Continuing on with the discussion of how to build a ministry team, in this episode of the "Lead to Serve" podcast, Pastor Ed Taylor and guest Pastor Bob Claycamp help clarify the essentials of building a ministry team and nurturing future leaders. They emphasize the importance of relationships over just using people, sharing practical strategies like assigning reading materials, personal invitations, and hands-on experiences. Pastor Ed shares about the power of affirming others with the phrase "I see in you," and highlight the significance of understanding spiritual gifts. The episode emphasizes that raising leaders is a gradual, relational process requiring time, patience, and intentionality, ultimately fostering a supportive and growth-oriented church community.
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Welcome to today's broadcast of Lead to Serve, a leadership
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podcast with Ed Taylor. Welcome to another edition of
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the Lead to Serve podcast. This is Pastor Ed Taylor from
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Calvary Church in Aurora, Co In studio with me is Pastor Bob
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Clay Camp. Welcome, Bob.
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Yeah, it's a joy to be here. We are moving forward on our
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topic today episode #6 about building a team and raising
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people up. And you know as well as I do,
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they lead to Serve podcast. This is season #7 and we have
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the archives. I think going back to at least
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season 3, maybe season 2 if you go back through.
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Those are all still posted and available if you want to catch
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up. I know some of you listen to
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social media. And again, a shout out to some
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of the groups that you lead to serve as a discipleship tool
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within your group. We want to say hey to you.
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We're thinking of you as we are talking.
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The idea of the podcast too, is just a discussion with two men.
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Sometimes me by myself or with another guest.
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But today with Bob, we're just having a talk about these
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things, talking them out loud. So they maybe the answers aren't
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so polished or they're not exact, but they are good to stir
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up love and good works and thoughts and and there are some
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real practical things we're going to share today.
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And we have for the season. I'm really enjoying the season.
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Very edifying, super encouraging.
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So let's jump right in, Bob, This is Part 2 of our time.
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Last time raising people up, we talked about a lot of the
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foundational what and we we even answered the question why we
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studied with Paul because with the phrase in the church usually
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is Paul raising up a Timothy, but he had far more men than
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Timothy. But Timothy seems to be the one
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that he spent and gave more attention to at least that is
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portrayed. So Paul raising up a Timothy we
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learned in Acts 16. What was the phrase there again,
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as you read in Acts 16. Do you still have it open?
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He said in Acts 16 that he came. It was well.
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Timothy was well spoken of by the brethren in two different
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churches. Paul wanted to have him go on
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with him. And that was the phrase, I just
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love that phrase when when Pastor Bob mentioned it, Paul,
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it's verse 3 of Acts 16. Paul wanted to have him go on
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with him and he took him. The that speaks to us of the
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significance of this is a relational method of ministry.
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Ministry is only relational. It is not transactional.
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Paul was not trying to fill a position.
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He was not trying to do something for himself.
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What he did is he saw something in Timothy and wanted to see
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more and wanted to cultivate more.
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And while a lot of this question does come up in raising up a
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team and how do I do that, and I need it, that has to be
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secondary to I need you to be all that God wants you to be.
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And if it happens to be one of the roles that you we can serve
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together, because I think we're together for a reason, then I
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have a responsibility to put you in the right place at the right
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time. Yeah, I can only think that
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this, when Timothy started with Paul, he was just taking care of
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some logistical things and helping out and like a a Deacon
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in a way. I don't think there was this
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grandiose plan in Paul's mind. And he got this vision of what
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Timothy would do. I think it was like step by
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step. I do I and, and along the way,
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learning and growing and listening and getting to know
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his background and his upbringing, his mom, his
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grandmother, learned them by name, got a relationship with
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them. It's a beautiful thing to be in
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the body of Christ. In our last episode, we remember
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we, we learned from Pastor Skip Heitzig that we are divine
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talent scouts. And what he means by that is
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that we are responsible to see and and cultivate the giftings
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that God has given to people in our in our church, in our life,
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and help them be in the right place.
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And if we used a sports analogy, that means if you're a pitcher,
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then I need you to have you on the mound.
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Yeah. I don't need to put you as a
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catcher. I mean, I could, but that's not
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where you belong. If you're a pitcher, you need to
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pitch. And if you're a catcher, you
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need to catch. And those to put a catcher on
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the mound may or may not be the right place for him, but it
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probably isn't. Pitchers be on them, belong on
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the mound, catchers behind the plate.
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It's the same in the church. Even if you know someone says I,
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I have the gift of teaching and I want to teach well that you
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can't give that away to someone that doesn't have the gift of
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teaching. It needs to be tested.
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This is if I have Timothy along. This is where the practical side
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of raising up people will come into play.
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And we'll just go through, I have a list of 10 or 11 things
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that will be helpful. And then if we have time, we'll
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even get to how to do it in the practical realm, just a real
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basic way. But we want to give some things
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that if indeed you are connecting with people.
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What do I do next? Now, before that, I just want to
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reflect. Last time we learned that there
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are two primary ways that you see people come into your life.
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You either you, they either come to you like in a church, through
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an e-mail, through a request, through a bulletin announcement.
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That's more reactive, like we're reacting and kind of waiting.
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Or you go to them, which is the exciting part.
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You're just meeting people all the time and learning about
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them, listening to them. I just love learning about what
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people do for a living. You mentioned in one of the
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illustrations, Bob, about the manager at the grocery store.
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That's what he was doing, but what he really wanted to do was
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pastor of church and he's pastoring in Idaho now and
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that's what God, but he was being developed and cultivated
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that leadership at the grocery store.
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But those are just a fascinating story just to learn what people
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do for a living, how they're trained, what their desires are.
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The going to people should be always done, whether you raise
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them up in ministry or not. But the more people you go to,
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the more people you get to partner with.
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So what do you do once you meet a person?
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What do I do? How do I do it?
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Well, after the time, I mean, really time and testing is what
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develops relationship. So it's going to take some time.
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Let's not think that I just met you, Bob, and I'm 5 minutes with
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you and I now I know where you belong.
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I don't know. It's going to take some time and
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some observation. Actually, here one of the first
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tests that we give to a person is that they wait six months.
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And if they can't wait six months to do anything in this
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church, then that they can't even pass the simplest of tests.
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Make this your church home. Wait, be patient.
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Is this really? Are you praying with people?
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Do you like you? You can see a lot.
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Yeah, and they have to also line up with your.
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Vision. The testing.
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Because even though they were used, you know, greatly at a
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previous church, vision is different than what that other
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church was. And just because they were used
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in a in a great way over at the other church is not necessarily
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a guarantee that it's going to gel.
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I mean, maybe the chemistry is wrong.
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Maybe it's just and and it takes time to find that out.
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So during that time, what do we do?
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So I'll give one and then you can, you can.
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So here's one that I do. I do this a lot.
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I give them a book to read and I say, read this book and then
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when you finish it, we'll have a we'll sit down and we'll talk
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and we'll, and I do this all the time is there's a particular
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book that we use that we buy by the case here.
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It's by Chuck Smith and it's super, super simple.
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I give it to men and women. Now, while I don't personally
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disciple women, I still use this as I deploy them within the
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ministry here and I give them that book and I tell them, read
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it right in. It's my gift to you.
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Keep it highlighted. Read it, it's yours.
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And then when you're done, come back to me and I, I, I'm, it's
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anecdotal because I never paid attention, but I'm going to say
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in the last couple years I have given fifty of those books away.
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What? How many people do you think
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have come back? I don't know.
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You would think it would be a big number.
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Oh, I would think it would be a big number.
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But in those relations, that's not the only tool I use, but it
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is a tool I use, especially if someone I don't know, I would
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say 3 or 4 if I can think of. I, I thought of one right now
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that he did come back and I gave him additional homework and he
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never came back. I haven't seen him.
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And that doesn't mean he's not around.
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I just he hasn't followed up. And so if he does follow up, I
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will say, well, bro, where you been?
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And that'll give me more information, more information
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why? Why did it take you?
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So like it's all for the point of helping them grow.
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It's not to prove anything to me.
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The the context of the book are phenomenal.
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It's they're they're great principles.
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And the secondary homework I gave him was pick three or four
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of those things that you really want to grow in and let's and
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read those again and let's really talk about them and start
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this conversation in giving a book.
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There's another thing that I do that tests and helps somebody
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prepare them because because again, when you're, I don't know
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what your capacity is, but in a church this size, I am, I am.
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And so is the pastoral staff to some degree, unable to give
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hours and hours and hours and hours of relational connection
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with people because that's what the staff gets or that's what my
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wife gets. Like you're, you're wanting to
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plug them in not only to service, but into other
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relationships. But so if, if there's somebody I
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know a little bit more about, I will give them a book that I'm
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currently reading or I'll tell them to go buy it, go buy this
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book because I'm reading it or something that's super impacted
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me spiritual leadership by Sanders or on being a servant of
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God. We whatever your go to book is
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that has formed you. Or if I'm reading something and
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it's good, hey, buy this, I'm in the middle of it, catch up to me
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and let's talk about it. And it's a tremendous test
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because if they're reading what you're reading and they're
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thinking about what you're thinking about, then God is
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already in the spirit beginning to build like mindedness and
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without anything yet, it's just the beginning formations.
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Because remember what Paul told Timothy about deacons?
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They first must be proven or tested.
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And these are little tests that are also developmental that will
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help you see what kind of relationship this person will
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have within the context of your ministry.
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So number one, I gave a book to read, whether it's the go to the
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man God uses or something I've been reading.
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It's been very, very helpful as you go through a book with a
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brother. What what's what's something
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that you have done over the years raising up?
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Well, I've also used different books, but what I ask them is I
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want you to read this chapter or these two chapters, and then I
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want you to write down what God was speaking to you about from
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the chapter. I don't want a book report.
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I just want to hear what's going on in your heart when you read
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it. And then it's due.
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Next time we get together, I want to see it.
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And then if they don't do it, that just tells me that it's not
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that important. Yeah.
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And so that, I mean, there's different things that
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communicate that you look for. And then when I'm reading what
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they say, I'm kind of getting a sense of how God is, is working
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with them, what's important to them, what's not important to
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them. And so then there's what we did
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and you know, down in Phoenix and we did this every year.
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We started a nine month ministry discipleship team where I
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selected fellas that I was watching over the year and they
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were serving, they were joyful, they were interacting with
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people, they were taking care of what was set in front, in front
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of them. And I could just sense that, you
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know, it just seems like maybe there's deeper things going on
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and the Lord wants some deeper things.
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And so I would come to them. I, I would go to them.
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I wouldn't put out a general announcement.
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I would go to them personally. And I would say, have you ever
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thought about being a, part of a, of a team?
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I want to put together A-Team to kind of pour into your lives a
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little more and kind of show you what, what ministry looks like
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behind the behind the scenes. And you go and pray about it and
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then get back with me in a, in a week or so.
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And then I to me, it was important to have both the wife
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and the and the man because I I wanted them to hear where my
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heart. Was both sounds a little deeper,
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though this isn't the first relate you.
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They're already doing something they're already doing.
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So you've got this is a secondary thing.
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So then how did you so think of one thing?
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How did the, how did they begin? Like you're, you're having to
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build a team to begin with before you take them to the next
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level of class. We have a school ministry here.
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That is, we've opened it up to the church.
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So that's a second level. But like, I'll give you another
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one. As you're thinking, not only do
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you give them a book, but you give them a Bible study that
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really impacted you. You give them something and then
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take notes on it. And that becomes the place of
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dialogue. So you're you don't have aimless
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discussions trying to figure out anything.
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But you, you meet in a book, you meet in a Bible study.
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You meet from the Bible study of the pastor.
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Yeah, we were at come to church or, you know, go to this.
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Not there should be already in church, but be in.
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I just taught a Bible study last week.
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Let's say you're the pastor. I just taught a Bible study.
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I want to see your notes and let's talk about it, what you
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get from it. And then you're drawing out from
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them relationally that you're the reading what you're reading.
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They're listening to what you're listening to.
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Are there any tools? I mean, I have a list of them.
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If I can go through them, I have a list of things that I've used
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over the years. Let's hear it.
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What if? OK, so the third one would be
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invite them to coffee. And there's no homework.
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You just like, hey, I want to get to know you.
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And I've done that many, many times.
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I've seen people like you did, just observing them with people.
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They pop up here, they pop up there.
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I see them praying over there. And hey, man, you want to
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connect? And maybe after maybe not so
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much coffee, you can go back to my office.
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We'll talk at the front of the stage and that discussion will
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tell me a lot about my observational skills, where I
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and, and I think I have good observational skills, but the
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problem is I don't always come to the right conclusions.
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And that little discussion will tell me are they A10 that I
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thought they were cuz they, or are they A1?
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But I've got to keep going. I've got to watch, I've got to
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see and I've got to act. And I'm I, I of all the people
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that I meet, like at that ratio 50 and let's say 5 respond,
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that's 10%. Yeah.
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So there's going to be a lot of people that may not be ready,
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may not be there. May we just got to be ready for
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that. Another one would be applicable
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is invite them to a prayer meeting.
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I'll see you at the prayer meeting.
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Hey, pastor, I need to meet with you and I, I got a meeting and
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they. OK, I'll see you at the prayer
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meeting Friday night. And whether, you know, if they
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show up, we get to pray together.
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And I love praying together. We just were praying.
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We've been praying together for the last few weeks in our staff
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meetings, right? And I love hearing the prayers
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of the staff because I'm hearing their heart.
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Exactly. Yeah.
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You hear something different. Yes.
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Rather than normal conversation, you hear intention, you hear
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heart, you hear priorities. I mean.
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Just this last Wednesday I we were praying and one of the
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pastors and his wife prayed and what they said move me to action
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like I I followed up with them right away.
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I did not know that they were praying for that that was going
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on and I was able to follow up with them and and having someone
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in a prayer meeting and if they pray or don't pray or you just
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learn a lot, right, You're learning how got you're learning
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about the person of how you might be able to help them.
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Another one in light of this, come and follow me is you.
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You can have them. One of the things that we do
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here at the church is we're here early to set up and we don't
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have set up like we did in the school.
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But there's always things to clean, always things to put in
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order, always trash to take out. There are always things here.
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So they the say, hey, Bob, you know, you, you really want to
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serve here? Yeah.
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Well, then come, we'll be here at 738 o'clock.
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Come and take out the trash with us.
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It's very instructive. If and tell them what you're
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doing. Come and we'll, we'll mop the
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floors together or tell them what you're doing like that's
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what you're doing. You're not, you're not making it
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up. This is what we do at 8:00.
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We we all are assignments. You know, I have to mop the
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stairs, so come and help me mop the stairs.
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Oh, oh, OK, Pastor. Yeah, I just yeah, and and it's
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just relevatory. I mean, they may not like it
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today, but after six months, God softens their heart.
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The another thing I like to do is I asked them to if they've
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been here, I asked them how long they've been here.
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Another thing I do is I use the tools here of fill out a
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ministry application that that simple, whether they do that or
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not, and then I'll follow up with the team behind the scenes.
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Hey, did so and so follow a ministry application because
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they said they wanted to serve and they said they'd do
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anything, but they can't do anything until because then
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that'll help us call their recall their their references,
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check in on them, see their doctrine.
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You got to vet you. You have to vet them.
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It mean, yeah, I mean, I there was several churches I've worked
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with and vetting wasn't properly done and it got them into
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trouble later on because they were.
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People get hurt. Yeah, people get hurt.
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Another one, another one that I love to do.
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And this is, this is key, Bob. We, we assume this.
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And I know the frustration when somebody calls me and they're
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meaning it's there's a frustration, there's a fear I'm
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doing it all, my house is suffering, all of that.
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But what's lacking and people are people.
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I know I was moved like this, so I'm saying it on myself, just
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going to someone and asking them, have they ever considered
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is powerful? Like I like I see this in you
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and have you ever considered doing more of that?
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That whether it it doesn't even matter where it's right or
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wrong, it doesn't matter. I mean, we're leaders, so we
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should be stepping into people's lives anyway.
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But if there are people that just need to be asked and when
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you ask them, it's amazing what a fire is lit within them.
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Yeah. That this was the moment they
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they have a respect for leadership.
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They have. If there's 1000 different
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reasons is not they're not all bad either, but have you and and
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there's a couple ways to approach that.
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One is to use these letters. I see.
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In you if you remember those 4 letters, those are powerful
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letters to share with someone and I'll give you I'll I'll do
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it with you right now. Bob, I see in you a great love
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for your wife and it's just the words I see this in you because
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that's what I I do. But to help me remember that
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that's a moving I, I want to and it doesn't it, this is, this is
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broader than just raising up people, but this is something
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that's stuck in my head that when I'm approaching someone, I
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want them to know that I see something positive in them.
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I want them to know that I, I really do see that gift.
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Is that what do you think your gift is?
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Well, you know, I don't even know my spiritual gift.
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Well, wouldn't you know it? I have taught through the
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spiritual gifts. You need to know your, you can
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know your gift you, you can know and I, I, I come from the
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theological school that the seven primary gifts, you have
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one of them. You can have more than one, but
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one moves you, motivates you. Go find out which one that is.
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And it'll show you where you fit in the body.
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It'll actually show you where you fit in the world, that
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motivational gift, but especially in the church.
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But I see in you very, very powerful.
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And I would say dads, they have kids, grandpas that have kids,
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you need to use those letters with your kids a lot.
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You need to use them with your wife a lot to be positive.
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Not just always, you know, I'll tell you what I see in you.
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No, no, no, no, no. This is always in the positive
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mode. And another one is the open end
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of the question. Bob, have you ever considered
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because that's directly related to your observation.
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So for example, hey, have have you ever considered going to the
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school ministry? Because that's back to your,
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your illustration of the discipleship school you had.
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Have you ever considered praying, 'cause I just see you,
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have you? I did this, I just did this
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recently. Have you ever considered being a
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part of the greeters? Because you are an amazingly
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happy person. You're always happy.
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And you know, I think you'd be great there.
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I and and I in this particular case, I not only would you be
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great there, but I would really be blessed if you are an
00:22:36
extension of the ministry here and you were one of the first
00:22:39
people that someone saw on the property.
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Have you ever considered that and letting that that invitation
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from you in particular is big. But then the question to invite
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where you've and again, I, I would say that's a little bit
00:22:54
farther along where you've seen this person for a while, but it
00:22:56
really hasn't done anything in your church that you approach
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them. Have you ever considered can you
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think of anything? When we start at our church in
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1981 in a restaurant, Cowboy Bar and Grill was what we were able
00:23:12
to use. And this this one couple older
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couple, but she was so bubbly. She just never turned it off.
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And I said, I'm I could you guys be at the front door and just
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greet people when they come in. And you know, she became a
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legend with all the people. So good.
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Sometimes she was a bit annoying because it was a bit over the
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top, but it was great. It was perfect.
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Do you have any to add to the list?
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Are there any bullet points that you can think of of how you've
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approached someone, how you, how you have connected so that that
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relationship can start as a pastor or is it?
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Well, I invite them along. Does that look like?
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If I have to do shopping for the church, something mundane or
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whatever else, Hey, let's, can you come with me?
00:24:01
Do you have a, you know, how about during your lunch hour?
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I know you're working on a job. Do you have some time during
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lunch? I've got to pick up a few
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things. I got to go to Costco or
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whatever else. Come on with me.
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And then, like you had mentioned earlier, hearing some of their
00:24:16
back story, hearing, you know, asking questions, if if you
00:24:25
could do anything, let's say money wasn't an object, what
00:24:29
what's really on your heart? If you had all the resources,
00:24:32
what would you really like to do?
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And it's kind of then, then you listen and then you see if it's
00:24:40
even in the ballpark. You know when they say, well, I
00:24:42
want to become a millionaire by the time I'm 35 and well.
00:24:47
And then you're guiding that conversation though, because
00:24:49
there's some ambition there, there's some desire there,
00:24:51
there's some business savvy that perhaps and you're guiding that
00:24:54
conversation to see if that personality can't then be taken
00:24:58
and used. You know, Paul was an angry, out
00:25:01
of control man, Saul of Tarsus, where he was wanting to destroy
00:25:05
the church, but God could see it was a nascent personality in him
00:25:10
that would not be angry, that would not put that he could use
00:25:13
for the furtherance of the gospel.
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And so you kind of move it around.
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I you, you reminded me because I used to be on the other end of
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this. I was also invited.
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I was also discipled. And you reminded me, you talked
00:25:25
about the lunch hour. But I remember times back at
00:25:28
Calvary Chapel in Downey where one of the pastors or one of the
00:25:32
leaders would invite me to do something, but it required me to
00:25:35
take a vacation day. Like I took a vacation day from
00:25:39
work instead of, you know, agreeing with my wife and her.
00:25:41
But I invested my vacation days to spend a day with the brother
00:25:45
to how he wanted help. He needed help.
00:25:47
I and he trusted me. So I came alongside of him.
00:25:49
But I invested not just a lunch hour, but I, I remember times
00:25:53
where I would invest my, my vacation days so that I can be,
00:25:57
I could be in proximity to someone that could teach me and
00:26:00
train me. And I wanted to help him.
00:26:02
Like I, I I didn't have any major ambition other than man, a
00:26:06
pastor wants me to serve. Great.
00:26:09
I'll be there. Hey, Maria has our vacation all
00:26:11
set up because that leaves us 22 vacation days or Yeah, yeah,
00:26:15
whatever it might be that I can use at my discretion that I
00:26:20
could come and have that time. Now we, we are my timer's red
00:26:24
again because we could talk about this all day.
00:26:26
But here let me give you something that I have learned
00:26:29
over the years. Again, author unknown, but it
00:26:32
doesn't matter because it's really strong principles.
00:26:36
Once you have a relationship and you connect and you really
00:26:40
believe that this person receives from you, here is the
00:26:44
process in general. It's very simple.
00:26:47
Number one, this is how this is what it looks like.
00:26:50
I do something, you watch, then we talk about it #1 I do, you
00:26:57
watch, we talk, then #2 I do, you help me, and then we talk
00:27:06
about it. So first you're watching me, but
00:27:08
secondly, now I'm inviting you to help and take some of it.
00:27:11
Then #3 you do it and I help you.
00:27:16
So you now have taken, and this is all over time.
00:27:19
I don't have a particular time frame on this, but this is all
00:27:21
over time where you do, I help. Then we talk about it, then #4
00:27:28
you do it, I watch, and then we talk about it, and then finally
00:27:34
you do it and someone else watches and it starts all over
00:27:37
again. The whole purpose of
00:27:39
discipleship, of course, is to keep giving it away.
00:27:42
The things Paul told Timothy, the things that you've learned,
00:27:45
make sure you commit to faithful men that they might teach others
00:27:48
also. That's the continual
00:27:50
discipleship. But this is the pattern.
00:27:52
You have something to do and the the big mistake, Bob and we'll
00:27:56
go through the red flashing timer here for a little bit, but
00:28:00
the big mistake I see men leaders make is that they
00:28:05
misinterpret discipleship and delegation.
00:28:08
So discipleship has this process.
00:28:10
I'm doing it, you're with me, we're going to talk, ask me
00:28:13
questions, then I'm doing it. You're helping me.
00:28:15
We're going to talk like it. This is time and I have to model
00:28:18
it for you and and explain it to you to some degree.
00:28:21
Otherwise you're never going to learn it or you're going to see
00:28:23
something in you're going to misinterpret it and do something
00:28:26
totally different. So there is a a lot of
00:28:28
connection together. But in addition, if you and this
00:28:33
is what will end the episode. But if you think that raising up
00:28:37
Timothy's and and if you right now you have in your mind, I'm
00:28:41
just going to put everybody in the right place and where they
00:28:43
belong and I'm going to go off and on my merry way.
00:28:46
You, you have completely misunderstood delegation.
00:28:51
Delegation while it expands delegation expands what you can
00:28:55
do it also double S your workload.
00:28:58
It doesn't my it you don't get half your workload even though
00:29:01
more gets done it double S and a lot of guys don't double it and
00:29:05
this is where they fail because a lot of guys and gals that
00:29:08
disciple they OK Bob and we've gone through the whole process
00:29:12
and I give it to you and then I'd never follow up with you.
00:29:15
I never, never. Delegation needs not only to be
00:29:20
instructing, but you have to then follow up to make sure it
00:29:24
was done the way you wanted it done.
00:29:27
Yeah, there's accountability. You can't really do the.
00:29:29
Accountability. And that's where it's not a
00:29:33
transaction. It's another place where more
00:29:35
the transaction is. OK, Bob, you belong there.
00:29:38
And that's what? And then I'll move on and I'll
00:29:40
go do my thing. You do your thing.
00:29:42
That's not a team. Because when you do your thing
00:29:44
and I do my thing, we as the language of ministry.
00:29:48
So we do it together. And a leader has a
00:29:50
responsibility as he's deploying and as he's discipling and as
00:29:55
he's training and as he's falling up and as he's talking
00:29:57
and as he's connecting with the flock again, remember the
00:30:00
ratios. You could ask 50 people and
00:30:02
maybe 5, but praise God for those precious five.
00:30:08
Yeah, they're, they're the ones that God has given to you as a
00:30:12
gift to serve alongside of. But it's not transactional, It's
00:30:17
relational. It's always relational.
00:30:20
You're always thinking of how you can serve them and what are
00:30:23
you training them to do. You're training them to always
00:30:25
think of what they can do to help.
00:30:27
And it multiplies where there's a church not filled with
00:30:31
selfishness, but with selflessness.
00:30:34
At least we're all trying to grow in that of what the Lord
00:30:36
has. And over time, again, you can
00:30:39
have them serve in the most mundane things, at events and
00:30:42
things. But the reality is in raising
00:30:46
people up. I think if I had to walk away
00:30:49
with anything is you have to engage people.
00:30:52
You that it. You can wait, but you're going
00:30:55
to be waiting a long time. And I think of the brother that
00:30:59
says, well, but I did that and they just left.
00:31:01
That happens. Or I did that and they got mad
00:31:04
at me. I know.
00:31:06
Yeah, they did that. And they just abandoned ship.
00:31:09
They just went to another church because I know it is normal and
00:31:16
that's why this is that's why if you also it's very helpful to
00:31:20
take the approach of this is exciting to get to know people.
00:31:24
They may not fill the needs that you need, but you are filling
00:31:27
the needs that they have as you serve them and love them and
00:31:30
care for them. Yeah, You could end up being
00:31:32
like, your calling is to be a triage unit.
00:31:36
Yeah. And then they come in, they get
00:31:38
a, they get healing enough to walk.
00:31:41
And then and then they leave and you go, what did I do wrong?
00:31:44
You just, you help them in their process.
00:31:47
It's not about you, it's about him.
00:31:49
It was hard for me. To learn that I learned that the
00:31:51
hard way here in Colorado military town, Colorado's very
00:31:56
transient people come and go. I didn't, I didn't realize the
00:32:01
pain of people coming and going, but but eventually the Lord gave
00:32:05
me this sense of Ed, I want you to serve them while you have
00:32:09
them. And then we began praying that
00:32:12
they leave stronger than when they first came, right?
00:32:15
And many do stay, but it's the ones that leave get the
00:32:18
attention because it hurts. It hurts so much.
00:32:20
It's hard. So don't lose heart, friend.
00:32:24
Remember, God is in this. He wants to use you in raising
00:32:27
people up and you can do it. So this comes to the end.
00:32:31
That was 2 episodes. I mean, we talked a lot about
00:32:34
raising up people. If you have any questions, you
00:32:36
want to clarifyoryougotascenarioemailus.ed@edtaylor.org,
00:32:43
ed@edtaylor.org, or you can text me 720-608-0012 and I'd love to
00:32:53
hear your feedback. I'd love to hear maybe some
00:32:55
things you have done that have been successful, things you've
00:32:59
done that haven't been so successful.
00:33:02
But to me, this is the fun part of ministry.
00:33:05
There are other parts of ministry that are super hard,
00:33:07
but this is the fun part, even though it is also hard.
00:33:11
It's not easy, but the wonderful people that I, that I've had the
00:33:14
privilege of serving with deployed within the ministry and
00:33:17
everything, it's been glorious. So this is the lead to Serve
00:33:20
podcast. We're finishing up yet another
00:33:22
episode. I hope it's blessed you.
00:33:24
I know it's blessed me just talking about it.
00:33:25
And this is the space I live in. And for on behalf of Pastor Bob
00:33:29
and me, Pastor Ed Taylor, until next time, the Lord bless you
00:33:34
and encourage you. And again, if you want to
00:33:36
connect with us, go to the website edtaylor.org,
00:33:41
edtaylor.org and we'll connect with you there.
00:33:44
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