical as it actually does. Which is interesting
[00:00:29] because I'm a son and I had a great dad. I experienced it from the other side as the
[00:00:36] kid being raised by a dad who genuinely cared about me, but actually fathering caught me
[00:00:43] off guard. Not like in the way when you get punched in the gut, but more like a wave,
[00:00:50] one where you don't see it coming. You're standing there enjoying the view and then
[00:00:57] suddenly it hits you and you're knocked over by something you weren't entirely prepared
[00:01:02] for and yet always hoped would come. I remembered driving home from the hospital after my son
[00:01:11] Jack was born. He was in the backseat with his mom who was fussing over him, trying
[00:01:19] to keep his head up. You know, the new mom jitters worried about him and I was
[00:01:24] playing this playlist that I had made for that drive home because I'm a sentimental sap.
[00:01:31] I love music and I love the emotional connection that music can bring to moments. And there's
[00:01:39] this song from the Muppet movie from like the 1970s where Gonzo and Kermit and Piggy
[00:01:47] and Fawzi and Ralph are all hanging out in the desert on this road trip to Hollywood.
[00:01:52] And Gonzo's looking up the stars singing this song called I'm Going to Go Back There Someday,
[00:01:59] which is an allusion to his past. You know, Gonzo is this creature where we don't know
[00:02:05] exactly what he is. He's not a bear, he's not a chicken, he's a whatever. He's from space.
[00:02:10] And so he's looking out at the stars and just thinking about returning to a home
[00:02:16] that he's never actually known. And there's this line in the song that goes,
[00:02:22] there's not a word yet for old friends who just met. And that hit me so hard because I was thinking
[00:02:33] about my son and I was like, I just met him yesterday. And yet I feel like this is one of
[00:02:41] my best friends in the whole world. Like I feel like I know him even though I don't. He's mine.
[00:02:46] He's a part of me. Gosh, yeah, it's, oh man, it's been, it's been such a journey. He's almost three
[00:02:55] and literally we are becoming more and more best friends every day, every minute.
[00:03:02] Yeah, C.S. Lewis once said children are not a distraction from more important work.
[00:03:08] They are the most important work. And I used to read that quote and not along, you know,
[00:03:14] I believed it sure, but I didn't know what it actually meant. Not until the moments where my son
[00:03:20] wants me to drop everything I'm doing so I can help him build a tower made out of blocks
[00:03:25] or I can give him some sort of feedback on a paper filled with crayon scribbles.
[00:03:32] It's in those little moments where I feel God holding me back to the meaning of reality and
[00:03:40] everything, which is love, family connection belonging. It's these little mundane moments
[00:03:49] of bedtime stories and scraped knees that become holy ground. You know, I knew fatherhood would
[00:04:04] be a lot of teaching lessons passing down wisdom and guiding a young soul, but I didn't expect
[00:04:10] that half the time I'd be the one learning and that's so cliche. That's so cheesy, but it's so true.
[00:04:18] I've learned so much about patience and contentment and grace. Grace for my son when he makes the
[00:04:28] same mistake over and over and over sometimes on accident and sometimes out of complete rebellion.
[00:04:37] And yet my love for him does not change one bit learning joy in the simple,
[00:04:44] almost like laughable things like watching a two year old run around the house making up
[00:04:49] complete nonsense words and songs picking up all his toys and throwing them across
[00:04:54] the living room and yet it's still the most endearing mess you've ever seen in your life.
[00:04:59] I feel like fatherhood is not actually a title that you wear or even a role that you play. It's
[00:05:05] a transformation. Like it's something that shapes you day after day in ways that you don't always
[00:05:13] see coming. You think you're just raising them, but through the process God is actually raising
[00:05:19] you in ways that you wouldn't expect. He's teaching you what it means to love,
[00:05:26] not just in theory but in practice through things like spilled milk and sleepless nights
[00:05:34] at hugs and kisses at the end of a hard day, the moments where you watch your kid hug
[00:05:39] their mom and just throw their arms around her in a big bear hug and wiggle their nose
[00:05:45] against her saying I love you mommy or the way my son looks at me with just total
[00:05:53] sincerity in his eyes. He looks up at me and says daddy, you're my best friend.
[00:06:00] Fatherhood. Fatherhood is not this mountain to climb, you know something grand but distant.
[00:06:06] Now I see it more like a garden. You plant seeds, you tend to them, you water them with your
[00:06:11] tears and your laughter and your love and then somehow miraculously life grows and it's more
[00:06:19] beautiful than you could have ever imagined. So today I was struck by just the amazing weight
[00:06:46] and opportunity of fatherhood like this beautiful wonderful burden that comes with being entrusted,
[00:06:56] the opportunity to pour into the life of a little person. It really is this sacred responsibility
[00:07:02] when we think back on our life, we are shaped by the people in our life for good and for bad.
[00:07:09] The way that we see the world, the way that we think, the way that we process
[00:07:13] emotions, the way that we handle situations can be traced in this thread that runs through
[00:07:22] our past and through our history, through all of these conversations and moments we've had with
[00:07:27] different people in our life. And through being a parent we have so many opportunities for these
[00:07:34] little moments to make an impact and a difference. But I'll be the first to admit I don't always
[00:07:40] take those opportunities and you know this morning I decided to take my son for a walk.
[00:07:47] The weather was decent for once. I live in Oklahoma so it's normally just blazingly hot.
[00:07:55] But today felt like a gift because in the earlier part of the day it was in the 60s and so we were
[00:08:01] just we were all so excited and I said to my wife, hey I should take Jack for a walk.
[00:08:08] So we loaded up the stroller he's at the age where he's kind of resistant to like any idea
[00:08:14] we come up with but then like once we start doing it he enjoys it. I'm like hey Jack do you want to
[00:08:19] take a walk? And he's like ah no, no! But I'm like yeah we're gonna do it. So I throw him in the stroller
[00:08:25] and he immediately you know starts grooving and having a good time. He's got his sunglasses on and
[00:08:31] my wife has dressed him in this amazingly cute very 1970s reminiscent outfit of blue and white
[00:08:39] striped collared short sleeve shirt and then some bright red shorts. He looks so ridiculously retro
[00:08:46] all the time I love it. So we set off to walk around in our beautiful little neighborhood out here
[00:08:52] in Yukon, Oklahoma and we start out like we normally do which is me with my headphones in
[00:08:58] listening to a podcast or music while from my son's perspective it just seems like we're
[00:09:04] strolling along in silence. But then about 10 minutes into that walk something hit me
[00:09:10] which is there's nothing wrong with listening to an audiobook while I walk with my son. Nothing
[00:09:17] wrong with that at all but in that moment I realized I was missing something in that moment
[00:09:23] because here I was walking with Jack who's this little sponge you know who just he absorbs
[00:09:31] everything around him right now every word every sound every little tiny bit of the world.
[00:09:37] There's so many things where my wife and I are like where did he come up with this concept how
[00:09:42] does he understand that phrase it's because he's just constantly listening and absorbing
[00:09:48] the world around him and in this moment here's this boy this adorable little boy who is open
[00:09:57] to receiving something from me and I'm just kind of checked out and lost in my own world
[00:10:02] I was missing an opportunity to connect so I end up taking out my headphones and I think
[00:10:07] you know I'm just gonna start talking to him and I thought what do I talk to him about
[00:10:12] what do you talk to an almost three-year-old about and the first thing that came to my mind
[00:10:17] was love like and not just you know love but like the philosophical concept of love so
[00:10:23] I just started there I began explaining to him in the simplest way I could
[00:10:28] what love is you know because he's at the age where he's starting to say mommy daddy I love you
[00:10:34] but he says that about everything he says I love Barney the dinosaur it's my favorite I love pizza
[00:10:40] it's my favorite like just everything he loves it and it's his favorite so
[00:10:47] I started talking to him about the philosophy of love and the difference between liking something
[00:10:52] and loving something and what it means to you know love pizza versus what it means for me to
[00:10:59] love his mom or to love him so I'm explaining to him the nature of like what love actually means
[00:11:07] and what love makes you feel inside when you actually truly love someone and when they're
[00:11:14] loved by you and how to really love someone it means that you will serve them and you'll sacrifice
[00:11:21] for them and you'll be there for them and help them with things that they need and as I spoke
[00:11:29] I just noticed you know something shifted he perked up he was listening he was really truly
[00:11:36] listening and you know he's not even three but he was tracking with me he really was in his own
[00:11:42] little way you know he's asking funny little questions and making silly comments but you could
[00:11:47] tell he was he was engaged and we were having this whole little conversation about life and love
[00:11:53] right there on the sidewalk and then the conversation starts to expand and he starts pointing at
[00:11:59] things and asking you know daddy what's that and suddenly we're talking about everything I was
[00:12:04] talking about willow trees and explaining you know how they bend with the wind and
[00:12:09] where we're talking about stop signs and why they're important and we're talking about different
[00:12:14] kinds of dogs and why the sky is full of clouds today instead of sunshine and it became this really
[00:12:20] beautiful simple walk a small moment that if I had kept my headphones in I would have missed
[00:12:28] entirely and here's what really got me every single day I have an opportunity to connect
[00:12:37] with this beautiful little soul I have the opportunity to show him love by pouring into
[00:12:45] him by teaching him and it doesn't have to be profound it doesn't have to be planned
[00:12:50] it can be as simple as pointing out the trees and talking about love but I have to be present
[00:12:57] I have to show up and as we walked along it hit me even deeper this I believe is what God
[00:13:04] wants with us in the same way I want my son to be with me I want him to be asking questions I want
[00:13:11] him to be learning from me and engaging and just being with me I think God wants the same from
[00:13:17] his children he's always walking with us always ready to talk and yet how often do we walk through
[00:13:24] life with our headphones in absorbing anything but his presence and missing the chance to just
[00:13:30] connect with him James 4a it says draw near to God and he will draw near to you
[00:13:37] and it's not about having some deep life-changing conversation every time that's an unhealthy
[00:13:42] expectation to put on your relationship with God sometimes it's about simple acts of just
[00:13:47] being together just walking side by side talking about trees and clouds and love
[00:13:53] because in the end God isn't looking for profound moments every time we come to him
[00:13:58] he's just looking for presence for a heart that says I'm here father let's just be together
[00:14:05] I think of how Jesus talked about this kind of simplicity in our relationship with God
[00:14:11] in Luke 18 he said truly I tell you anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little
[00:14:17] child anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it
[00:14:23] that's a hard verse to hear but there's something about the innocence the wonder the
[00:14:28] curiosity of a child that God treasures and I see it so clearly now in my own son
[00:14:35] Dallas Willard once said the first and most basic thing we can and must do
[00:14:42] is to keep God before our minds and that's what i'm learning slowly but surely
[00:14:48] it's not about making every moment spiritually profound or intellectually enlightening
[00:14:54] although I do love and enjoy those moments but that's not every moment it's about simply
[00:15:00] keeping God before my mind walking with him and allowing the daily ordinary moments to become
[00:15:09] sacred just like I want my son to ask me about trees and love God wants us to ask him
[00:15:16] about our lives about the beauty of the world around us about the mystery of love and grace
[00:15:23] about the things we don't understand and he's not waiting for us to get it right every time
[00:15:28] he's just waiting for us to show up to take out the headphones and to put away the distractions
[00:15:35] and to be present with him in the simplest most ordinary moments of life
[00:15:41] because in those small moments the walks the questions the dangling conversations
[00:15:47] that's where the real connections happen and that's where we learn to walk with the father
[00:15:52] I want to share just a few more observations today from my time this morning with my son
[00:16:15] hopefully it blesses you I don't know who's going to listen to this episode
[00:16:20] I mean you know if you're if you're also a dad I think this might speak to you maybe
[00:16:25] yeah if you're a mom this this could speak to you too maybe you're listening you're like I don't
[00:16:28] have kids well hopefully this is just uh encouraging to you in some way but I just wanted to share
[00:16:35] some things from my life and just some very simple practical observations of things God's teaching
[00:16:41] me through the fatherhood experience so this morning I was spending time with my son we went
[00:16:47] for a walk around the neighborhood and he actually ended up at the local park Kimble
[00:16:52] in Yukon Oklahoma which if you know me well you won't be surprised to know that I had no
[00:16:57] plan to end up there I didn't say let's go to the park I just walked aimlessly around my
[00:17:03] neighborhood and just literally just wandered in whatever direction suited me in the moment
[00:17:09] you know whatever really the way I do it is just I turned down whatever street looks the
[00:17:13] prettiest and has the most shade so that's kind of how I navigate things but yeah I ended
[00:17:20] up at the park and we were having this great walk and I thought well now let's get out and
[00:17:24] let's enjoy this wonderful park and you know my son Jack is almost three now and he's at the age
[00:17:30] where everything is a grand adventure like when he's out in the great outdoors in nature he is
[00:17:36] just having the time of his life and we were having a great time at the park at the playground
[00:17:42] you know we spent the better part of two hours together and you know we were running around
[00:17:47] the playground it's so funny because he never he like never wants to actually do anything on the
[00:17:52] playground he he like never wants to swing on the swings he never wants to go down the slide he just
[00:17:56] loves like running around from platform to platform essentially and and watching other kids play so
[00:18:04] yeah we were playing on the playground and we grabbed some free books from I don't know if
[00:18:09] you've seen those little stands called The Free Little Library it's just kind of this
[00:18:14] community project where neighborhoods put out these little boxes where people donate books and then
[00:18:20] kids can come and grab free books so yeah pretty pretty awesome so we had grabbed four of those
[00:18:26] books which I kind of felt bad about because the sign said take a book leave a book and I
[00:18:32] didn't have any books to leave and my son really wanted the four books that we picked so
[00:18:37] felt a little guilty about that but tried to you know move past it and we from there went and we
[00:18:44] were just walking around the entire park and wrestling in the grass and just having a
[00:18:51] wonderful time and there was even a moment where my son after we had been wrestling
[00:18:59] we were in this big grassy field and he went and grabbed his new books and was like
[00:19:04] daddy read to me and he wanted to just plop down in the middle of this field and the sun had started
[00:19:10] to kind of come out and the heat had started to rise and I was like no no no like we're not going
[00:19:14] to sit in the middle of this field but I found a tree and it was just like idyllic like it was
[00:19:20] amazing you know uh this big grassy field this wonderful tree was shade and we just went and sat
[00:19:25] against the tree my back against the tree him sitting in my lap and we just started reading
[00:19:31] these books together and it was one of those rare just beautiful picture perfect moments
[00:19:37] where he wasn't squirming he wasn't distracted he just leaned back against me and we read
[00:19:44] through the four books together and after each one he would just hop up run back to the
[00:19:49] stroller which was about 10 20 feet away grab another book and rush back to me saying daddy
[00:19:55] let's read this one now and oh my gosh it was just melting my heart and so after we read the four
[00:20:02] books we ended up just sitting there just the two of us and he ended up just leaning back against
[00:20:08] me and just resting which is just if you know jack that is not normal like he wants to run
[00:20:14] around and throw things and play and jump off of things but in this moment he was so content
[00:20:21] and we just sat there listening to the wind in the trees and the birds chirping and the dogs
[00:20:28] barking and the world going by and I ended up really quickly putting on some classical music
[00:20:35] something from Claude Debussy and it was just this beautiful moment and for a few minutes it was
[00:20:42] like five whole minutes which is just for jack unheard of we just sat in silence and he held
[00:20:49] both my hands and out of nowhere he looks up at me and says daddy you're my friend and my heart just
[00:20:57] melted it was just this moment of perfect contentment he was fully at peace resting in my arms just
[00:21:05] happy to be happy to just exist alongside me and be with me and for a moment I glimpsed the
[00:21:17] love that I have with us Psalm 4610 says be still and know that I am God God isn't always looking for
[00:21:25] our activity our achievements our accomplishments sometimes he just wants to sit with us to rest
[00:21:31] to listen to the wind and feel his presence to be still and know that he is God and I'll be
[00:21:38] honest like that is so hard for me I am not a sit still kind of guy I am very all over
[00:21:45] the place I am active I'm a doer I want to connect with God by serving him and serving others
[00:21:52] and the lesson God has continued to remind me over the years is I need rest for my soul
[00:21:59] for the sake of my family for the sake of being the best husband and father and minister and just
[00:22:05] person you know Christian that I can be I have to force myself to let go of the idol
[00:22:14] of what I think my potential is and what I could accomplish and what I could do and how I could serve
[00:22:20] and help and all these things and I need to first be willing to just sit and rest with Jesus
[00:22:27] and then let him guide me and show me what what I should do next so it was this beautiful moment
[00:22:34] where I felt like God was speaking to me through just my time with my son but then I was also
[00:22:39] hit with a moment of parental irony because right after that beautiful moment where we're just sitting
[00:22:48] and resting together and experiencing one another just right after my son jumps up and runs straight
[00:22:55] towards this puddle of mud and he's ready to just plunge into it you know just hands head face
[00:23:03] first and I was able to grab him thankfully before he before he jumped in but at that exact moment I
[00:23:12] couldn't help think about how many times we do the same thing with God like we have these profound
[00:23:17] moments of connection those quiet sacred worshipful times where we feel close to him where we're
[00:23:24] resting his presence where we're at peace and then sometimes you know like days later or
[00:23:32] even hours later like we're running straight towards our own version of a mud puddle whether
[00:23:38] it's sin or distraction or rebellion we go from spiritual peace to spiritual chaos just like that
[00:23:47] and this is just the nature of the human condition the apostle Paul understood this all
[00:23:53] too well he said for I do not do the good that I want to do but the evil I do not want to do
[00:23:59] this I keep on doing as he says in roman 7 19 and that shows us I believe a beautiful
[00:24:07] unshakable truth that God's love does not change and I see this through parenthood because my love
[00:24:16] for my son is very strong when he's sitting quietly with me resting his head on my chest
[00:24:22] holding my hands saying sweet adorable things to me yeah in those moments like my love for my son
[00:24:28] is skyrocketing but you know what when my son is running towards the mud puddle or even in the
[00:24:34] moments where he's playing in the mud puddle and just making a total mess of everything and
[00:24:40] laughing at his own mess because he thinks it's so amusing in those moments my love for my son
[00:24:46] does not change one bit yeah sure I can get frustrated with him in those moments but my love
[00:24:55] for him never changes one bit I never stop loving him and I and I don't for a moment love him less
[00:25:06] and I really believe it is the same with God I think the love that God has for us is so
[00:25:13] profound that even if all of us humans tried to sit down and write books about it from now
[00:25:19] until we all drop dead like we wouldn't be able to scratch the surface of just how much he loves us
[00:25:27] I mean the Bible itself probably comes the closest Romans 5 8 says God demonstrated his love for us
[00:25:35] in this while we were still sinners Christ died for us like that's probably as close
[00:25:41] like the closest we can get is stuff that we find straight from scripture but even in that
[00:25:46] like God's love is so deep and profound that I don't think we'll fully ever understand it until
[00:25:51] we're face to face with him our love human love often waivers it can be conditional swayed by
[00:25:59] things like performance by mood by behavior by the relentless question of you know what have
[00:26:06] you done for me lately right people's love fades very often and some of you listening to this
[00:26:12] you might have experienced that whether it's a significant other or an employer or someone you
[00:26:19] thought was your friend you know this idea of what have you done for me lately we start to see
[00:26:23] that people's love can be very conditional but God's love is constant it is unchanging he loves
[00:26:32] us in our stillness and in our mess in our moments of peace but also and very importantly
[00:26:38] in our moments of rebellion martin luther once said God does not love us because we're valuable
[00:26:45] no we are valuable because God loves us and that's the heart of the gospel fatherhood is teaching me
[00:26:53] that truth in ways that I did not anticipate I'd be learning because as much as I love my son as
[00:26:59] deeply as I feel it my love for him is just a shadow a faint reflection of the way God loves me
[00:27:07] and the way God loves you and if I and all my imperfection can love my child my little son jack
[00:27:15] you know through the highs and lows through the stillness and through the mess how much more does
[00:27:21] God the perfect father love each and every one of us blows my mind it's so simple everything I've
[00:27:29] said today is probably things you've heard before in other ways but hopefully it's
[00:27:33] encouraging to you hopefully it means something I think it matters and this is the stuff I want
[00:27:37] to talk about just simple yet deeply profound theological reflections on who God is I really
[00:27:44] think that one of the most beautiful things we can do in this world is raise children
[00:27:49] and I'm so blessed by the ways God is teaching me about himself and his love
[00:27:56] and his character through these beautiful moments it's a gift it's a treasure to be able to experience
[00:28:03] these things I hope for you you understand just how much God loves you just how much he cares about
[00:28:10] you just how rich his fatherly mercy is towards you and I hope you're encouraged to draw a little
[00:28:17] bit closer to God today life is not always about the grand sweeping gestures it's about
[00:28:23] very often presence connection you know for me whether I'm teaching my son about trees or
[00:28:29] whether I'm learning from God about patience it all comes back to being together and I want to
[00:28:37] thank you for taking this moment to be with me to sit and to listen to the things that
[00:28:43] God has put on my heart I hope that they encourage you and I hope they help fill your
[00:28:48] heart with things to share with other people about who God is and how he loves I hope that those
[00:28:53] of you listening go from here just with such a strong sense of knowing how much God the
[00:28:58] father loves you how much he cares and how much he wants to meet you in small quiet yet sacred
[00:29:07] moments