608. When I Think I'm a Failure

[00:00:04] Here's Ed Taylor with today's episode of Lead To Serve, A Leadership Podcast.

[00:00:10] Hey, welcome again to another episode of the Lead To Serve Podcast, originating right here at Calvary

[00:00:18] Church in Aurora, Colorado. We want you to connect with us, by the way, with us through the church.

[00:00:27] Calvaryco.church is our website, calvaryco.church, and we're a resourcing ministry, so if we can help

[00:00:35] you, if we can serve you, if we can encourage you, the Lead To Serve Podcast is an outgrowth,

[00:00:42] if you will, an overflow of the ministry here. I was thinking as even sitting in the studio here

[00:00:48] today with Pastor Bob Claykamp, there is such a huge team of men and women that are serving both,

[00:00:55] of course, we have a team here that's on staff, that's paid staff, and we're grateful for that,

[00:01:00] but I know some pastors listening in don't have that, but we have way more volunteers and servants

[00:01:06] that are doing what God's called them to do, that are making it possible for this podcast to be

[00:01:13] recorded. So we just want to acknowledge you. You guys listening in are part of that team,

[00:01:18] and I want to acknowledge and thank you for your faithfulness. And listening in, there'll be times

[00:01:24] where we're talking and there'll be a response, whether it's said out loud or not. Well, you know,

[00:01:30] you guys are a bigger church and we're not, but I want to help you with that concept because,

[00:01:36] yes, that's a possibility. We may have more people to serve than you have to serve,

[00:01:42] but the problems are still here. We go through the same things you go through. We face the same

[00:01:50] things you face. It's just proportionate. So there may be unique things, and I just feel like maybe

[00:01:56] this is a word from the Lord. I know this is the introduction of the podcast, but let's just jump

[00:02:00] right in. The reality is that you may have unique problems that are related to a fellowship that has

[00:02:07] less people there. That's possible, but we then have unique issues related to having more people.

[00:02:14] It's just proportionate. We're in this together and we want to be in this together. That's why

[00:02:19] we put this podcast together. Pastors, church planters, elders, deacons, Sunday school teachers,

[00:02:27] moms, dads, UPS drivers, FedEx drivers, those of you that work at Walmart faithfully and Target,

[00:02:34] and those of you that are engineers and rocket scientists and doctors and dentists all across

[00:02:39] the board, we all can learn how to be better servants in the Lord no matter where he has us

[00:02:46] because that's our goal. Our goal is to be good servant leaders because I know the better we serve

[00:02:53] the Lord, the better leader we become. And again, this is season six, Lead to Serve podcast,

[00:02:59] in studio with me, 30 plus years of ministry experience. Pastor Bob Claykamp, welcome again.

[00:03:06] Good. Great to be here.

[00:03:07] Having these conversations about ministry, having conversations about life, the last few topics

[00:03:14] that kind of go together. We were talking a couple of weeks ago about balance and how I think we need

[00:03:21] to get rid of that word and replace it. Then we talked about last time, the need for a new definition

[00:03:27] of success. And I think there was an agreement that we need to get that definition from the word of God.

[00:03:34] And the word of God says that faithfulness, Jesus said faithfulness is the measure of success.

[00:03:40] Today, we want to talk about feelings of failure, handling feelings of failure. And again,

[00:03:50] a definition of failure is important. It's interesting, Bob, that I'm just using the dictionary

[00:03:56] that's on my MacBook here. The definition, the number one definition of failure is lack of success.

[00:04:03] So that if we were to use the definition this way and let the Bible define that,

[00:04:09] then failure would be a lack of faithfulness. However, that's not quite where we want to go

[00:04:16] with the episode today, because there are many people listening to us right now, many, many,

[00:04:21] many, many that have in the past or currently now, or will in the future feel like a failure. Like,

[00:04:31] I'm just no good. I just don't do anything good. I don't do anything right. I'll never be good at this.

[00:04:39] I've been this way my whole life. I was a failure as a kid. I'm a fit. This sense of almost like taking

[00:04:47] a mistake or a willing failure, maybe a sinful failure, whatever, and associating it with the whole

[00:04:54] element, the whole area of, man, I just, I'm just never going to get it right. I, I don't do anything

[00:05:01] right. And it goes from failure to shame. So what are your thoughts as we start about talking about

[00:05:08] failure? Well, that feeling of lack of worth, because you have set up expectations for yourselves,

[00:05:19] goals for yourself that in your mind, or maybe somebody put it on you, your parents put it on

[00:05:27] you and you can't make the grade. And, and you're looking at all those things on the horizontal to

[00:05:34] different, to define your worth. And you're forgetting how Jesus sees you. And it all

[00:05:41] keeps going back to that. And even times when we do something and it just collapses,

[00:05:47] it's no surprise to God because, because he's all knowledge, he knows even the choices we're going

[00:05:54] to make. And then we say, well, why didn't he stop me? If he knew, if he knew it was going to go bad,

[00:05:58] and why didn't he stop me? Well, obviously he's chosen to use it to teach us something. And sometimes

[00:06:05] we're, we're so concerned about doing everything right the first time. We miss the whole reality

[00:06:11] of training and discipline as Hebrews 12 says. It's, I was looking up about Thomas Edison and,

[00:06:19] and I read this in response to a question about his missteps. Edison once said, I have not failed

[00:06:26] 10,000 times. I've successfully found 10,000 ways that will not work. And so, I mean, there are times,

[00:06:34] this is a whole preparation for heaven. We are here and God wants to even use our missteps, our failures

[00:06:42] to work them into the success plan that he has for us. Even the dark pieces of our life that we are so

[00:06:52] ashamed of, and what, what was I thinking? How could I have done that? Those are part of God's mosaics

[00:06:59] that he wants to take those dark pieces and make his own mosaic because the dark pieces provide

[00:07:08] perspective and depth in a, in a mosaic. If you just had nothing but white pieces or light colored

[00:07:15] pieces, sometimes it's a bit bland, but the dark pieces provide the perspective. And so rather than

[00:07:23] focusing on, I don't want to be a failure, I don't want to be a failure, you focus on, I want to do the

[00:07:29] best I can with the knowledge I have and the information I have, knowing that I could sabotage

[00:07:36] it in a second. And so I need to now just do my best and know the Lord is, is in charge.

[00:07:44] It's important that we come back to a couple of things that you just said for the sake of those

[00:07:50] listening and are thinking, well, this is my life right now. I have failed. I failed someone.

[00:07:58] I failed at something. We need to come back to the beginning of our walk with the Lord

[00:08:05] when we didn't know anything. There had to be a point in your time. That's where I want to take

[00:08:12] you back to when you didn't know anything about anything. You even forgot the service times at your

[00:08:23] local church that you had to pull out the bulletin, which you didn't even know what was a bulletin.

[00:08:28] You just took it out because you knew it had information that was given to you. You didn't

[00:08:33] even know what a bulletin was. You didn't even understand what announcements were or what worship

[00:08:39] music is. And I don't mean that you don't get the concept of them, but they didn't have the kind of

[00:08:45] meaning that they have today because everything was so brand new. Your mindset back there, and this is

[00:08:51] what you said, Bob, was we forget about the training and the discipleship and the learning part of our

[00:08:58] relationship with the Lord. At that point in the beginning, whether we knew it or not, it was all

[00:09:05] learning. Everything was new. I shared recently with our church when I was teaching that when I was born

[00:09:12] again, I didn't own a Bible. So that was the beginning. That was the starting point with me. I did not own a

[00:09:21] Bible. There wasn't a Bible in my house and I could care less until I was born again. And the pastor said,

[00:09:29] you should have a Bible. Oh, I better go get a Bible. I went down to the local Bible bookstore

[00:09:36] and I asked the guy, Hey, I just got saved. Uh, and I need a Bible. Oh, then we just got these in.

[00:09:42] These are the Bibles. This is the new popular one. This is the one I've said that. Are you sure?

[00:09:46] That's the Bible. And so I, I got two of them. I bought one for Marie and one for me, uh, in

[00:09:52] different colors and leather bound. And if this is the Bible, then this is it. Well, I take it home

[00:09:57] and I'm reading it and we're reading it like, cause the pastor told us to read it. And it was not a

[00:10:03] good Bible. I didn't. So I didn't know there were bad Bibles and good Bibles. I mean, this is my,

[00:10:10] it was a Bible that was mistranslated and gender neutral. And it was, uh, it was the beginning of

[00:10:17] progressive liberalism in that season. And, and somebody pointed out to me, I'm like, I don't even,

[00:10:23] I, I am so, uh, new. I mean, I had other descriptive words for myself, but let's keep it at,

[00:10:29] I'm so new that I don't even know what kind of Bible I can't even get that right. However,

[00:10:38] I didn't, I don't recall beating myself up and quitting and I'm going to walk away.

[00:10:43] I'm just like, I better figure out, I better get the right Bible. I, and the, the attitude was,

[00:10:48] I have a lot to learn. I have a lot to learn. I have a lot to learn, Bob. I don't know when that

[00:10:52] stopped, but it stopped somewhere. It stopped somewhere, maybe on one topic or another topic

[00:10:58] and began to accumulate where, well, I don't need to learn so much anymore because I know,

[00:11:04] I know, I know that scripture. I know that verse. I know that whatever it might be. And

[00:11:12] it suddenly gets replaced. I, I see it as well. So we, I don't want to forget the training discipleship

[00:11:17] because we're always learning, always learning. So I, you've been walking with the Lord 50 plus

[00:11:21] years. If I remember correctly, I've been walking with the Lord 30 plus years. We are still learning

[00:11:26] and still making mistakes and still blowing it. And, and we're not even talking about major sin. I mean,

[00:11:32] that's not like disqualifying sin. I don't mean that, but you could recover even from that

[00:11:37] in many ways to keep your walk with the Lord strong. I'm just talking about, you know, maybe

[00:11:43] mishandling a situation, saying something wrong, thinking something wrong, just life, not, not just

[00:11:51] all the expectations. And I, I, I appreciate, and I want you guys to listen and remember that you're

[00:11:57] still learning. You're still growing. It doesn't matter how old you are, uh, 60, 80. I mentioned

[00:12:06] again in a recent Bible study, Bob, that a church needs to teach the Bible verse by verse chapter.

[00:12:14] They don't need to use just use it. They don't need to just reference it. They don't need just

[00:12:19] to distill topics from it. We've been taught and I a hundred percent agree. And now teach others.

[00:12:25] We need to teach the Bible whole thing. And sharing with why we started, why we have a radio station in

[00:12:35] Denver, why we have teaching on all the time. And there was a sister that came up that referenced,

[00:12:40] she's, she was wanting to let me know that in the Bible teaching of our church, whether I'm in the

[00:12:45] pulpit or other, someone's there in my place that she's learned more in six months than she has in the

[00:12:52] previous. And you fill in the, I forget how many years she said that she was in another, uh,

[00:12:57] to not a mainline denominational church. Yeah. I hear that all the time that did what I said.

[00:13:02] They, they have the Bible as a prop and have Bibles, but not, not what is needed for spiritual

[00:13:09] growth. And it takes a lot for a 60, 70 year old person to say, I think I need to learn.

[00:13:16] Yeah. Failures have a lot to teach us. Um, but I also believe as we're about halfway through

[00:13:25] today, like, I also believe Bob, that we have not only a new, we need to have a new definition

[00:13:32] of failure, but we need to not explain it away. It's important that we admit that we fail

[00:13:42] and it, it's not something that we can get away from. If we're trying, we'll, I guess the only way

[00:13:50] to never fail is to never do anything, but then that in and of itself is a failure of not being

[00:13:57] faithful to the Lord, but we can't avoid failure, um, without failing. Um, what do you think about

[00:14:04] that? I think you, it's just going to be a part of our lesson or our life lesson here in preparation

[00:14:12] for heaven. I mean, Joshua did everything right. He couldn't control somebody stealing stuff from

[00:14:19] back from, uh, Jericho. He had no idea. And, uh, when everything fell apart because Achan stole the,

[00:14:28] the gold and the garments and all that and silver and hid them, um, Joshua had no clue. Well, it ended

[00:14:36] up being a failure. Um, but the Lord said, okay, deal with it, own it, um, find out who it is, uh,

[00:14:44] deal with it. And then humbly what it did is it made them more aware than they ever would have been

[00:14:52] before. And so God has this way of taking our failure when we own it and present it to him. That's

[00:15:00] a part of confession. That's a part of humbling yourself before the Lord and being reminded that

[00:15:07] you're not all that you're, you're, um, you're just, um, dependent upon him. Then he's, he's not out to,

[00:15:18] um, to condemn you and to put you under condemnation. He, he's, he's like a good coach,

[00:15:27] you might say, you know, who wants to take, okay, you're running in a way that's going to, you're

[00:15:32] never going to get a medal here the way you're running. So we're going to have to change the way

[00:15:37] you're running. And it's, it feels awkward at first, but yet he knows best. And so with the Lord,

[00:15:45] Lord, even though we set our goals and we set our preferences and we set what we think it looks

[00:15:53] like or should look like, we have to really submit all that and say, you know, Lord, I am who I am.

[00:16:01] And I am your workmanship, not my workmanship. I want to work with you, not against you.

[00:16:08] The workmanship, say that out loud. So some, it needs to be repeated.

[00:16:11] We are his workmanship, not our workmanship.

[00:16:15] I think of in the world of pastors, there's this pressure. It's, it comes both ways. It comes,

[00:16:20] um, you know, really on over the top by, by people on the platform or whatever, like just displaying

[00:16:27] all this, they define success as a big church or a big budget. And that's their, that's the world in

[00:16:33] which they're living and whether they're doing it on purpose or not, it's not, not, not for,

[00:16:37] not for us to judge. It's just happening where it seems like only those of big churches get

[00:16:42] platformed and only those of big churches are the successful ones. And I think big, you know,

[00:16:48] in our world, if we're taking our cues from the world, big is always better. More is always better.

[00:16:53] Um, and it, you know, that's who gets the attention on Instagram, the millions of followers. I mean,

[00:16:58] are they really millions of followers? I mean, what does that mean exactly? Um, it just means

[00:17:02] the world's built on, uh, popularity and they want to sell stuff. So, you know, the more bigger the

[00:17:08] number, the more they can sell and make money. It's all, but not in the, in the church. It's,

[00:17:12] it's just such a backward, um, approach to life and ministry. If you follow the Bible,

[00:17:19] at least it feels that way. It's really not backward at all. It's God's way. But since we're

[00:17:24] in the world and we're living in the world, it feels like, yeah, this is just so counter,

[00:17:28] uh, into how we were taught. If, if you were educated in the, uh, school system, you went

[00:17:33] through the education system college wise, this is not the colleges are not teaching the Bible.

[00:17:39] So you're, you're, you're going to receive, receive, receive, receive. And then you're reading

[00:17:45] the Bible and you're like, man, what Jesus just said doesn't, that's so different. Like it's so

[00:17:51] different. How, how, how do I learn, uh, about Jesus? How do I learn? I'm worrying so much. How do I

[00:17:56] learn about worry? I don't understand. And Jesus answer, uh, go to the doctor and, and spend,

[00:18:02] you know, 10 years in counseling. That's how you can deal with your worry. No, that's not what he

[00:18:06] said. He said, Oh, here, I can almost hear, you know, come here, come here, come here. Like what,

[00:18:10] what, what, what you see the birds? Yeah. What is birds? What do you mean? Birds? I see the birds.

[00:18:16] Yeah. Well, I just want you to notice something. They're not worried. Everything they're taking,

[00:18:22] everything they ever need is taken care of. I want you to pay attention to the birds.

[00:18:25] That's how you can deal with worry. Oh, come on. Oh, but that he says, Oh, you don't, you don't

[00:18:30] believe me? No, no, I don't. No, no, no, no. I got it. Cam, I'm worried about not even understanding

[00:18:34] it. Well, here, let's take a walk. What? When are you going to explain it? Just walk with me. Calm

[00:18:40] down. Just walk with me. You can almost hear Jesus saying, look at the flowers. Oh, we're not going to

[00:18:46] do that again. Yeah. Just look at the flowers. Look at how beautiful they are. You know, Solomon,

[00:18:53] everyone in Solomon's court wasn't, didn't look as good as those flowers and what they had to do to

[00:18:59] look good. Those flowers do nothing. They just are. And for us, you know, we're in our best place when

[00:19:06] we just are not when we're doing something and that sense of failure, you know, again, one of the things,

[00:19:13] things. And I want to bring out one more thing, Bob, that you said that's so powerful. I want you

[00:19:19] to talk to it. But I think of one of the verses that I memorized early on in my walk with the Lord

[00:19:26] was in the Proverbs where it says a righteous man may fall seven times and rise again, but the wicked

[00:19:36] shall fall by calamity. So right away, I don't want to be the wicked, but then if I'm righteous and I'm

[00:19:42] falling, I'm going to get back up. And you had mentioned in your notes on this topic, you

[00:19:49] mentioned that this is a, this feeling of failure seems to be more prevalent in two personality

[00:19:57] types, those that are melancholy and those that are perfectionists. What are your thoughts on that?

[00:20:05] I think that God is the one who creates our personality and there are personalities that

[00:20:16] are absolutely a blessing when they're controlled by the Holy Spirit. When they're in the flesh,

[00:20:23] they're oppressive and they're not beneficial at all, both to the individual and to those around

[00:20:30] them. Melancholy makes you highly sensitive to things. Perfectionism, you're, you're so focused

[00:20:41] on detail that you, and everything being exactly right, that you don't get any work done. I mean,

[00:20:48] you don't hire a finished carpenter to frame a house because it'll never get done. And you don't hire a

[00:20:55] rough framer to do cabinet work because there'll be rosettes because they're just trying to get it up

[00:21:02] there. And so, um, the key is be who you are controlled by the Holy Spirit, whether you're a, um,

[00:21:14] a perfectionist or you're, um, a, um, ADHD or whatever, uh, your issues are, look,

[00:21:24] just submit yourself who you are to the, to the control of the Holy Spirit so that it can be a

[00:21:30] blessing because he'll also, I mean, part of the fruit of the Spirit is self-control. And so being,

[00:21:38] um, under the control of the Holy Spirit means there are times when you don't let that thing loose.

[00:21:44] You don't let that horse loose. You, you keep it in the stall because it's not time.

[00:21:48] Are you either one of these personalities?

[00:21:50] Uh, both of these. I have a melancholy. I'm a musician. I'm, I'm kind of an artist. And so

[00:21:57] there's that perfectionism and that sense of, uh, you know, I want to do everything right all the

[00:22:04] time and I can't.

[00:22:05] I'd probably lean more than melancholy. Uh, perfectionist was a big part of my life

[00:22:10] previously, but I think grief has cut the edge down a little bit on that. Um, but melancholy for

[00:22:16] sure. And I see a lot of leaders. This is, these are personality traits that God seems to use

[00:22:23] greatly. It almost puts you in a place of, if you allow it, a place of great dependence upon the

[00:22:28] Lord. And these failures are revelant. If you see, if you tend to see more failure in your life,

[00:22:34] it means that you're probably doing a lot, a lot, and that you're learning that, that God wants

[00:22:40] you and me to learn from these, to not repeat them again. But I would agree. I love that statement.

[00:22:47] I would agree that the melancholy, uh, and perfectionist personality see a lot more failure,

[00:22:53] especially the perfectionist, which is just really like a control thing. You're never really happy.

[00:22:58] You're never really content with what you've done. You've done your best, but you always think you

[00:23:04] can do better and you don't know where that line is to turn it off. And it's funny because with the

[00:23:09] perfectionist, you make all these revisions, all these revisions, and you still make a mistake.

[00:23:14] I mean, it should be revealing something. You keep making mistakes, mistakes, mistakes. You keep

[00:23:18] correcting your mistakes. You keep correcting you. And it, it, in, it, in and of itself, uh, becomes a

[00:23:25] burden, uh, to being faithful. Well, just think about the opposite. A type A personality who steamrolls

[00:23:32] people because they're, they're, they're, they're just driven. They're driven, they're driven,

[00:23:35] they're driven. They, but they end up steamrolling people. And, and, and you need that kind of

[00:23:41] strength and leadership when you're in a situation that you, that you have to make the hard call.

[00:23:48] But are you under control of the Holy Spirit or are you just in the flesh steamrolling people

[00:23:53] because you want your way? I mean, it's the same, it's the same issue. You, you can, and then they

[00:23:58] don't even know they're doing it. I mean, all of a sudden look behind them, there's always people

[00:24:01] flat, you know, because they've been steamrolled and you go, what's wrong with them? And there's

[00:24:06] nothing to learn. Yeah. There's a proper way to deal with our failures too, as we assess them. I

[00:24:10] mean, if there's a, if it's a sinful failure, then repentance, godly sorrow. If it is a practical

[00:24:17] failure, then assessment and looking at how we might improve. But the real solution to these feelings of

[00:24:25] failures is abiding in Christ. It's knowing our value and our worth in his eyes. It is relational,

[00:24:34] not just transactional. And that's a big deal because if we deal with every, if we handle everything

[00:24:41] transactionally, there is no end to that because we can always improve. We can always be better.

[00:24:46] But when it becomes relational, which is how it started back in the day when we didn't know anything

[00:24:52] and we are Jesus' disciple and we're following him and we are learning from him. As a matter of fact,

[00:25:00] Jesus gave us the command, come to me and learn from me. Failure is going to be one of those teachers

[00:25:07] or one of those tools that the master teacher uses. But that place of abiding where I know my worth,

[00:25:14] I know my value, I know my joy, I know that Jesus loves me, he doesn't see me for what I do, he sees me for who I

[00:25:25] am. There is no, like, slow down and come back to the Lord. Paul, which I think would encompass all the

[00:25:34] personality types we're talking about today, he would write to the Corinthians in 2 Corinthians, he says,

[00:25:40] but he who glories, let him glory in the Lord. And for he who, for not he who commends himself is

[00:25:48] approved, but whom the Lord commends. And when you and I come back to the Lord in that, we leave our

[00:25:56] transactional attitude behind us and we come back to the Lord relationally, he will commend us because

[00:26:03] he loves us and he will encourage us. And he will, you know, even as I think of an illustration with

[00:26:09] our kids, I'm sure you did this, but I helped my kids learn how to ride bikes and they fell off.

[00:26:14] They fell off. The last thing I did was run up to him and go, what kind of failure are you? What is

[00:26:18] your, I can't believe, no, it's okay. You got, you did it. You made a little bit farther. We're

[00:26:22] going to do it. Cause one day, I mean, one, and not even one day, very soon on the third or fourth

[00:26:27] or fifth or 10th try, I'm going to be holding the seat behind you. When I let go, you're going to

[00:26:33] take off because you're going to get it. And I think that's the Lord's heart for us. And it doesn't

[00:26:38] mean we're going to hit it a hundred percent of the time, but these feelings of failures,

[00:26:41] they're normal. You're not an abnormal person for feeling them, but you don't need to let them

[00:26:46] become feelings of guilt and shame. And, and, and, and just I'm worthless. Those are not true.

[00:26:55] And then you'll be living in the realm of lies and the enemy will take you away. Remember feelings.

[00:27:00] I use the phrase feelings on purpose because you may have failed, but the feelings of failure

[00:27:06] perhaps will assess failure to things that are so many things that are not failures at all.

[00:27:12] They're learning episodes or what I like. The phrase I like to use here is discipleship moment.

[00:27:17] So it's just a discipleship moment, but the feelings they're real, but remember with your

[00:27:21] feelings, they don't always tell you the truth. We need to yield our feelings to the, to the Lord

[00:27:26] in our prayer time, in our devotional time, in our moment by moment life with them. And as we abide

[00:27:32] in Christ, we get to draw on his resources. I like the phrase that Bob introduced to us,

[00:27:38] just serving and living and growing within the grace that God has given to us, the sphere of,

[00:27:45] of ministry and life that he has given to us. And, and so if you're feeling like failure and I'll just

[00:27:53] take it to the Lord. If you want prayer or insight or more resources on this, email me,

[00:27:59] ed at edtaylor.org, because we're coming up at the end of the program today as we finish another episode.

[00:28:07] Um, but these are heavy things that a half hour of discussion isn't going to completely solve,

[00:28:14] but perhaps the Holy spirit will use it to sow seeds of hope into your heart that you're not alone.

[00:28:20] Bob has felt like he's failed. I have felt like I failed. I mean, it's real failure. I mean,

[00:28:25] it's not like, uh, he's felt like he's failed, but he hasn't failed. No, we, we have failure.

[00:28:29] And then we'll sit around and feel like we failed, uh, at episode of times, but the Lord's got us

[00:28:35] through it and we get back up and we move on in the power of the Lord. We may have to go backwards.

[00:28:41] Seems to be a theme, uh, around here. I heard it on the radio again today. Remember from where you

[00:28:47] have fallen, repent, repeat the first works, um, that this is as strong as a church of Ephesus.

[00:28:54] It was in revelation. Jesus still had to tell them that you got to go back in order to go forward.

[00:29:00] You got to go back. And that's true with balance. That's true with success. That's true with failure.

[00:29:08] And in our next episode, we're going to talk about depression and discouragement. And it's true

[00:29:15] there too. So thanks for joining us today. My name is Ed Taylor. This is the lead to serve podcast

[00:29:20] in studio for season six is pastor Bob clay camp. We're talking about life and ministry,

[00:29:26] allowing the Holy spirit to lead us and guide us. If you have any feedback, email me directly ed

[00:29:32] at ed taylor.org. You can also email Bob and his email address is Bob at Bob clay camp.com.

[00:29:41] And the end of our email addresses is also our websites. Uh, we have a website. I have a website,

[00:29:47] ed taylor.org. Bob's information can be found at Bob clay camp.com. We both serve together here at Calvary

[00:29:55] church on talking life and ministry together. Uh, the feedback of the, we keep doing podcasts

[00:30:01] because the feedback has been very, very good. Uh, and we want to talk ministry. We want to answer

[00:30:07] questions. If you have any topic ideas, a lot of these topics this season came from feedback,

[00:30:13] uh, that I'm listening and reading the feedback and what's coming in. Uh, if you have a specific

[00:30:19] topic you want us to cover, we'd love to cover it and talk about it. Um, but until next time,

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