In this episode of the "Lead to Serve" podcast, Pastor Ed Taylor and guest Pastor Bob discuss the pressures leaders face, particularly in ministry. Bob shares insights on dealing with peer pressure, jealousy, and FOMO (Fear of Missing Out). Ed emphasizes the importance of prayer and relying on God to navigate these challenges. Together, they highlight the need for self-awareness, spiritual reliance, and community support to manage stress and make faith-based decisions. Making decisions by faith helps keep the leader tethered to the Lord. The episode encourages leaders to embrace their pressures as opportunities for growth and deeper reliance on God. It’s an episode you don’t want to miss and will want to share.
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Here's Ed Taylor with today's episode of Lead to Serve, a
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leadership podcast. Welcome again to another episode
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of the Lead to Serve podcast with Pastor Ed Taylor.
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I'm Ed, I'm the host for today as we are well underway with
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season #7 of the Lead to Serve podcast.
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Appreciate all your response and your feedback.
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Appreciate your prayers for us as God continues to use the
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podcast around the country, even around the world.
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We have listeners all around the world in many different
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countries. I and in the last few seasons
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I've invited Pastor Bob Klaykamp into the studio with me where
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the podcast has become more of a conversation, which I really,
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really like. Bob.
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He has 50 years, 50 plus years of ministry experience.
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It all started. I'm sure you remember him living
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in a communal Christian home and believe me, there are some
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stories with that and a lots of fun stuff.
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It directly related. If you ever want to understand
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the essence or the beginnings of Calvary Chapel.
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Jesus Revolution did a fairly good job describing from Pastor
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Greg Laurie's perspective, a little glimpse of those early
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days of the revival among the hippies, of which Bob was a full
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blown hippie musician, saved living in a communal home,
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loving the Lord and serving. He also was the senior pastor at
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Calvary Chapel in North Phoenix for many, many years, then a
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missionary pastoring a church in Exeter, England, and now he's
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leading the mission assist ministries.
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And I would say in between there, he also was serving
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within the Poyman Ministries, which is basically a hard to
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help other churches and help other pastors and serve in a
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variety of ways to bring about health and strength in the local
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church. Now he's mission assist, which
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is brought into the world and he's doing a lot of work in the
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UK. I'm serving in a variety of
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different ways as well as when he's around here in Aurora.
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He adds so much to the team here and to the pulpit here.
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And and as you heard in their last episode, every once in a
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while, if you listen to Bob carefully, you're going to get a
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Bobism. And we're always enjoy Bobism's
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Bob. Welcome.
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Yeah, it's good to be here. Are you ever going to write them
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down for us or not? I don't know.
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You need to, you need to ask everyone the Bobism that they
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remember. Yeah, well.
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The first time I remember a Bobism was in your book.
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We're not going to mention it here, but it was reading your
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book on marriage. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. See, that was the first Bobism.
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But there are many more and they're they're really good.
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Today we have a new topic. We were going to do this last
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episode, but we were carried off in a really great discussion
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about age and how important you are no matter what your age is.
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But today we want to talk about the pressure of leadership
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pressure, and we want to talk about the different points of
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pressure and how to relieve them.
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There's a lot of pressure on us. And depending on your
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personality, how you deal with the pressure or how you feel the
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pressure will be different. I I happen to be you, Bob, you
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mentioned in a, a couple weeks ago in one of the episodes about
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being wound up, or I think you use the word roundup.
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Yeah. Marie, my wife tells me that I'm
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pretty. I'm wound pretty tight at times.
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My personality wise, it doesn't take much to that's just how I
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am. So when so when I feel pressure,
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I feel pretty weighty where Marie may not or I serve with a
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lot of wonderful people that aren't wound up like me or
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different personality where they just feel pressure differently.
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They respond to pressure differently.
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But and I do I I it, it's always seems to be high level for me,
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even the smallest things I have to say.
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I've improved over the years and I have learned how to abide in
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Christ. I am learning.
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I can't say I have learned. I guess I could say I've I have
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learned how to abide in Christ more so that I am taking his
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yoke upon me and not my own. But feeling pressure is a part
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of leading and serving. What are your thoughts on Just
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As We Begin? Well, there's different things
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that can pressure you. There's sometimes in your
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personality, outwardly you're pretty and easy, an easygoing
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guy, but you're still internally processing things.
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And for me, I know I'm kind of easygoing.
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I can be patient, I can put up with things.
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That doesn't mean that I'm that way on the inside.
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And it sure comes out sometimes when all of a sudden it just
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hits a boiling point and then it just explodes.
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And that's where I have to regularly, you know, repent and
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just own it and say, you know, I'm relying upon my own natural
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ability rather than the fruit of the spirit of self.
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Control very important. Lovejoy, peace, patience, kind,
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they all fit together. The I When I think of pressure,
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I think of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus being 100%
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fully man. He felt the pressure of the
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cross before the cross. He felt the pressure and the
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weight of what was about to happen.
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He in his prayer as he was crying out to the Father and and
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he's sweating like drops of blood.
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There's pressure there. Nevertheless, Lord, not my way
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at my will, but your will be done.
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Those are that's a valid first of all, I was just reminded of
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the pressure that Jesus felt, but also how he handled it, how
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he came to his father, how he expressed it to him, and then
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how he submitted to the will of the Father, submitted to the in
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our context, submitting to the situation, taking it to the
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Lord, asking, requesting, but but ultimately, my the safest
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place for me is to submit to the will of God.
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That's a choice. In whatever pressure.
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A feeling. It it is a conscious choice of
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obedience. Yeah.
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And moving forward with the reality of my life.
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So let's talk about a few things.
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Here's some pressure, different pressure points that we feel.
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And you listening, you guys listening, You might have some.
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You can always text us. Remember there's a dedicated
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number, 720-608-0012, and you can text.
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Any ideas? Maybe you have some pressure
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points as you're listening. Oh, this is what I'm feeling
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right now. This is what I'm going through.
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But the first one that is important that we talk about is
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peer pressure. Peer pressure.
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When we think of peer pressure, it almost immediately takes us
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back to high school. Well, of course, you know, I
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know what peer pressure is. We experienced peer pressure in
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high school and, and to fit in and to dress right and to be in
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the right crowd and on and on. However, peer pressure doesn't
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end in high school, right? As we have peers all throughout
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our lives and there is peer pressure, I think of with a
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pastor, I think of a pastor's peer pressure.
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That's my first thought. The peers, pastor peer pressure
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that pastor feels is that they need to do it as do something a
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certain way and they're feeling because their friends doing it
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and it's like maybe I should be doing that.
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They need to do something a certain way because they are
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being told to do that. They are given direction or
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their peer pressure really plays out.
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And I think a lot of these do some of the things that we've
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listed out, but peer pressure really plays into our lives with
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social media where we're looking at it and we're like, look what
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they're doing and I should be doing that.
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Why aren't I doing? They're so happy.
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Yeah, they look at that picture that that captures a millisecond
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of the entirety of the life. But it's real peer pressure,
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like just feeling. You get a phone call from a
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friend and said you got to do this and you should do that.
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How have you? What do you think about when you
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think of peer pressure? I think of insecurity as the
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foundation. There's you.
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You, your whole identity is wrapped up in being part of the
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crowd and not standing out in an awkward way where you are a
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thought less of. And it starts with maybe
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somebody who's actually an inspiration to you, and then you
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start looking at their life. And then there's this thought
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like, I want to be like that. And so I need to do what they're
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doing so I can have the same result.
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And you've just lost perspective.
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You just completely lost the plot.
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And you now you, you, you need to to say, wait a minute, God
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doesn't need two of them. One is enough and he doesn't.
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And, and you have unique giftings that he wants to use in
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his time, in his way. And you have to stop thinking
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about what do I look like? I mean, when I went to England,
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it was just, it was just, I want to like fit in with these
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pastors, but they were all just talking to themselves.
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And I'm, I'm in this real important meeting and, and I'm
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dressed up because it was a kind of a high level thing.
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And so I took as much whatever clothes I had that were good and
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I went there and, and so I'm standing in the lobby waiting
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for the fancy dinner and just feeling like a wallflower and,
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you know, and then my phone goes off.
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But I had I had my phone set up to ring a unique ring for when
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it was the United States calling.
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Well, it was the Star Spangled Banner.
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And so I didn't turn my phone off.
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And so while we're waiting, all of a sudden my phone goes off
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and it's the Star Spangled Banner, a British thing.
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And all of a sudden everybody stops talking and looks at me
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and I'm like, I'm trying to turn it off.
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And it's like, obviously I'm not from around here.
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And you know, it's, those are good humbling times.
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It just, it's so subtle where the whole peer pressure comes
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in. It can start off with, OK, I I
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just want to serve them and I want to understand them, but
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then all of a sudden through deeper insecurities, it just
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takes another direction, insecurity.
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Is a real important topic. I think we covered it in another
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episode of of Lead to Serve, where insecurities will make an
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otherwise rational person do very irrational things.
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And that is not good for leadership.
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It will divert you and distract you from exactly what you've
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been called to do. And when I think of pressure as
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well, we, we need to remember why is it such a valid topic?
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Whether it's peer pressure or some of the other ones we're
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going to talk about, it's because this pressure in, in, in
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every sense of the word, it's pushing you away from the will
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of God. It is causing you to second
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guess the direction that God has given you, the word that he's
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spoken to you, the essence of why you exist on the earth and
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you're now the peer pressure could also be defined biblically
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as the fear of man, where you're trying to impress man, you're
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trying to make a name for yourself.
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You're trying to fit in, you're trying to assuage and comfort
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your own insecurities and feel more secure about yourself.
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And you just got to watch out for it.
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You, you can't you, you, you, you got to, to crucify that part
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of your flesh and ask the Lord to strengthen you so that you're
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not being pressured because, well, you know, if, if I don't
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do that, they won't talk to me anymore.
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Let me, let me just say maybe that you don't need them in
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their in your life. If that's the kind of friend you
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have where they're, they won't include you anymore.
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They won't because you won't do something for them.
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You, you don't you and I, we don't respond to pressure.
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We have to learn to live by being led by the Holy Spirit.
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He leads us. He doesn't God doesn't pressure
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us. So I know when I'm feeling this
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undue pressure, it's not coming from the Lord.
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Yeah, I'm not sure where it's coming from, but the first one
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yet, but the first one we talked about is peer pressure.
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Let me give you another one that's consistent with that, and
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that is the pressure of jealousy.
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Yeah. Jealousy also has a tinge of
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insecurity to it, but but you want something that someone else
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has and it moves you to try to get it.
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Have you ever experienced that? Oh, sure.
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Yeah, I remember in Phoenix I really was trying to grow the
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church, and the Lord directed me to give one of our opportunities
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to another pastor, and they ended up moving about a mile and
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a half away from us and flourishing.
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And a lot of my people in the church, well, my people, a lot
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of the people in the church went over there because it was
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exciting and there was nothing I can do about it.
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I had to lay off all my staff because we went down from 700
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people down to 180. And then I was starting to look
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for a job myself and, and there was nothing I can do to control
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it. Plus we were getting their phone
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calls because people thought we were them.
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And so that was a that was a good breaking, purifying time
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and I'm glad I went through it, but I don't want to go through
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it again. This comparison that is the
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Bible says it's not wise when we compare because we can go one of
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two ways. But when it comes to jealousy,
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we're almost always they have something better than us,
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they're doing it better than us. And then it leads into that
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discouragement. All the attacks of the enemy we
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talked about earlier in episodes where we have to be careful of
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our emotions, these emotions that it's a real feeling, but it
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doesn't not just because we're feeling it doesn't mean it's
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telling us the truth, doesn't mean that we're to act on it.
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And certainly jealousy is not going to move you in the
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direction of following the Lord. It's going to provoke your
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flesh. It is.
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It is your flesh because jealousy also prevents you from
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being happy from or with what someone else is enjoying.
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Like instead of being happy for them and celebrating with them,
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your response is jealousy. And then you then that jealousy,
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if it's nursed and it's fed, it becomes a flame of pressure to
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somehow get what you want, which isn't necessarily what God wants
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for you. And that's dangerous.
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Let me give you another one. There's a new phrase.
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I didn't know it until somebody used it with me.
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And I'm like, what does that mean?
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And he had said to me real quickly something, I forget what
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we're talking about, but he used the phrase FOMO.
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And I'm like, what is that? And the fear of missing out.
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He explained it to me. I'm like, oh, I learned
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something today. That's fear.
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It's a good word to start out with.
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If anything other than the fear of the Lord is moving you, then
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you know there's going to be undue pressure.
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You're just going to feel so the fear of missing out, like I
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should be there. I can't be it.
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It skews your decision making process.
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Absolutely, instead of. Saying I want to be where God
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wants me, which means I'm going to miss out Yeah, I I can't do
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two things at once. So if I'm in position A, then
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I'm automatically going to miss out on position BI.
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Can't be at both. But that fear of missing out
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also comes perhaps from a sense of jealousy, comparison and
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wanting in an unhealthy way everything that everyone has
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instead of being faithful with what God has called us to.
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Yeah. And it's I, I think that in the
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10 commandments, the last commandment, you shall not covet
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your neighbor's house. That's the first thing he said.
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He didn't say wife first. He said house.
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You know, you know, look at his, look at his world, you know,
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look at how his world is. And, and, and that covetousness
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comes up out of your heart, which is based on selfishness.
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And then wife comes next, because there's always somebody
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that looks better than there's always somebody better than you
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and always somebody worse than you.
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So just just stop looking around.
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And then his male servant, female servant, that's like he's
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got a business. Look at all the employees he's
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got. I, I, you know what, I'm
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struggling. And then you've got his ox,
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which is oxen donkey. That's his like his, his vehicle
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that he's driving. Anything else that's your
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neighbors. And so covetousness is at the
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core. It's, it's, it's part of the old
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man. Yes.
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And the fear of missing out. I, I look back at all the times
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I've made simple choices and it's always been FOMO, fear of
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missing out on an opportunity. If I don't take this
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opportunity, I'm going to miss out.
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Yes, and it's all that that means.
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It's all about me making the right choice at the right time
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and God come alongside and bless it.
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And I'm looking for God's blessing and not God's heart.
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Looking for God's blessing and not God's heart.
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And I would even add to that we're we're looking for self
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satisfaction over the will of God.
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I think of how many times, Bob, this has happened to me and I'm
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sure it's happened. You guys that are listening that
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I've wanted something so bad and I and not sin, not not sin,
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although I was probably full of sin, wanting it, coveting it,
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jealous of other people that got to do it, you know, maybe
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teaching or doing something that God says.
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OK, you want that? All right.
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And he opened the door and I step into it and I can think of
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one teaching episode in particular where I was given the
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chance to teach something that I really wanted.
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And and the key is this. It's not I love teaching.
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I love caring for people. But back then that particular
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episode, I just wanted to teach for the prominence.
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That's what I wanted. I wanted to be prominent.
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I wanted to teach this particular group of men this
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this way was a senior pastors conference.
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And I wanted to teach because in back then God was dealing with
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my heart. I didn't even know that that he
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wanted to humble me away from wanting to impress men because
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that's what I wanted to do. So he gave me the opportunity
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and I completely bombed. The message I'm sure was
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fruitful and I'm sure people were blessed, but very.
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Sure, I was there. Do you?
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Think it bombed bombed but I. Don't, but I did watch it online
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but I didn't. Do well.
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I went over time I it. It didn't go well from a
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execution standpoint. I'm sure the God's word doesn't
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return void and and it went well that way, but it didn't go well
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in an execution standpoint. And then afterwards there were
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people criticizing me and they would have done it better and I
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don't belong there. I remember even seeing the man,
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the pastor that invited me, very prominent pastor in our little
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family of churches. He put in writing.
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He said I should have never invited him.
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Like, Oh my, such a such a stab to my heart.
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But what what what God was doing.
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I can look back with 2020 vision now, though, is what God was
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doing. Was this Ed, you really want
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that? Yes, God, I really want it.
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All right, here have it. And then afterwards he goes so,
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So what do you think, you know, in these little conversations
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that I'm like, oh Lord, I'm so sorry.
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I didn't I, I walked in and I wasn't thinking of you and I
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wasn't thinking of the men. I mean, I was tangentially, I'm
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sure I, I wasn't a complete heathen.
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I, I, but I, but I wasn't, I wasn't the man that I am today
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in terms of like my heart is just to love and to serve and to
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care. And I still love that group of
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men. I still love and if I got
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another chance to do it, at which I do get a lot of chances,
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like my heart is just to, to love and care.
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But I can't say it was always that because I had to go through
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these experiences and the pressure.
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I put pressure on myself to impress.
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I put pressure on myself to execute and, and the and how
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much time I spent on my notes and, and the turns of phrases
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and I I put all this pressure on myself to aspire to something
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and I overlooked the God of something and that that was the
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biggest issue. Yeah, yeah, I.
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Remember the only time I I taught in front of Pastor Chuck
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was on a cruise and it was formal night and it was in a
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storm and we were in the front of the boat down in down below
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and, and, and I was, I was dressed up, Ty and all that.
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And it was my turn to teach and I was getting sick.
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I have a terrible problem with motion sickness, but I can't do
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this. This is my one opportunity.
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I thought, OK, this is I'm going to do this.
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And it's like, Lord, please, I don't want to throw up in front
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of everybody. That would just be not good.
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And so I'm, I'm really focusing, hanging on focusing.
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It's my turn. I get up there, I'm hanging on
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the pulpit and I look down at my message.
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And my three points were inward, upward and outward, which was
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like, Lord, please don't let there be an object lesson here.
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And then, and then I said, OK, I'm not going to look at Pastor
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Chuck while I teach. And then toward the end, I
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happened to glance. I don't know why I did it.
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I, I glanced and Pastor Chuck was staring at me, holding up
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one finger saying you have one minute because the guy before me
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took too much time. And so then I have to like, like
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wrap it up and, and get out of there.
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And so, I mean, there's, there's so much pressure.
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I mean, pressure will always be there in light.
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That's. Right and.
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So how you deal with it? I mean, don't don't think that
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if I if I can just live without pressure, then my life would be
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great. Stop it.
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It's it's just not reality. But now, Lord, you want to use
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even pressure in my life to do something in me.
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So help me get the right perspective be.
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Honest with the So I think the first step is you be honest that
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these things happen. They could be, it could be the
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pressure of the situation and we're not even talking sin.
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It could be your own pressure you put on yourself.
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Some of the examples that we're talking, it could be the
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pressure of a season of life. It could be health pressures.
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This is it could be ministry pressures.
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These are normal. You just need to hear out loud.
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It is normal to be feeling the pressure you're feeling in the
00:24:27
situation that you're currently in.
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It is not unusual. It doesn't make you a bad
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person. God allows these things.
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I think of throughout the scriptures the kind of pressure
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it was put on the men and women that God has used greatly.
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Sometimes it's self-imposed and we certainly don't want that.
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Sometimes it's just the circumstance.
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The first step is to take it to the Lord to be in a mode of
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living and abiding in Christ, praying, seeking, knocking.
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Also being receptive to the Lord's answer like you can get
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your you, you, you can be so caught up in the pressure of the
00:25:07
situation that you forget reality and want to come back to
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reality in the circumstances that are before us.
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But the the relief valve rest prayer worship you.
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You want to get a relief bowel or you're going to explode.
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Getting help, counsel, Right. I can't tell you how many times
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a phone call will relieve so much pressure where somebody's
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point of view is like, oh, I didn't see that.
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Yeah. Thank you, brother.
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You've given me something to think about.
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And what are your thoughts on relieving pressure as we wind
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down the episode today? Well.
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I think when when we've done pre marriage counseling, one of the
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topics we like to talk about is cultural expectations and
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pressures with the family of the person that you're thinking of
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getting married to. Because there are some family
00:26:09
cultures that are very intact and there are, it's almost an
00:26:15
honor shame if you don't do things the way our culture does
00:26:20
them, you're shaming our family. And when, when people come
00:26:26
together, I mean, it's, they're, they're in love and they're
00:26:29
getting along. But there's the reality that
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when you marry somebody, you're marrying their family as well.
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I mean, this is that reality. And so are you willing to
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understand their culture of, of the, the person that you're that
00:26:46
grew up in that and the expectations?
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What are you going to do on holidays?
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What are you going to do when children come?
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What are you going to? I mean, let's think it through.
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And that's going to be a pressure that you take before
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the Lord and saying I've got to walk in love and, and you have
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to, you have to work that out. Every situation is different,
00:27:08
every combination is different. And so pressures will always be
00:27:13
there. But the Lord has the strategy
00:27:17
for every single pressure. He.
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Does so when you come to the Lord and you lay it before Him.
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I, I, let's use your example with the family because there is
00:27:30
a lot of family pressure. Again, every time we're talking
00:27:33
about them, I'm like, man, that would be a good discussion to
00:27:35
have just family pressure, marriage pressure on on.
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But you feel the pressure. I remember feeling the pressure
00:27:42
in our family of holidays. Where would we spend holidays
00:27:45
and who would get first time and how long will we stay?
00:27:48
And the, the relief valve of that is prayer agreement with
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your spouse. Or if the, if it's not a family
00:27:57
example, you know, prayer agreement with the Lord.
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And then ultimately you end up making a decision of faith.
00:28:05
You're just going to make a decision.
00:28:07
And hopefully it all sorts out or people can smell the pressure
00:28:13
that moves you and they can put more pressure on you, manipulate
00:28:16
you to try to move you and, and you, you as you're walking in
00:28:20
the spirit. God is a great protector.
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I mean, I do, I do, I do see that in my life.
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I haven't always seen it because I, I, I acted in the flesh or I
00:28:31
acted wrongly. But when I have seen it, which
00:28:34
is more often than not, God has been very faithful to answer my
00:28:37
prayers, to give direction and to relieve the pressure.
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And I have people in my life like Marie, who responds to life
00:28:44
very differently than I do, that will talk me off the ledge or
00:28:48
give me a perspective that I'm like, yeah, you know.
00:28:52
And now that I'm getting older too, I have learned I'm just
00:28:56
going to, I've seen God faithful or I, I'm just going to this is
00:28:59
hard, this is difficult, this is challenging, but I'm generous.
00:29:04
I'm going to trust the Lord. I'm going to wait it out because
00:29:07
I know that as I waited out, God's going to give me and allow
00:29:10
the situation to be what it is instead of jumping in and making
00:29:13
it all worse and winding myself up and we're his worrying.
00:29:17
Anxiety is a big deal in my life.
00:29:19
So I tend to worry about stuff and get anxious and I can take a
00:29:22
little speck of dust and it before you know it, it's a
00:29:24
fourteener 14 feet mountain in my life.
00:29:28
And and Maurice just there like playing with the speck of dust,
00:29:31
you know, juggling it and like like she hasn't done anything
00:29:35
with it. But it's like, hey, and it's not
00:29:36
a fatalistic view. It's a faithful view.
00:29:39
Like it's not fatalistic where you just throw your hands up,
00:29:42
but rather it's an intentional position of hope and faith in a
00:29:47
God who's been faithful. Amen.
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And that will relieve the pressure.
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With that, we come to the end of another episode of Lead to
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00:30:59
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00:31:02
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00:31:05
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00:31:10
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00:31:17
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