We're back! Season 7 starts today!
Season 7 of the “Lead to Serve” podcast kicks off with host Pastor Ed Taylor and guest Bob Claycamp discussing how to handle false accusations in ministry. Spanning over 80 years of pain and ministry experience, Pastors Ed and Bob share insights on dealing with false accusations, emphasizing the importance of humility, transparency, and seeking God's perspective. They examine the emotional impact of accusations, the role of social media, and the importance of discernment in responding. Both stress the value of accountability and maintaining integrity, encouraging leaders to navigate these challenges with grace and wisdom. By the end, you will be encouraged and strengthened for these more difficult seasons of ministry.
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This is lead to Serve with Ed Taylor, a leadership podcast.
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Hey, welcome again to a brand new season of the Lead to Serve
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podcast. My name is Ed Taylor.
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I'm the pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora, Co.
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I am the host of this podcast, and we have been doing it now
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for six seasons. We're on season #7 We're so
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grateful for you, our audience. It continues to grow as you guys
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are listening, sharing radio stations are putting the podcast
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on the air and we're talking about ministry together.
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Remember, as you're as you're joining us on the podcast, it is
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like you are in our office and we're talking ministry together.
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We've got a topic, we've got some ideas and we're bouncing
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them off one another or in some episodes out.
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It'll just be me. But right now, as of this
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moment, today's season 7 episode one, joining me is Pastor Bob
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Klay Camp. Welcome, Bob.
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Yeah, it's great to be here. Bob, you've been on the podcast
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for a few seasons now. What do you think about
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podcasting and talking out loud about ministry?
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Well, you know, it, it is just a normal conversation.
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And these are topics that you, you're not only hear about, but
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you interact with people and these same topics come up and in
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their own life situation. And so you have an opportunity
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to, you know, begin to listen first of all, and then pray
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through how to start. And then you draw upon the
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scriptures that the Holy Spirit brings to your mind, as well as
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looking for not just the symptoms, but the core issues
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that are going on in the person's life, and then drawing
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upon your own life experience as well.
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Yeah, what the Lord's doing in our lives as spiritual leaders,
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and that could be spiritual leaders in the church.
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And I want to welcome everyone. I just want to give a shout out
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because I know a lot of ministry groups, a lot of churches will
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use this podcast as a discussion starter for staff meetings, for
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leadership gathering. So I just want to give you a
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shout out. If you're listening to this as a
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way to spur on love and good works, to stir up your ideas, we
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want to welcome you. We're grateful that we can speak
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into your life and ministry. But it's not just ministry and
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church, and it's certainly not just a pastor podcast.
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It's a leadership podcast. Whether you're leading at home,
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leading at church, leading at work, leading even in the
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context of serving, it's not even necessarily a major place
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of leadership. But I've always had that view.
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I've always held to the position that as Christians, we're always
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leaders. We're one step ahead.
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We're leading people to Christ, lead him to the cross, leading
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him to help. So before we jump in to today's
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topic real quick, I want to introduce Pastor Bob.
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He has 50 plus years of ministry experience.
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He's all started out living in a Christian communal home, which
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I'm sure we could probably do a whole season of podcasts of the
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Life and Times of Bob Clay Camp and all the things that he has
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experienced. He shares them with us in our
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staff meetings. And although like always
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something new, there's always some new story, which is very
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interesting. He's lived a very interesting
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life in the Lord. He's been in a band.
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I'm. Did you start that band?
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No. OK, so he was in a band and.
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BC Days. OK, we we'll start just in the
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after Christ days, but living in a Christian communal home.
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He was the founding and senior pastor Calvary Chapel in North
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Phoenix and he was a missionary in Exeter, England, which is
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actually How I Met him and to now the brand new ministry
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endeavor that he is involved in. He is the leader of the Mission
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Assist Ministries, which helps churches around the world.
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So Bob is joining me. He's got a lot of experience and
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I've had the privilege of serving the Lord for a few
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years. And we're going to jump into the
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topic. The topic today is, I guess you
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could say, what do we do when we're accused and, and maybe
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even falsely accused of something?
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You know that we've been we've been discipled, Bob, we've been
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discipled that not to defend ourselves.
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That's actually how we've been taught.
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Don't defend yourself. God will be your defense.
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And that absolute statement is not something I subscribe to.
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I don't believe that there are times I don't believe that we
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should never defend ourselves. There are times where in prayer
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and seeking the Lord, you may have to give an answer.
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You may have to answer some some false wild accusation.
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However, I have to say and it served me well in the ministry
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over the years where living a life above approach to the best
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of your ability, just living a life honoring the Lord you, you
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will have whatever people say, whatever rumor mill those around
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and just knowing you know, I'm not even going to answer that
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the Lord's going to take care of it and that has served me well.
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I do believe, however, there are times when we need to speak up
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or give an answer of some sort, which I'm sure we'll talk about
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in a minute. But how about we start with you
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need to expect that you're going to have rumors people talking
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about you false accusations. I I I was thinking on the way in
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today to the studio that the devil is the accuser of the
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brethren. So we shouldn't, Yeah, we
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shouldn't be surprised. So what do you think?
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What are your thoughts on that? Well, it's hard when you first
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received the accusation because there's a reaction, There is an
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emotional reaction. And if you're kind of an
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emotional person, then it will just ramp you up and get you
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wound up. And that's when sometimes you
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just got to wait 24 hours, take a nap or something, settle down,
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and then you have to go. First of all, how does the Lord
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see things? It has to go back to him and not
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to you. God doesn't receive rumors
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because He's a God of truth, which is really comforting
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because that's why one of the 10 commandments is you should not
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bear false witness because He knows the truth, right?
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And it's so easy to jump on the bandwagon and you hear an
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accusation of, let's say somebody important or a leader,
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and then you immediately go to the negative and saying, well, I
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thought something was going on. And and instead of you just got
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to like pull that horse back and go to the Lord and regarding you
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and you go, OK, Lord, you know the truth about me.
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And if there are things that need to be changed, you have the
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ability to do it through your nature.
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Kindness, graciousness, being merciful, being God of truth.
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You know how I process my world and you can reason with me to
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know where. Where do I start?
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But I can't just do knee jerk reactions and start defending
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myself right away. I would even say that as we
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enter into some to an the arena of ministry and ministering to
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other people, serving other people, having other people in
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our lives. This goes the context of course,
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that we're talking about is here in the church, but at work.
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This happens at work. This happens in our families
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like this. This is a common presence of
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attack in our lives that we first of all have to enter in
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very perfectly and carefully. And if we become defensive of
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something because we have to step back and go, wait a minute,
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is there anything true? Yeah.
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If we're walking in humility, which we must prayerfully,
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carefully, we're living a life of transparency and we know
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things are going to come. We can't.
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We have to train ourselves not to become defensive, to build a
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wall right away as our first, which is normal.
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Yeah, I don't know how healthy it is, but it's normal because
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nobody likes to be cute. Nobody likes to be confronted
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that nobody likes. In the day and age now where you
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have social media, it isn't. It isn't the days.
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It isn't the days where you know you have to play the phone tag
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game and you call so and so call and so and so before you know
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it. After a couple weeks, it's
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finally like social media that goes around the world in a
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millisecond and whoever's reading it and whoever sees it,
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whoever wants to receive it and it gets back to you.
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We have to stop and ask the question to ourselves first and
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foremost. Is there anything true in this?
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Do I have any kind of ownership? Is is this a misunderstanding?
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I mean, I even, I guess if you step back thinking out loud, do
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I even know the person? Because the, the day used to be
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where you'd get an anonymous letter.
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You'd get a, a little envelope on your desk, anonymous.
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No sign. You, you'd look, you immediately
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open up the envelope, look to the end.
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There's no signature and you just shred it because there's no
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relationship. There's no.
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There's no accountability either.
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Right. You don't even know who it is.
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You can't even work it out. According to the Scriptures,
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Matthew 18, Matthew 6, you, you, you don't even have any
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opportunity to work it out. And and so if in the realm of
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social media, in the, in the realm of the reality of way
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rumors and things get spread today, you're looking for
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relationship. But I just know, I just know if
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I become hyper defensive, then the Holy Spirit is definitely
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touching something in my life. Definitely touching it.
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It it may not be the the whole situation may not be what it
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what it is, what it appears, you know, in its fullness.
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But like, if I'm getting hyper defensive about it, then there
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may be something I need to take to the Lord.
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Sure. That's absolutely right.
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You look at the Psalms and how many Psalms that David wrote.
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He had to get it out to the Lord and he was brutally honest and
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maybe not so much theologically correct.
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I mean, when he says how long you going to forsake me Lord
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forever, I mean, that's not the correct.
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And but he had to get it out. And usually by the end of the
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Psalm, he's praising the Lord and he's confident for a moment,
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you know, because for David, it was like relentless and unfair
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and unjust and all the rest of it.
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And as I mentioned earlier about getting wound up quickly, that
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that's when you have to just stop because sometimes being
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overly defensive almost works against you, will always works
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against you and almost validates the accusation.
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You know, the, the reality of of defensiveness too, is we don't
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give room for the Holy Spirit to work between us because I'm
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offended or I'm hurt and it does hurt.
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So you guys listening in right now, I do want to, I do want to
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affirm that criticism, rumors, accusations, anything that would
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put you in a defensive mode, it does hurt.
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And I would even say some of you listening to to us right now,
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you're hurting and you're listening to us and trying to
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process what we're saying, trying to think it through, but
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you're thinking it through the hurt and the pain.
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It is a very painful thing to see relationships and to see
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friendships and to see people you've poured your life into.
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You have sacrificed. And I don't want to.
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I'm not trying to be overly dramatic here.
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I'm just trying to lay out a lifestyle of serving Jesus and
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pouring into lives only to see at the end that they've turned
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on you. I, I think of it could be as
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brutal as Judas. It could be the, the betrayal or
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the personal hurt that Paul felt when Demas forsook him, whatever
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that looks like. Just the very simple fact that
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Dimas didn't want to serve with him anymore or abandoned him.
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Or, and we we can see Paul had an issue with this because he
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dealt with this with John Mark too.
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When John Mark left, that wounded him and he got upset
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about it. Dimas left the later on in his
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ministry. He still has that wound that
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that wound of abandonment or people not partnering with him
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or maybe not having the same commitment.
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It is painful, but I was thinking of Psalm 35 with David
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because it's not just that God will be our defense.
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There are times when we need to speak up and the 1st place we
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need to speak up is to the Lord. Psalm 35, David responds, you
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know, it's like contend, O Lord, with those who contend with me,
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fight against those who fight against me, take up the shield
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in the buckler and arise and come to my aid there.
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There is a there is a response, a healthy response where you can
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acknowledge the criticism, you can acknowledge the the
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statements that were made that are false, completely false,
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partially false, that get under your skin because sometimes it
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it is received on a bad day. Well, yeah, if it's.
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The animals. Behind it, yes.
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Because he knows about you having a bad day, he probably
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set it up you. Know yes yeah the the bad day
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even exhaust exacerbates that. And you know the you're right,
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God doesn't I as you said earlier God doesn't receive
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rumors about us, but other people do.
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And so it can you think of a time where somebody believed a
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lie about you and it hurt you deeply.
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Well, sure. I mean, somebody comes into your
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office and this happened in in down in Phoenix and accused me
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of being a Pharisee and accused me of this, accused me of that
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and was taking people away from the church and spreading rumors
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and and that was it made me upset.
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It wasn't right. And you know, I can be, I can
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have, I have to watch my emotions because I'm, I think
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I'm more of a musician kind of feeler person and and I can get
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wound up pretty quickly without slowing down and thinking it
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through. And the Holy Spirit is really
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good at those times to say, watch it, bless those who curse
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you, do good to those who do evil, Pray for those who
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despitefully use you and persecute you.
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And I think in that process of purposing to pray for you are
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allowing the Holy Spirit to come right behind it and do a level
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of healing may not be 100% because God is working on your
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heart because there are deeper issues.
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We always have to be careful to not get legalistic and to hear
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people's heart. But at the end of the day, you
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it took a while, it took a few weeks of prayer before I was
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able to actually invite the guy back to my office so that we
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could just at least pray. And I can ask for God's blessing
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on him as he as he goes, because he left the church and took some
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people with him and. If you make a lot of decisions
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as leaders would, or you're overseeing a ministry,
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overseeing something in, the more decisions you make, the
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more open you are to be misunderstood.
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And how a person processes their misunderstanding of you could
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either lead to coming to you for clarity or accusing you or
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making up something in their minds that you're doing.
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I, I remember, I, I, I get a lot of this over the years, 25 years
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of ministry, you get double of it because you've been in
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ministry 50 plus years. But the, I remember when we
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stepped in and we were just taking a step of faith, it was a
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very public step of faith here in this church in purchasing a
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radio station. It was very expensive,
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especially in relationship to our church budget and all of
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that. It was super expensive, millions
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of dollars to buy radio station, but I and the leaders of the
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church, the elders of this church, we're convinced this was
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from the Lord. We were convinced that he opened
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the door. It was an amazing miraculous
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door to open. It was a step of faith.
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It was not even a personal decision that would affect
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people personally. Like I didn't make a mistake
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with someone. I didn't say something wrong.
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I didn't make a joke that hit wrong or hurt someone's
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feelings, which would not then be criticism.
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It would just be add you need to be, you need to watch your
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mouth. And I'm like, yes, Lord, I do
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need, I need you to guard my mouth.
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But it was, it was a step of faith.
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And I, the reason this story comes to mind is I want you to
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know you guys, they're listening that this stuff happens even
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when you don't make any mistakes like you're, you're and you have
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the accountability, you have the support, you have the life above
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reproach. And we're just taking a step of
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faith. And the accusations came in and
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they weren't many, but there were a few.
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So it was more than one that this stirred up in people.
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Well, you know, Ed, you're wasting church money.
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We could do and whatever else they had in mind instead of
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getting a radio station. And the one that stung the most,
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and I, I, I mean, it's obviously still in my mind, but it's stung
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was you're doing this for yourself and you're trying to
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make a name for yourself. And, and it was just boom, like
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it hit like, and, and I, I stopped and, you know, it was
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out. These, these were folks coming
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up to me after service. I just talked about the study
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and they're wanting to express me.
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I, I made the announcement and, and for the next few weeks, I
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had a few of these conversations that they don't really want to
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sit down with me. They just want to tell me that
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we're leaving the church because of their accusations.
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But I did I do remember it stung and I really had to sit down and
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go, OK, God am I really like is I mean, it's not with beyond the
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realm of possibility that I would somehow have some selfish
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thought and make it a church thought I could.
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So like, I wouldn't want that. I don't, I don't want that.
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But I remember the Lord was very quick to revive the truth inside
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of me. The truth.
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This was a long process. It it wasn't just an
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announcement, a 45 second two-minute announcement at a
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church service. We have been praying, knocking
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and seeking and asking for years for this because there were
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other things behind the scenes that even when you explain them,
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they, they, the folks didn't, they wanted to believe what they
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believed. And we did end up doing, We did
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end up following through and pressing through those
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accusations. We sorted them out, took them to
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the elders, make sure we're all on the same page because there
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was a greater vision that God had given us that others just
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didn't resonate with. Right away.
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And they may or may not have resonated since then.
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I hope they have, because it God has shown himself faithful in
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this step of faith, that this is what he wanted us to do.
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And this realm of stepping out in faith may not be fully
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understood. Sometimes accusations and things
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just come from a misunderstanding.
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Yeah. And you get a chance, I hope, to
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explain yourself if that's really why someone's speaking
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up. So that all along we're going to
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grow in our maturity, in our relationship with God.
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But the underlying thing that's important, I believe the
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foundational pillars is honesty, transparency, accountability,
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that we have those pillars around us that when accusations
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come, we can stand in the truth, not become defensive, process it
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in such a way of God. What do you have for me?
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Why did you allow this? I know it's an I know often
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false accusations always are from the accuser of the
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brethren. But if there's a if there's
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truth in it, if there's some truth and it was the delivery if
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it was the person maybe said the right thing the wrong way,
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possibly that we step back and go, OK, you wanting me to grow
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God, you're wanting me to humble myself.
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You're wanting me to you're wanting to show me something
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that I don't see in the delivery mechanism was just wrong.
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But this back to the beginning, I want to hear your thoughts
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because I've come to a conclusion, but I want to hear
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your thoughts. Do you still subscribe to the
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way because we were discipled similarly by basically the same
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man in his pastor Chuck Smith in the streams of various men that
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we served under. But do you subscribe to never
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defend yourself, Never speak up? No, no, I think God being our
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defense is foundational no matter what's happening.
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I mean, Romans 828, all things were together for good to those
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who love God, to those who are the called according to his
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purpose. And then the next verse has to
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do with being conformed into the image of Christ.
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And so God uses all things because he already knows what's
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coming. Even the devil's accusations and
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and attacks have to go through the Lord for his permission.
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And so how does God want to use this?
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I think that when an accusation comes against you, you have to
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discern, is this person even wanting to hear the back story?
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Because if they don't even want to hear the back story, it's
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just an attack, you know, and hurting people hurt people.
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I mean, there are times when it's just they had a bad day and
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what you said or what you did caught them off guard and, and
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they're in attack mode. I mean, I'm it happens at home.
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In any real relationship. Yeah, absolutely.
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In the closest relationship of marriage, you know, you're
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opening yourself up to your spouse in a way that you don't
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open up yourself to anybody else.
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And so because you become that vulnerable when there's an
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accusation of your motive, then there's an there's a response.
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And that's when you have to stop and say what, just like you were
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talking about what part of it might be true regarding me, not
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because you can escalate that that thing and all of a sudden,
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you know, you're in a tornado in in the house and.
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And you're consumed with pride. You're consumed with pride where
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I am right and everyone else is wrong.
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This, this really is the beginning of the downfall of any
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spiritual leader, any marriage, any relationship, a hardened
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heart where the condition of the overall church today where we
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see pastors falling or abusiveness or it starts much
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smaller. It doesn't start at the top, it
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starts much smaller and it even it can begin with this little
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area where there's self protection.
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You're, I have to say, the more you serve, the more people you
00:24:08
serve. And it's not the size of the
00:24:09
church that matters here. It's not the size of the church
00:24:13
where you're might be a pastor listening in.
00:24:15
Well, I have a really small church.
00:24:17
Well, yeah. Well, one.
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One hit in a small church could be just as devastating as one
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hit in a large church because it's a person well.
00:24:26
Yeah, and the relationships are much deeper in a smaller church.
00:24:30
They really are in many ways and the and and so I'm not
00:24:34
advocating and I wouldn't I I wouldn't encourage.
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It's a case by case. Of course, it's a case by case
00:24:39
because there were times where according to prophetic,
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according to prophecy, Jesus, he goes without a word.
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He goes without a word. He's heading to the cross
00:24:47
without a word. However, in John chapter 8, he
00:24:51
had a word. He said you belong to your
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father, the devil and you want to carry out your father's
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desire like you like, like he, he stood firm at sometimes and
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he was even strong with strong words.
00:25:04
And I, I remember an episode with strong words that I, I
00:25:08
didn't use these kind of words, but I remember God, there was a
00:25:11
situation, there were all witnesses in my office.
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We're trying to work something out.
00:25:15
A brother had brought accusations about something I
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did in ministry, not personally, but like as a leader.
00:25:21
And we had all the witnesses in there and we're all talking.
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And I just had this in the Holy Spirit put in my heart that time
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when Nehemiah, I looked down and said, you're making this up in
00:25:30
your own mind. And I, I just shared that I
00:25:33
said, Hey, we need to stop here because now you're you, you had
00:25:36
a original hurt. And that was it that, that, that
00:25:39
situation, I remember it was valid.
00:25:41
That situation itself was valid. And that's what we were trying
00:25:45
to work out. But by the end of his five
00:25:47
minute discussion, I just had to stop and go stop.
00:25:51
What what you're talking about now did not happen.
00:25:54
You are making that up in your mind.
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We got to get back to what did happen and let's see if we can
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work it out. Let's see if we can go back to
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the the hurt, the pain, the offense.
00:26:06
Because after talking about it for 5 minutes, or really we all
00:26:11
do this to some degree where we're talking about, thinking
00:26:15
about, processing about. And we have created a narrative
00:26:19
around an event that may or may not have truth to it.
00:26:24
Like we're just the event happened and then we're thinking
00:26:27
about it, thinking about it, thinking about it, thinking
00:26:29
about it, thinking about it, and then all those iterations of
00:26:31
thinking about it, It actually isn't what happened.
00:26:34
Yeah, right. We, we developed a whole
00:26:36
scenario, a whole play really, you know, Act 2 and then got the
00:26:41
whole story as unfolding because of assumptions and reconceived
00:26:47
notions, fears. I mean, all this comes in and in
00:26:54
the home of what happens is when my wife says I don't, I don't
00:27:01
like what you did. I don't think it was the right
00:27:04
way. Does Jeannie really say that?
00:27:06
Yeah, she. Yeah.
00:27:08
She's she's a lady of truth. And then what I need to do at
00:27:15
that time, not that I always do it, but what I need to do is I'm
00:27:19
saying, and you give me 24 hours just to pray over this and let's
00:27:24
talk about it again, OK? Because at least sometimes part
00:27:29
of it is that you're not even willing to listen, even
00:27:33
consider. Because when you start getting
00:27:35
defensive and it's the principle of the thing and not even the
00:27:38
issue, then you're just ramping it up and you're creating more
00:27:43
and more trouble. The principle of The thing is
00:27:47
really the I one of my favorite television shows is People's
00:27:52
Court. Liked it since I was a child.
00:27:56
It's not on anymore. Maybe in reruns in some places,
00:27:59
but probably. On YouTube.
00:28:01
The whole essence of the People's Court is they're suing
00:28:03
on principle. I mean, it's 20 bucks, 50 bucks,
00:28:07
$300.00. Judy, very similar show and the,
00:28:12
the, the principle of the thing where you're, you're just asking
00:28:17
and wanting someone to validate that you're right or wrong.
00:28:21
It's not even about the money, although money comes into play
00:28:25
and it's the probably the motivating factor that puts you
00:28:28
over the edge. But we, I, we, we, we often live
00:28:32
our lives trying to prove principles rather than living in
00:28:36
the spirit and walking in the spirit.
00:28:38
Or I was thinking People's Court would not exist if the world
00:28:42
lived by the principle that Paul wrote to the Corinthians.
00:28:46
Why won't you rather just be wronged, Right?
00:28:50
And I'll tell you why, because it stings and it hurts.
00:28:54
And I don't want to be wronged. And I, I sometimes will factor
00:28:58
in other people's wrongs toward me, toward my motive.
00:29:01
My motive is I don't want to wrong anyone, even though I have
00:29:04
wronged people. I don't want to.
00:29:06
So I judge myself on my motives, but I judge you by your actions
00:29:11
and they never match. I need to do the same thing.
00:29:13
I need to give you some space. And that's what we're asking
00:29:16
for, for someone else as well. And we're coming up to the end
00:29:19
of our episode today, but we'll pick up a little bit of this in
00:29:22
the next episode because the topics are overlapping.
00:29:26
But I, I will never really match unless I judge you or approach
00:29:31
you in the same way I approach myself.
00:29:33
And so if motives are very important to me for my actions,
00:29:36
then I also need to hear you and give you an opportunity to share
00:29:40
your heart. Because it could have just been
00:29:42
an accident. It could have just been a
00:29:44
mistake. It could have just been I did
00:29:47
it. I'm not saying I didn't do it.
00:29:49
I did it but but the motive wasn't for you to feel that way
00:29:53
or and and so looping back to accusation, I think today or or
00:29:59
rumor or offenses just as leaders as we start off our
00:30:04
season. We wanted to validate if you're
00:30:06
on the other end of of a situation like this, we're sorry
00:30:11
and you don't necessarily have to sit back and do nothing and
00:30:16
say, well, you know, God's my defender and carry that hurt.
00:30:19
Carry that pain. Let it let it stir up in you and
00:30:23
make you hard hearted. You can answer sometimes you can
00:30:29
defend the integrity of the situation.
00:30:32
Sometimes certainly Jesus did that, David did that the
00:30:35
disciples spoke up. This is not an unbiblical
00:30:39
concept to be able to speak up, to be able to obey Matthew 18 if
00:30:45
you have been offended, even as a leader, if you ever been
00:30:48
offended to call up and and share that offense.
00:30:52
And if your brother hears you, you have won your brother and
00:30:55
it's over. And the enemy doesn't get the
00:30:58
benefit of his accusation hitting the target and
00:31:02
destroying a life. And that is the whole essence of
00:31:06
this episode because we we have been taught and sometimes we
00:31:11
apply it. Just let it go, let it come, let
00:31:14
it come. They don't just get hit, hit,
00:31:15
hit, hit, hit and don't ever defend yourself.
00:31:18
And I say that there are times when you can't speak up.
00:31:20
It depends on where it came from and how don't don't jump in,
00:31:24
don't misunderstand me. Somebody shoots something on
00:31:26
social media and now you're going to answer them on social
00:31:28
media. Wrong platform.
00:31:31
Nothing good comes when you try to do that like because then you
00:31:36
got the watching world seen two Christians fight each other, you
00:31:39
know, so that's probably another discussion all together.
00:31:42
But I want to welcome you all to season 7.
00:31:45
We come to the end of episode 1. My name is Ed Taylor, I'm in
00:31:49
studio with Bob Klaykamp. We're pastors, We're we're also
00:31:53
men of God seeking to obey him and follow him and love him and
00:31:58
and lead, lead well. And we're grateful that you've
00:32:02
joined us. I know it's been a while since
00:32:03
seasons, but timing is everything.
00:32:06
So the Holy Spirit has the perfect timing.
00:32:08
We want you to contact us because most of the topics this
00:32:13
season were listener thoughts and questions because we asked
00:32:17
for you to do that. And you can text them at
00:32:19
720-608-0012. You can text that anytime or you
00:32:27
can e-mail, you can e-mail me at ed@edtaylor.org.
00:32:33
My website saidtaylor.org. Bob, you have a website Bob Clay
00:32:37
Camp dot dot com. So Bob klaycam.com we're
00:32:41
available to serve you. Pastor Bob has just launched
00:32:45
into a brand new season of ministry, ministering in Mission
00:32:49
assist I and he's doing a great work doing exactly what God has
00:32:55
called him to do in this latter season of his life.
00:32:58
So thanks again for being a part of the Lead to Serve podcast.
00:33:01
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00:33:07
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00:33:11
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