How do I build a ministry team? This is one of the most requested questions. In this episode of the "Lead to Serve" podcast, Pastor Ed Taylor and guest Pastor Bob Claycamp talk about the vital topic of building a team and nurturing leaders within the church. They emphasize the importance of fostering genuine relationships over transactional interactions. Pastor Ed highlights the need to see each individual as a unique creation valued by God, while Pastor Bob shares insights on recognizing and nurturing the gifts within the church community. They stress that effective ministry is relational, focusing on serving others and helping them grow in their spiritual journeys. The episode sets the stage for future discussions on practical strategies for leadership and team-building.
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This is lead to Serve with Ed Taylor, a leadership podcast.
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Welcome to another episode of the Lead to Serve podcast with
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Pastor Ed Taylor. I'm Ed, your host for this
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podcast, along with Pastor Bob Klaykamp.
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Welcome, Bob. I appreciate it being here. 50
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plus years of ministry in a variety of different ways.
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He's such a blessing to the body of Christ and a blessing to us
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here at the church and our podcast.
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Appreciate all your response and your feedback on the podcast.
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We hear it, we pray over it, we implement it.
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You know, our goal is to help you grow in your servant
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leadership so that you will glorify God and all that you do.
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The better servant that you are, the better leader you'll become.
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And these times are designed to discuss important topics related
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to serving. Picture it this way.
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When you're listening to the podcast, you're just coming into
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the office with us and we're talking about a topic.
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We're talking out loud. They're not scripted.
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This isn't a scripted podcast, but we have some topics.
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We have some line items, We have some notes.
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More importantly, we have the Bible and the Holy Spirit.
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We have experienced some of it's very successful that has done
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great for the Kingdom of God. And we also have experience that
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are big, big mistakes that we've made that God is still used
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right because he works all things together for the good,
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for those that love him and those that are called according
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to his purpose. Our topic today I want to get
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right into is building a team, raising up servants and leaders.
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That is the number one at this point in the podcast, the number
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one requested topic, How do I raise up a team?
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I feel like I'm serving alone. Just when I raise someone up,
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they leave and on and on the list goes.
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This is applicable to a church planter, to a pastor, to a
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ministry leader, even finding coaches for your Little League
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team. There is applicable transferable
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knowledge that is going to help you and me.
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But again, our context is the Christian life of following
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Christ within the church. So a lot of our a lot of our
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illustrations will be church related.
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When I just received a request for this not too long ago, right
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after I did a discipleship on a whiteboard.
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I love doing whiteboard discipleship with our team on
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this very topic where we're talking about the significance
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and necessity of raising up a team.
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I think it's been said that no man is an island.
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We there what what's trying to be described there is you can't
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do it alone. You teamwork.
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Another phrase. It's teamwork makes the dream
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work. And and it's true.
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Like there's so much less pressure as we saw in our last
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time together when you when you have a team together.
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So let's start with #1 it's very important that you are always
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looking to pour yourself into someone else.
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I don't think it starts, Bob, with the attitude of building a
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team. I don't think that should be the
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motive that I need people to help me accomplish what God's
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called me to do. I don't think that's where it
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starts. I think we we would be skipping
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the most significant part of our Christian life, and that's
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relationship. And the relationship doesn't
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start with Bob. What can you do for me?
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The relationship always starts. What can I do for you, right?
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How can I help you? How can I serve you?
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And the great really, there's two really beautiful
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relationships in the Bible that remind me of that.
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The first one, of course, is Jesus and his disciples, his
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hand picked disciples who he chose to train, equip, deploy
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and release. And of course, Paul and Timothy
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in particular. We always use that phrase, you
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need a Timothy, you need a Timothy and you need a Paul.
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But it's not built. We can't start with building a
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team, even though that's the question of the day.
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It has to it. To me, it's a part of the heart
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where I don't, I don't want to use you.
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You're not here to forward my agenda.
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I'm here to serve you and I how can I serve?
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How can I help you? Yeah.
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You want to look to how can I help him or her find God's best
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for them? You can identify giftings, you
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can identify heart somewhat. You can identify stability,
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maturity, and as you interact with people and that means you
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have to interact with them. You don't just take a what they
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call ACV over in the UK, but a resume here and go, OK, well,
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this guy looks good. So I think I'll, I'll bring him
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in, man. OK, that might be a starting
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place, but you got to spend time with them.
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How do they react when things don't go well?
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How do they react when they're told no?
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I mean, all of a sudden character issues come out.
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We're under pressure like we talked about in the last
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podcast, but the focus is how can I help them reach more of
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what God has for them? And in I remember pastoring,
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especially down in Phoenix, where I was looking and watching
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the flock, and I'm seeing these, these individuals that are just
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pouring themselves into serving the church, serving people,
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interacting with people, talking with them, sensing their
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maturity, sensing their heart. And then I would ask him, have
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you ever thought about you, you know, having a time where we
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kind of focus more on what ministry behind the scenes looks
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like? And I'd like to involve your
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wife with that and just both of you as a team.
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You know, I want you to just to pray about it.
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And then they get back with me and say, yeah, yeah, that's
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something I'd really like. And then as you go deeper with
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it, then you discover more things.
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And gosh, one guy was a manager for a a huge grocery stain chain
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and there was like 46 employees under him.
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But he says, you know, Bob, ever since I was a little boy, I saw
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myself pastoring a small Community Church in an out of
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the way place. I'm going.
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Where did that come from? I mean, he goes, no, no, no.
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I mean, it's really strong and I'm going, well, let's let's
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think about that. Let let's go deeper with that.
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Well, at the end of the day, he ended up resigning for his job
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and he went up to the northern tip of Idaho and he's still
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there. That's great.
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And, and it's a Clark Fork ID on the very tip South of Canada
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that's great. And he's been there for years.
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And it you know, you, you just can't.
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You just have to look for things.
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Yeah, building, building a team. We'll get to some of the
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practical things a little later That will help sort out where
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someone, where someone fits and what they're giftings are.
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The, the, the, it has to begin with, you have to have a heart
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to serve people and love them and get them going where God
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wants them to be, not necessarily where you want them
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to be. If you don't start there because
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the, the pressure or the, the question can even come from a
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place of desperation where I just don't have any help.
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I need help and that's secondary.
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The need for help is always secondary for your need to be a
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faithful man or woman of God. That's helping other people get
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where they need to be. Otherwise we only see and you,
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you, you got to watch out for this.
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Don't do this to only see people as commodities instead of the
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blood bought precious men and women that God is disciple in
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and growing into the image of Christ.
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So we don't want to skip this point.
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If you're wanting to build a team, number one, you have to
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think more highly of others than you do yourself.
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And as Pastor Skip Heitzig, I picked this phrase up from him
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years ago. He says that in building a team
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or raising up a Timothy or raising up someone to serve in
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ministry to train them and help them, that you become this
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divine talent scout, which requires, just like you said,
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it's relational. It's not transactional.
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If you take a transactional approach in the ministry, you,
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you're not going to succeed. And what I mean by that is it
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doesn't mean you won't you, you may have people that I if that,
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but that's not your goal. That that's not the goal as a
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believer. We're not, we don't, we don't
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just want people to do things. We want them to fulfill God's
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will for their lives. And I always I, I've, I've
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adopted this phrase over the years when I'm appreciating like
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last night, we are, we had our our pastor who overseas the
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junior high ministry. He had mentioned this was his
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10th retreat that he's going on with the kids.
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He's taking the kids on a on a, a summer camp or whatever.
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We are a junior high retreat and he had mentioned with his wife
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that they've been there for 10 years.
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So when I came up after they finished praying, I, I just
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thank God for their ten years of faithfulness to him.
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Yes, that it wasn't 10 years of faithfulness as junior.
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That's not first that they have. They are doing what they they
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have invested their lives in all these generations of young
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people. Not for Calvary, not for Ed, not
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for a name. They have done it because they
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love God and they are serving Jesus with their gifts and
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talents. And then secondarily, we get to
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enjoy it. I have enjoyed the fruit of
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their lives over the years, just like everyone here.
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I have enjoyed the fruit of their lives.
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But my greatest success in ministry is to get someone their
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eyes on the Lord doing what God's called them to do.
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If it's going to be in proximity of me, then I get to enjoy the
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fruit of their life. But it doesn't have to be
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proximity of me. I may just be someone that's
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just passing through their lives or they're just passing through
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my life. But if I only think of the team
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first, or the leaders first, or the servants first in a church
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setting of specially, and I don't think of what God has
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called me to do to disciple them and train them in being lovers
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of God, then I'm going to fail. Yeah, and you're going to hurt
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people in the process. Very much.
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People are not commodities. This is not transactional, this
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is relational. So setting that aside, now that
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we've got that settled, we are serving Jesus by helping him,
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partnering together with Jesus in discovering the gifts and
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talents he's given to his body. Certainly he gives us the
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privilege of building a team. He gives us the privilege of
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being in and out of people's lives.
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For many of us, we are part of a team.
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We're not the key leader. We're the one serving and
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leading. For others of us, we are the
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leader in that team. But none the less, I I like the
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word team because we all have a place.
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We all have a position and I I when I think team, I think
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baseball. That's my favorite sport.
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And I always think of the baseball analogies.
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But you can use whatever analogy that you want in sports that
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we're to raise up and we'll just use the context because you
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heard this, We'll use this phrase because you hear it in
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the church a lot that you are to raise up a Timothy.
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That's how we describe discipleship and we are teaching
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other men and women how to serve God effectively on a team.
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And how do I raise people up? How do I, I'm sitting in my
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office right now, I'm sitting around, how do I raise people
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up? Nobody wants to serve.
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Nobody gives the commitment. No, but, and, and we're, we've
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got a lot of difficulties we're facing in raising up people.
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And I want, we want to give some very practical things that will
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help us in raising up a team. And we'll get to the practical
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things in a moment. But the, the, the significance
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of having people around you to serve, you need them as much as
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they need you, as we all fulfill our rules.
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And it is God's will for you not to serve alone.
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And it is God's will for you to pour yourself in.
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But again, we are not, we cannot think of this topic as
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utilitarian where I have a need and I need to fill a need, so I
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need to find a person to fill that need.
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We are discipling people. Disciple, the word means to be a
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learner. So that means if I'm discipling,
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I'm teaching. So I'm teaching men and women,
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boys and girls, how to love God and abide in Him and serve Him.
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I'm not filling roles or like you said, because it's easy to
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fit. I'm not hiring for a job.
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I'm not I'm I'm grateful for your resume because it tells me
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something about you, but I'm not hiring for a job.
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I'm I'm discovering the person that God has for a role and it's
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if we skip this piece, then we are really going to make big
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mistakes. Yeah, and and especially when
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your church is small and you don't have a lot of resources to
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draw upon, the challenge to fill roles is pressure like we talked
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about in the last one in the last podcast.
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But God has to give you the grace to develop this or to have
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that or to do this ministry. It's not that you go about to
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set it up and then ask God to bless it.
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That's the cart before the horse in a church setting.
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Well, then if I don't do it, people will leave.
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Well, OK, it may happen, but you just can't throw bodies in just
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to say you can put it on your website that you've got this
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ministry. And when when you're thinking
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about raising up a Timothy, I'm looking at the first time
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Timothy's name is mentioned in Acts 16.
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Paul, it wasn't that he was looking for a Timothy.
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He was just, he and Silas were coming across the churches that
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they'd already established. And then he ran into this young
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man named Timothy, son of a certain Jewish woman who
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believed his father was a Greek. And then it says in verse 3,
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Paul wanted to have him go on with him.
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So it was like it wasn't like he had this grand plan.
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He was just saying this kind of makes sense the time.
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So let's let's see how this works.
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Well, first of all, Tim, you have to be circumcised.
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I'm sorry. This is like this is how it's
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going to be a little rough. OK?
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But he but Timothy submitted himself, because he had that
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sense. And then it says, as they went
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through the cities, they delivered to them the decrees to
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keep, which were determined by the apostles and elders on the
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churches, were strengthened in the faith, and increased the
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number daily. And so Timothy was his traveling
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and he was learning during, I mean, hanging out with Paul was
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serious and it was dangerous. It was really you had no idea
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what Timothy had no idea what he was walking into.
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I do like that you, you, you keyed in on this and now I'm
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looking at the clock. This is definitely going to be
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two episodes. In this one, we're going to talk
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about the theory. In the next one, we'll talk
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about the significance practicalities.
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Excuse me. We'll be able to talk about the
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practicalities in the next one. But I, I like what you said.
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Can you read the verse again? He did.
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He invited Timothy to come along.
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What does the verse say exactly? All wanted to have him go on
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with him. Go on with him.
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That is the essence of most relational ministry.
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I want you to come with me, Come, come with me.
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Which leads us to the two big categories of, of how to raise
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someone up it. It has to be relational, it has
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to be together in some way, and it has to be conveying what who
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you are and who they are and what you have to add and what
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they have to receive. But there are two ways within a
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church setting, that's how we'll use this, that you are able to
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raise people up #1 they come to you and #2 you go to them.
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Number one, they come to you, which could be a bulletin
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announcement asking for help. We really need help in such and
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such a ministry. It it's people coming to you
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that that's more reactive. You have a need and you ask for
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it and it's needed that that there's no there.
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There's no yes or no or right or wrong on this.
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It's just a category. People come to you, it's
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reactive. They need to make themselves
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available. They need to hear a need.
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They're most likely they're not going to come to you and and
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present themselves to you. They're probably going to be
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reactive to something. And then secondly, you approach
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someone and which is proactive on your part.
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You are literally doing what Paul did there.
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You are coming through town and hey, come with us, come with us,
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come with us. It is more observational, like
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you had mentioned in your earlier examples.
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You're observing, you see something in someone, you start
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a conversation, you get to know them, then you begin to discover
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where their desires are. And that helps you fit them fit,
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fit them better into the place that they belong.
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And here's the thing between those two, between the most
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people, most leaders live in the number one category.
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They just sort of wait until someone comes to them and
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responds to a bulletin announcement or, you know, now
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we're sending emails out with needs and things and just
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waiting for that e-mail, waiting for that ministry application.
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Waiting, waiting, waiting where? Which does this is an area where
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many people do start serving because it's the only way they
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know, right? This is an area.
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It is a valid area. I want to be clear on that.
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However, if you really want to enjoy this process, if you
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really, really, really want to enjoy this process #2 is where
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you need to be The second category.
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Approaching people all the time in a mode of prayerful
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discovery, watching, observing, listening, inviting people to do
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things with you, which again, we'll get into the practical
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things later. But in your ministry experience,
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have you seen these two categories?
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And what are your points of view on these two categories?
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People coming to you and you're always waiting.
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You going to people but you might be even be uncertain or.
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Yeah, I think they, the first category, they come to you when
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there's a general announcement, you know, that has limited
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success, but always being on the lookout and seeing what God puts
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in front of you. I mean, the verse before the one
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ends, Acts 16, two regarding Timothy.
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So Paul and Silas are going there and then all of a sudden
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it says Timothy was well spoken of by the brethren who were at
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Lystra and Iconium. So this guy had a testimony
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already that was impacting, and that caught Paul's attention,
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but it was God who put that before him.
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And then when he found out that it was true, you know, behind
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the scenes, Paul wanted to have him go on with him.
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And so as you're looking at your ministry, which is not yours,
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but it's God's ministry, what he wants to do with you and around
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you, in you, through you, then you say, Lord, you put people in
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my life and help me to recognize how you're working in their life
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and then help me to take a risk because it was a risk.
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Yeah. You know, he was relying on
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other people. And so he's, you know, going on
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with Paul, there was going to be some rough seas.
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I mean, Timothy was with him until the very end.
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And the Bible does give us insight.
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So when you're looking at people, the Bible does give us
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insight of what to look for, the characteristics of a man or
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woman that God uses. Even in Acts 6 when it the most
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simple functional need of distributing clothing to very
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hurt, painful, upset widows, which is a very simple task in
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terms of distribution. You know you were giving out
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boxes, giving out clothes, wherever it may be, but it was
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more the the leadership of the church recognized as we all need
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to do even the most simple mundane task have significant
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spiritual significance and they they serious, let me put it that
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way, serious spiritual significance because it wasn't
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merely about giving out clothing.
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It was about loving these women and getting their eyes back on
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the Lord. So what does he say They needed
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to be full of the Holy Spirit. They they needed to be want.
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Let me look in Acts 6 wisdom say, do you have it open?
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No. OK, that's OK.
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Let's look it up. Acts 6, these are the qualities
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that they were told to be to look for in the Scriptures.
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So here it is. It says seek out from among you.
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This is Acts 63, seek out from among you 7 men.
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Good reputation. You just mentioned that.
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That's what reminded me when you said that.
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Good reputation. So that means people have
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already seen it as well full of the Holy Spirit.
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That would how do you know someone's full of the Holy
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Spirit? They, they demonstrate the fruit
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of the Spirit. That's the first thing I'm
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looking for wisdom. Have you seen them make
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decisions so that we can appoint them over this ministry and
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we'll give ourselves the prayer in the ministry of the word.
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You also have First Timothy 3. You can take the attributes of
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what an elder requires and apply them.
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They may not be in an elder role, but the character there is
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a character involved in entrusting people as you're
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building a team, being able. So you're not as you're, as
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you're interfacing with people in your church.
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Not everyone's going to serve and not everyone that you may be
00:23:47
in their life to do something else.
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That, and that's where that's where I want to warn you.
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If you get desperate and, and, and sometimes we, we really do
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need help and we circumvent the right pathway, then we're going
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to have wrong people in positions that will hurt because
00:24:05
we just want to fill a role instead of going no, God put me
00:24:08
in your life, not even for ministry.
00:24:10
He just wants you to have a prayer partner.
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So I tell what that's why I met you or God put me in your life
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because you just needed me in a season to speak a word.
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It. I know in the back of my mind
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I've got three different things I really need, but I'm meeting
00:24:24
people to serve them. I'm not meeting people to fill a
00:24:28
role. However, you will meet a lot of
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people that fill the role. Yeah, these are the
00:24:33
characteristics you're going to want to look for because you
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can't. And I love this line.
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You have a line here when we were taking notes on our topics
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that when you do entrust leadership or servanthood to
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someone, you don't give titles, but rather you're inviting them.
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You, like you said with Timothy, you're inviting them along like
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Acts 16, you're saying, come with me.
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And for us, it's a come with me to a hospital visit, joining in
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ministry. Again, we'll get to the
00:24:59
practical things in the next episode, but you're, I can't
00:25:03
emphasize this enough. I, this is probably the third
00:25:06
time I've said this that I've seen it so much, so much.
00:25:08
I made it my made the mistake myself.
00:25:11
If you treat the things of the church as transactional and not
00:25:16
relational, you will fail. Even if you fill every position,
00:25:22
even if you think your church is humming along like it needs to
00:25:25
be, this isn't a transaction. God.
00:25:27
God doesn't like, you know, just like I found you, Cha Ching.
00:25:30
I can move on to the next one, Cha Ching.
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No, no, no. This is a person, people.
00:25:35
Jesus died for people and even the world kind of sneaks in
00:25:39
this. Somehow I can see you as
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something other than you are as a blood bought man or woman of
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God. Because whenever I had problems
00:25:48
or people in I was in management, people had problems
00:25:51
with me. Where did they go?
00:25:52
They went to human resources and the human resource department is
00:26:00
the one that takes care of people, but the title of the
00:26:03
department doesn't really reflect it because they're not
00:26:05
resources. Now that you could look at it
00:26:08
from another perspective and go, well, we have resources for
00:26:10
humans, but that's really not what they're trying to describe.
00:26:14
They're trying to describe that this is the group of people
00:26:17
dedicated to helping you have peace at work because you're a
00:26:23
resource to the company. And that's that's coming to the
00:26:26
church where we, if we only view people what they can do for us,
00:26:30
we're going to fail because it's not about in the church or in
00:26:33
life, period. It's not about what people can
00:26:35
do for us. It's about what people can do
00:26:37
for the Lord. And it takes a skilled leader to
00:26:42
a skilled leader to put the right people in the right place
00:26:47
carefully and relationally. Now my timer is flashing red.
00:26:52
I knew it would because this is such a great topic.
00:26:55
So we're going to come to the end of the episode today.
00:26:58
In our next episode, we're going to talk some real
00:27:02
practicalities. We should be able to knock it
00:27:05
out in one episode, but this ends today.
00:27:08
Our our this moment, our episode #5 building a team, raising up
00:27:14
servants on the Lead to Serve podcast with Pastor Ed Taylor.
00:27:19
Ed Taylor and Bob Klaycamp are in studio talking these things
00:27:23
out. I love this.
00:27:25
I love this question. This is I love living in this
00:27:28
world. I I love seeing people be what
00:27:32
God has called them to be. And so stick around with us to
00:27:35
the next episode where we get because there's still we talked
00:27:39
a little bit about the what and the why, but now we have to talk
00:27:43
about the how. That's that.
00:27:45
That's an essence where many of the questions were, well, how do
00:27:49
I do it? And we've already talked a
00:27:50
little bit. People come to you, you go to
00:27:52
people. We'll get into that next time.
00:27:54
Give us some feedback if you have any 720-608-0012 you can
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00:28:16
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00:28:20
you want to connect with him, just go to his website,
00:28:22
bobclaycamp.com and he would love to hear from you share his
00:28:27
heart with what God's doing in his life.
00:28:30
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