[00:00:05] Hey friends welcome back to another episode of the In No Hurry podcast. This is your host Cole Douglas Claybourn
[00:00:15] Excited to be back with you again this week for another episode
[00:00:20] We are cruising right along the month of October. I hope wherever you are you're getting some awesome foliage
[00:00:26] We are getting some finally here in southern Kentucky. It's a little bit later than last year
[00:00:30] But nonetheless leaves are starting to change. I'm in a good mood
[00:00:33] And I think you will be too after listening to this week's episode really excited to introduce you to a new friend of mine
[00:00:39] Sarah Maddock Bell
[00:00:41] Some of you may follow her on social media
[00:00:43] and if you do you are well aware of her goofy silly songs that she creates and it's really good wholesome
[00:00:50] Funny entertainment and she's really gotten to be pretty popular over the last year or so by making these silly songs that
[00:00:57] Just have funny goofy lyrics to them
[00:01:00] But what I also really love about Sarah is just her genuine joy and
[00:01:05] positivity and I think that'll come through in the interview today
[00:01:08] But really everything she does is just out of her joy that she has for Jesus and her relationship with God. I
[00:01:14] Just really appreciate her approach because it's all about just pursuing
[00:01:18] What it is that you feel interested in pursuing and not really worrying about what others might think about it or
[00:01:26] allowing other people's opinion to
[00:01:28] shape what you do and
[00:01:31] Doing what she does and having a public social media presence
[00:01:35] She obviously gets a lot of negative comments from people and the way that she's handled that I think is really refreshing
[00:01:40] So I think you'll appreciate hearing her talk about that as well. So thanks for tuning in
[00:01:45] I hope you will enjoy this conversation with Sarah Maddock Bell
[00:01:54] Sarah welcome to the show. I'm so excited to talk with you
[00:01:57] We've been trying to schedule this for a little bit and I am super
[00:02:00] Excited to have you on how are you doing?
[00:02:03] I'm doing great. How are you doing?
[00:02:05] Doing well. Yeah, well, we're just chatting. We are both from Indiana
[00:02:09] You're from I believe the northern part of the state. Is that correct?
[00:02:12] Yeah, northwest indiana and I am from southwest indiana. So very different
[00:02:17] Cultures in northern and southern indiana from what I've gathered whenever I've traveled to the northern part of the state
[00:02:22] I used to not know that there was much past indianapolis when I was younger because I just was like
[00:02:25] Oh, that's all michigan
[00:02:26] And then now I get up there. I was just in south bend recently. I was at a Notre Dame football game
[00:02:30] So that was awesome
[00:02:32] But uh, yeah, I don't travel up to that area as much but you did go to indiana
[00:02:36] My family is all big indiana. Who's your fans? What was that experience like for you?
[00:02:41] Yeah, I mean it was all right. It's a beautiful campus
[00:02:45] I met some cool people there
[00:02:47] But when I was in college
[00:02:49] I always say this like I I feel like my college experience was more so had with an internship that I did
[00:02:54] That occupied so much of my time because I worked for this company called southwestern advantage
[00:03:00] Where you're during the summers you sell books door to door
[00:03:03] I don't know if you've heard of that. No, but it's just like this intensive
[00:03:07] door-to-door sales program
[00:03:09] That happens to have a really amazing
[00:03:12] Work culture or company culture I should say
[00:03:15] Um, anyway, so I was just like always traveling to sales meetings. It's kind of weird
[00:03:19] But that was my more so my college experience
[00:03:21] But so I don't even have that much memory about you. However, I got a journalism degree and I know that's what you do
[00:03:28] So, okay, awesome. Look at that. Did you here? We are in a podcast here
[00:03:32] We are journalism. Did you uh, did you do anything?
[00:03:35] Journalistically while you were at IU
[00:03:37] Not really. I mean just what I had to do for my classes. Okay, but the irony didn't work for the you don't work for the ideas or anything
[00:03:44] No, and truthfully
[00:03:46] I only chose journalism because I was like, I'm good with words and people
[00:03:51] Like good people skills good verbal linguistic skills. So I thought okay journalism
[00:03:56] But then I all my classes were like news and politics and I'm like, oh, I hate news and politics
[00:04:02] Dang it
[00:04:03] I had some advertising classes which that was interesting because that's like psychology
[00:04:07] Which I'm into and and more sales and business which is more my thing
[00:04:11] Uh
[00:04:13] But yeah, I mean the ironic thing is I got a c in my video class
[00:04:17] And now I do video and now that's what you do. Yeah, I even got a d on my first video project
[00:04:22] um
[00:04:23] Anyway, yeah, just send send your new stuff to your professors and be like look at me now. Look what i'm doing. I know right
[00:04:30] I'll show you you should have given me a higher grade and like you look back on the project
[00:04:34] It's like they should have given me a lower grade. It was really bad. That's awesome. What was your uh
[00:04:40] favorite and least favorite part about growing up in indiana
[00:04:43] Okay, my favorite part was
[00:04:47] I would say it was just like you have all four seasons. Yeah people are generally nice
[00:04:52] I mean just like my family is there and still there and I love that we went to turkey run state park
[00:04:57] That's a beautiful place. Yep. I've been there
[00:04:59] Yeah
[00:05:00] Um, so that's probably my favorite like it's just a nice place to live. It's like a very yeah
[00:05:05] It's not there's not a lot of downsides. Um, my least favorite part
[00:05:09] Is it's probably just how cold the winters are. I know that's a pretty cliche answer
[00:05:13] But that's something I was especially up where you live they can get pretty cold
[00:05:15] Yes, where it's right. It's right by chicago, you know, that's and I feel like the
[00:05:20] Like you mentioned like the culture of northern indiana is a lot more like illinois in michigan
[00:05:24] Yeah, where southern indiana is more like tennessee, honestly. Yeah
[00:05:28] It's interesting. Yeah, very interesting because you got the southern indiana vibe when you were at indiana
[00:05:33] I mean you're in bloomington and so it's a little bit
[00:05:36] That's I always envisioned like whenever I would think of indiana. It's like bloomington and then like brown county
[00:05:40] Which is next to it. That's always like to me is quintessential indiana. So
[00:05:44] Yeah, i'm glad i'm from southern indiana, but I do appreciate northern indiana whenever I whenever when I was looking at colleges
[00:05:49] I visited taylor university indiana westley and ball state
[00:05:53] And anderson which are all up like kind of in like northeastern ish
[00:05:56] Indiana and I was just like I really liked ball state
[00:05:59] I loved taylor taylor was just too expensive
[00:06:01] But I was like this just doesn't feel like indiana to me because i'm so used to southwestern indiana
[00:06:05] So I ended up going to college in kentucky ironically. So that's that's funny
[00:06:11] Anyway, so you're down in ashville and you're doing some cool thing you're making funny music and I
[00:06:16] I don't know how I came across your social media
[00:06:19] I just really I was like following you and I was like, oh this girl's funny
[00:06:21] And then I realized that you're christian and I was like, oh, she'd be awesome to have on the podcast
[00:06:25] So excited to talk with you about what you do and how you use your skills and your platform and things like that
[00:06:30] To share about jesus because your bio on instagram. It says, you know my joy comes from jesus and
[00:06:35] Basically you you create I guess what we'll call silly songs and they're just kind of goofy goofy lyrically
[00:06:41] And on purpose goofy like they're like meant to be really goofy and I love it because it's just
[00:06:47] It's wholesome fun and and where did this idea come from?
[00:06:50] Like when did you start doing this and how did you realize that they were
[00:06:55] resonating with people
[00:06:56] Yeah, so I grew up writing goofy poems here and there as a kid
[00:07:02] Just for fun. I was really inspired by shell silverstein. I don't know if you know, he's like where the sidewalk ends kind of poetry books
[00:07:10] Later on I was inspired by bo bernum. He does silly little songs. Yeah
[00:07:15] Little bit more vulgar. Yeah
[00:07:17] Yeah, but he's so talented and just so amusing
[00:07:22] And I was also inspired by veggie tales. Like grew up watching veggie tales silly songs with larry
[00:07:27] You know
[00:07:28] um
[00:07:29] so I did that and
[00:07:32] uh
[00:07:33] Then I started writing songs my senior year of high school
[00:07:37] Just like my first song actually was a silly song. It was a parody roasting my high school principal
[00:07:42] Because he was leaving that year. I did look this up on youtube earlier
[00:07:45] I was just like curious like what you've got on the internet beside your funny videos and I saw that one
[00:07:49] I was like, oh, this is good. Yeah. Yeah, thank you. You had some research for the podcast, you know
[00:07:54] There you go
[00:07:55] Good job props to you. Yeah, but yeah, it was it went
[00:07:59] So well like people laughed so hard and it was so scary
[00:08:04] Like I never sang in front of that many people before at all and my singing in it is like not
[00:08:09] Great and it doesn't even matter. It's just like the point is the lyrics of the song. Yeah
[00:08:14] So that was a great moment and then
[00:08:17] Uh, I worked when I worked for that company south western doing door to door book sales really random
[00:08:22] But they did a student video contest every year. So I did
[00:08:26] Silly that's when I made my first silly songs and videos, but they were about
[00:08:30] Door to door sales because they're about the company
[00:08:33] Um, but that was where I really came alive like gotten to a flow state
[00:08:38] When you when you find something where when you do it you forget to eat and you forget to use the bathroom
[00:08:43] Because you're just like so in it and so interested in it
[00:08:47] um
[00:08:48] That was a blast and people just loved them and
[00:08:51] I did too and it was like I you know, I did that for free and I spent hours and hours and hours and hours doing it
[00:08:57] um, but then when I moved to Nashville in 2019
[00:09:01] The pandemic hit I started making tiktoks for fun and I would just make goofy tiktoks. They weren't even like
[00:09:08] songs or anything um
[00:09:10] And then I found a slug on my rug April 2020
[00:09:13] And made a rap about this look and it was like hey slug are you a rug slug?
[00:09:17] Break it way into my room like you're a tough bug whatever that's my
[00:09:21] first song that or video that went viral on tiktok and
[00:09:24] Just started taking off and I was like what is happening? That's awesome
[00:09:29] Yeah, I will never forget
[00:09:32] just that happening and be barging into my living room with where my roommate was being like
[00:09:40] Um
[00:09:41] And then yeah, it just made sense. I was like wow. I love doing this
[00:09:46] I'm gonna make a ton more I can do this every day and I pretty much did every day for a while
[00:09:50] I was just I was working a nine to five sales job, but after work
[00:09:55] I was making a song on a video, you know, it's like a little 30 second thing
[00:09:59] um, yeah, and then I had several more that
[00:10:02] Uh, you know got millions of views and people were loving them and grew my platform
[00:10:07] from zero to a million
[00:10:09] on tiktok
[00:10:11] in exactly uh
[00:10:13] Well, let me rephrase
[00:10:15] I had a goal when I started when my video started going viral to hit a million followers by
[00:10:20] This year like before the end of the year and I literally hit it on new year's eve. Wow the last day of the year
[00:10:27] I was like that's like a movie. That's crazy
[00:10:29] Um, so anyway, there's some of my story
[00:10:33] That is awesome
[00:10:36] Tiktok is like the perfect platform for that stuff because there's so many just random sounds that go viral
[00:10:43] And so this is what I think happened with how I came across you
[00:10:46] So for a while I had a couple of girls that were helping me like run my social media
[00:10:50] And helping me do like some marketing and things like that to market my content as a writer and things like that
[00:10:54] And they would follow some accounts that they felt like were relevant to what I was doing
[00:10:58] And I had come across that I had heard the song that you created about the coffee shop
[00:11:02] And I was just like oh, where did that come from?
[00:11:04] And then I saw your post on instagram and I was like, oh, I'm following this person
[00:11:08] And then I was like, oh that person's following me
[00:11:09] And then I realized and I started started following your other stuff and I was like, okay, this is funny
[00:11:13] And that's how I was like, okay. I've got to get her on my podcast. So
[00:11:16] That's how that all came to be but I that's how I discovered your stuff because I was like
[00:11:19] This is a I'd seen the video I think on tiktok or something
[00:11:23] And then I realized that I was actually following you on instagram
[00:11:25] And I was like, oh I had no idea because sometimes they would follow just accounts that they felt like were relevant to me
[00:11:29] As a writer and as a christian and I wouldn't always know who they were
[00:11:32] But I would realize after the fact and so now I was like, oh i'm following her
[00:11:36] But that tiktok seems like a very
[00:11:39] Like just well tailor-made platform for some of these songs to go viral
[00:11:43] Uh, so how much did you because I downloaded tiktok?
[00:11:46] Just like a lot of people during the pandemic because I needed something to keep me entertained whenever I was at home by myself
[00:11:52] Uh
[00:11:53] Where did you have any hesitancy about going on to tiktoks? I know that there's obviously a lot of like
[00:11:57] Negative stuff and there's a lot of you know some bad rap about it
[00:12:00] But did you have any hesitancy about it and or you know, when did you start to actually fully embrace that platform?
[00:12:06] Yeah, well, I was a tiktok consumer for months
[00:12:09] I'm not sure how long I should go back and actually think about it
[00:12:11] Maybe six months where I was like i'm on this all the time. This is so fun
[00:12:15] I started following people who inspire me and I just remember thinking like
[00:12:19] I could do this like I could totally make stuff, you know, maybe even better than some of these other creators
[00:12:25] Um not saying I am better. I'm just saying I'm like I could do some of this stuff even better
[00:12:30] Um
[00:12:31] And I had no hesitancy about it
[00:12:34] Uh, I mean I was a little bit like uh overthinking my first video initially overthinking it
[00:12:40] So actually to combat that
[00:12:42] I remember I had been overthinking what my first post is going to be so much that I was like
[00:12:47] I just need to post something so I found the weirdest video I could find in my in my recent camera roll
[00:12:53] Which was a screen recording of a Marco Polo. I had sent my friend
[00:12:58] Where I was balling my eyes out
[00:13:01] Because I had just seen a video of a baby hearing for the first time when they put like the little hearing aids on a baby
[00:13:07] Who has hearing issues?
[00:13:09] And I was sobbing my face was so puffed up. I mean, I'm literally
[00:13:13] Wrecked by this video and I'm telling my friend and then I'm laughing at my I'm like a maniac in this screen recording of this
[00:13:19] Marco Polo
[00:13:20] I sent so that's my first video because I just needed to get the monkey off my back
[00:13:25] uh
[00:13:27] And I'm really glad I did that because then I was like, all right. It's like the worst thing I could have posted
[00:13:32] Anything will be better than this
[00:13:34] That's that's funny. Yeah, I've posted a few things
[00:13:37] I uh when I was a teacher I posted a little bit more because I would have funny things that my students would say
[00:13:43] and the one that went the most viral was
[00:13:46] I had a my principle was was uh observing me
[00:13:50] And that's always an nerve wracking time as a teacher and I had this class that just had a bunch of characters in it
[00:13:55] And the principle was in the class the whole day the whole class period and I'm like, you know
[00:14:00] In the flow like teaching the class and like really feeling like I'm doing a good job
[00:14:04] And I don't know where this kid just goes
[00:14:06] Hey, mr. Claybourne, do you want to know what the scientific term for a butt crack is? And I was just like
[00:14:13] Why are you asking me this with the
[00:14:15] So I made a video about that and it was like I forget how many views that they has my students found my tiktok account
[00:14:20] And they were like
[00:14:21] Oh my gosh, how did you go viral with this? I was like, I don't know people loved it
[00:14:24] So it's funny what what goes viral on tiktok and what doesn't but I was like, of course this kid would ask about
[00:14:30] The scientific term for a butt crack
[00:14:32] Yeah, wow
[00:14:33] What happened when my principal is in the room observing so I love it. Wow
[00:14:37] Well, how did you learn to like produce the music because people have asked me about this podcast
[00:14:42] How I learned how to do it? I'm like, I honestly just kind of taught myself garage band is pretty easy to use
[00:14:46] But I would not know how to produce a song
[00:14:48] And then make music videos to go along with it. So how did you teach yourself those skills or where did you learn those skills?
[00:14:55] Yeah, so it started when I actually had a producer produce a few of my regular singer-songwriter kind of songs
[00:15:02] Um, he had some studio equipment in Dallas and I would fly there
[00:15:06] We made a few like a couple eps together of non-silly songs
[00:15:11] Although he also helped me produce my
[00:15:13] Silly songs about selling books because I knew him through that thing. So anyway, um, that's where I first at least learned
[00:15:21] Like at least observed the studio
[00:15:23] Delio where it's like, okay, you press the space bar and you got to be close to the mic
[00:15:28] And what to watch out for and just like little stuff like that at least for like vocal takes, you know
[00:15:33] But any of the he did all the actual production. So for me when I was going to be producing my own stuff
[00:15:40] Because it started with like I wasn't even releasing music. I was just making like the simplest 32nd beats
[00:15:46] So I just used splice and garage band. Okay splice is like a
[00:15:51] royalty-free sample library situation
[00:15:54] Uh, and I would make some of my own sound it sounds too with like guitar clapping and snapping whatever into the mic
[00:16:02] But yeah, just just kind of taught myself. Um
[00:16:05] And I still do that super simple just splice and garage band my own sounds as well. Um, but I'm very
[00:16:14] amateur I'm not like I could not produce songs for other people. It's just like
[00:16:19] What I need to do they're very simple. I keep it simple. Yeah
[00:16:24] I uh
[00:16:25] I did this like funny like
[00:16:27] It's not really funny, but I did this like just kind of fun silly baseball podcast with my friends and I
[00:16:34] Found a beat on on garage band and then maneuvered it and I produced this beat for the intro of that show
[00:16:40] And I was like, man, I feel like I'm a music producer now
[00:16:42] But not really but that's about the extent that I that I have so yeah
[00:16:45] I
[00:16:46] Listen to people whenever they make music and I'm just like I really I wish I could do that
[00:16:49] But I know like I just don't know where to start
[00:16:51] So as simple as you are describing it
[00:16:54] I'm I'm impressed because I don't know how to do any of that. So congrats to you. Thanks
[00:16:58] So what this next part that I want to talk about
[00:17:02] And I think this is maybe where your faith and god might come into play a little bit and maybe feel free to share
[00:17:07] Your your backstory too as it relates to this
[00:17:09] But I noticed a post that you made a little bit earlier this year
[00:17:14] I guess people have left some kind of hateful comments on your videos and you know
[00:17:18] Just kind of like oh my gosh, why is this girl my feet again? And you know the typical
[00:17:21] Yeah, yeah, yeah the typical internet hatred that you see and just people that want to be ugly
[00:17:26] Especially when they have like an anonymous account and they know that you're never going to see who they are
[00:17:31] But you responded with grace and you were just kind of like
[00:17:34] You know, I'm just doing this for fun and this is you know, supposed to be joyful and things like that
[00:17:38] So when you see comments like that, I guess what how often do you get comments like that because like for me
[00:17:44] If I was to make content like you do like
[00:17:47] That would be a big the big fear of mine is like are people just gonna make fun of me
[00:17:51] Are they gonna just think that i'm goofy and it's like your whole thing is like
[00:17:54] Yeah, that's the point is for it to be goofy
[00:17:55] But other people, you know, they don't
[00:17:57] Understand that and people may still make fun of you and say nasty things
[00:18:00] So do you ever have that fear of those comments coming in when you make content?
[00:18:04] And then I guess kind of how often do you get that and how do you deal with it whenever you see it?
[00:18:09] Yeah, I love this conversation. So
[00:18:13] Frequency it's weird. It's like not that comp. It's not like on most
[00:18:17] Videos it's on more videos than it's ever than it ever has been
[00:18:20] Um ever since the coffee shop video just because that was my most viral
[00:18:24] thing and people
[00:18:26] love to hate on popular things
[00:18:29] And
[00:18:31] It sounds so weird, but like I genuinely understand why people hate on it. Like it is
[00:18:38] cheesy
[00:18:39] Cringy poppy and when I make songs
[00:18:42] I tell a husband. I'm like this song is missing the annoying factor
[00:18:46] And that's what makes songs go viral is the annoying factor when it's like stuck in your head and you're like
[00:18:51] Yeah, I can't stop singing or rapping this
[00:18:54] So
[00:18:56] It's like it's I expect it. I fully expect it and I'm people will say stuff like this is the
[00:19:01] Cheesiest cringiest thing I've ever seen and just like you said, I'm like, yeah
[00:19:06] I did that on purpose and now it is doing well
[00:19:09] And they don't all do well, but some of them do
[00:19:13] Um, so I just I just get it. I don't know
[00:19:16] And it's just I understand how easy it is to hide behind a fake account and just say whatever you want
[00:19:22] And a lot of them are troubled teens
[00:19:25] They are troubled teens who need more attention at home who feel lost and confused and
[00:19:32] Like they're just they're hurting in some way in their life. And so they're trying to in a little way that feels
[00:19:37] Like it won't have a consequence. They're trying to hurt someone else
[00:19:40] And they're also trying to get get attention on their comment
[00:19:43] Because people it feel you get a dopamine rush when you see so-and-so liked your comment or like
[00:19:48] Oh, people agree with me and think my comment is funny, you know
[00:19:52] So anyway, I just I just understand like
[00:19:55] I can never fully understand but I think I understand why like where people are coming from
[00:20:01] Whenever they post something like that
[00:20:04] But yeah and overall it's just like it doesn't it just doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter
[00:20:11] It doesn't change what I'm doing and and overwhelmingly the comments are positive
[00:20:15] I get so many more positive dms and positive comments than hit comments. And so
[00:20:21] It just it would be I would I would
[00:20:24] Be remiss to say oh, I wouldn't care if they were all hateful all the time then I'd be like
[00:20:29] Why am I doing this? Yeah, it was all like that but it's mostly positive. So the perspective
[00:20:35] the perspective thing and
[00:20:38] Yeah, God says forgive. God says be gracious. I try to do those things. So
[00:20:44] yeah
[00:20:46] Yeah, I've heard I've asked several people that have large platforms about that because
[00:20:51] A lot of times what they'll say is like they just want to be heard and they don't always mean what they say
[00:20:57] They just want to be acknowledged that you see them like for some people
[00:21:02] If they're communicating with what they would perceive as a celebrity or somebody with a large platform with you know
[00:21:07] Somebody like you that has a million followers on tiktok that they may see you as a celebrity
[00:21:11] And if they can get you to respond to them on social media
[00:21:15] It's almost just like this feeling of oh, wow. I am noticed
[00:21:18] And like you said it's almost like this in a way
[00:21:21] It's really sad of like they'd maybe don't feel noticed in their real life
[00:21:25] And so they're using social media to feel that way and so it's unfortunate but
[00:21:30] Do you ever
[00:21:31] With your with the platform that you have and maybe some of the comments that you get even the good ones
[00:21:36] Because I asked a guy you were at indiana
[00:21:39] The guy who does the music for the show used to be and he was one of the founding members of straight no chaser and so
[00:21:45] No, worry
[00:21:46] Yeah, it's so his name is ryan all war. He lives in indiana actually but he was uh, he was in
[00:21:51] I think he joined shortly after they started
[00:21:54] But he was in the group when they signed with atlantic records and were touring for a while
[00:21:58] And I asked him about this in the very first episode I did because you know, he's like look whenever you tour
[00:22:03] And you've got thousands of fans in a theater really jacks with your identity
[00:22:07] And you you basically have to really stay grounded to not let it get to your head
[00:22:10] So as your following has grown and as you've gotten positive comments and even negative comments and things like that
[00:22:16] You have more attention now and it's growing
[00:22:19] How do you balance that and make sure that your your identity doesn't get
[00:22:24] Affected in such a way to where you don't you know, you don't get conceited and you don't
[00:22:29] Get a big head about things because I think that would be
[00:22:32] A big struggle for a lot of people as their platform grows
[00:22:35] Yeah, that's a great question. Thank you
[00:22:38] um
[00:22:38] Okay, so something I talk about all the time is not taking yourself too seriously
[00:22:43] And that's not just like I have us. I'm in a silly goofy mood. Ha ha. I don't care what people think
[00:22:49] Like that's kind of part of it
[00:22:51] Um, but a big part of it is humor and humility like seeing things with a sense of humor
[00:22:56] and
[00:22:57] Having humility to see yourself in proper perspective to god
[00:23:01] So
[00:23:02] I I totally get how it could be easy
[00:23:05] To get a big head or be conceited and it definitely feels amazing when you have a video going viral and your phone is like
[00:23:11] Blowing up with notifications of people
[00:23:14] You know praising you basically
[00:23:17] um
[00:23:18] But yeah at the end of the day
[00:23:19] It's like this could disappear at any moment and then what am I left with my account could shut down
[00:23:25] People could misunderstand something I say and oh i'm cancelled
[00:23:29] Now everybody who loved me
[00:23:31] Quote now hates me quote when they don't even know me. I'm just an idea
[00:23:36] I'm just a an artist online, you know, they don't actually know who I am
[00:23:41] So I think uh not getting so consumed in work having good work-life balance like
[00:23:46] Uh, even when something is going really well
[00:23:49] I'm I'm not spending every waking moment
[00:23:52] Riding that high like it's the meaning of life, you know, it could be easy to do that
[00:23:57] But I'm like no I stop work and I go to my bible study and I hang out with my friends
[00:24:01] Who couldn't care less what met followers? I have and were friends with me before that, you know a lot of them
[00:24:09] um
[00:24:10] Yeah, so I just think it's about um
[00:24:12] Keeping god it's so it sounds so cliche, but it's just true like keeping god first
[00:24:18] um
[00:24:19] The things he's called you to
[00:24:21] Prioritize first like time with him
[00:24:24] um, and I'm not saying I'm perfect at that but
[00:24:27] Things go better for me and I have a better mentality when I put godly things first
[00:24:31] Yeah
[00:24:32] And one thing that I love to ask people on the show
[00:24:34] So the the premise of this really is is how do people use their creativity?
[00:24:40] To further the kingdom of god
[00:24:42] And a lot of that involves people taking a risk creatively to leave like you did
[00:24:47] Their day job and do and pursue their creative outlet as a full-time thing
[00:24:52] And I think a lot of people would love to do that
[00:24:54] They're not always in a position to do that a lot of people. I think though
[00:24:58] Maybe just they have fear about leaving something that feels secure to something that maybe feels unknown
[00:25:03] And and so you mentioned you were working at a sales job and then
[00:25:07] I assume you're not doing that anymore and you're doing this full time
[00:25:10] So what was that decision like for you as you were deciding to leave something that
[00:25:15] I don't know
[00:25:15] Maybe had insurance and maybe had benefits and things like that and to go do something that
[00:25:20] you're really
[00:25:22] Going out on your I mean you're going out on your own and you're putting a lot of hope and faith that it will work out
[00:25:26] So did you deal with fear and how does you overcome that and where does your faith in god?
[00:25:31] Come into that decision and I guess even on top of that
[00:25:33] How long did you go back and forth between making the decision to pursue this full time versus
[00:25:38] Maybe doing it part-time
[00:25:40] Yeah, yeah, I mean my situation it was
[00:25:45] I'm gonna quit when I've replaced my income
[00:25:47] like
[00:25:48] realistically
[00:25:50] Or when there's at least been a couple months where the income has been replacing my day job
[00:25:56] And I actually
[00:25:58] Thankfully met this woman named my on who's a content creator
[00:26:01] And who's just brilliant and just took me under her wing when she saw me
[00:26:05] Going viral and everything and she advised me
[00:26:09] You don't want to people might think oh, I've got to quit as soon as possible
[00:26:12] And she's like there comes a pressure when you're depending on your art to make you money
[00:26:17] Like for as long as you're able to it's not a bad thing to stay in your job because that's your basic
[00:26:22] And then you don't have to think what's going to get the most views
[00:26:26] What's going to lead to some form of income, you know
[00:26:30] Which by the way tick tock it's not like you get a million views and oh now you have all this money
[00:26:34] Like not at all. I'm not trying to just diss tick tock. I'm really not but it is not
[00:26:39] A substantial income generator by any means
[00:26:42] Um
[00:26:43] But but what happened for me was brands started reaching out to do brand deals
[00:26:47] Which really uh translated nicely into my niche. I just make a song about their product
[00:26:52] That's goofy make a little story about it, which was so fun for me because I have
[00:26:56] A journalism degree with like an advertising focus like advertising and a sales background, you know
[00:27:02] So just so comfortable with that
[00:27:04] But thankfully I uh, yeah for a few months replaced that with brand deals replaced my income and then I quit my job
[00:27:10] So I didn't feel scared to honestly. I part of me wishes I would have just quit sooner
[00:27:15] Um
[00:27:17] So I I loved it, but that's just my personality like yeah, I didn't have insurance
[00:27:22] For quite a while
[00:27:24] Probably not a good idea and I was just a single
[00:27:27] Woman, you know, um
[00:27:30] So it it worked out nicely
[00:27:31] But you know where my faith comes into it is
[00:27:34] It put me in a really interesting position and I I'm still in this position, you know and always am
[00:27:39] Always will be to some some degree or the total degree
[00:27:44] I'm depending on god for my income. You know, I don't have a company
[00:27:48] Consistently giving me a salary like it comes from brand deals and now music royalties
[00:27:54] Um, and so I have had many months where I'm like, all right god
[00:27:59] I really would love some more financial opportunities, please
[00:28:03] Like I depend on you for that
[00:28:05] Please help me with that
[00:28:06] Um, and it's crazy how often it would just be like right when I needed it
[00:28:11] Something came through that I would have never expected and often came through so much more as something much more generous than I even prayed for it
[00:28:19] Yeah, awesome. Yeah, um, so that's just been my story and I feel like god has really kept me humble in that because
[00:28:26] You know, sometimes I think oh, I've got to do all this stuff to make money on this thing and this thing and it's like
[00:28:32] my
[00:28:33] Needs are not met through instagram through youtube. My needs are met through god and so I just need to keep
[00:28:38] depending on him and
[00:28:40] Um, and also just being a good steward of what he's given me
[00:28:43] it's not like
[00:28:44] Like being responsible is honoring to god too. So
[00:28:48] Just trying to depend on god and be responsible with what he's given me
[00:28:51] Yeah, what you said reminded me. I don't know if you've ever read the book
[00:28:54] I'm looking at it on my bookshelf. It's called big magic by elizabeth gilbert. Have you ever read this? No
[00:28:59] I've heard of her though
[00:29:00] I would recommend that any person who is pursuing
[00:29:03] Any creative outlet read this book. It is to me like the create my creative bible
[00:29:08] A lot of people have referred to it in the same way or similar ways
[00:29:11] But that's something that she talks about is how she I don't remember what she was doing professionally
[00:29:17] but she didn't
[00:29:18] Go into writing full time and she's a very well known successful writer author
[00:29:23] Uh, and she said she didn't go into full-time writing
[00:29:26] I think it was until her third or fourth book because she didn't want it
[00:29:29] Like you said to be she didn't want pressure. She didn't want there to be pressure on her
[00:29:34] Art and her creativity. She wanted it to be something that was an outlet because
[00:29:38] That can I I've tried to pursue some things
[00:29:42] Heavier than just as a hobby and it took the joy out of it
[00:29:46] Like even with this podcast when I first started I was like expecting it to
[00:29:50] Get a lot of downloads right away
[00:29:52] And I was you know thinking of like what money could I make on it?
[00:29:54] And then it just took a lot of the joy out of it
[00:29:56] and really like the opportunities that this podcast brought
[00:30:01] To to make money came by connections that I made
[00:30:04] Through the show where I was able to meet people and start producing their podcast
[00:30:07] So not even with my own show but getting the skills to to develop and produce their own show
[00:30:12] and so
[00:30:13] I've realized that even whatever you just
[00:30:16] Maybe you try to pursue something
[00:30:18] Creatively god has a different way and a different route of how that's going to work out for you
[00:30:22] And so you just like being faithful and listening to what he's having to say
[00:30:25] But yeah, I like what you said about like you wanted to take time and
[00:30:28] You didn't go into it right away because I think that maybe is a mistake that some people do is
[00:30:32] They have this itch or they have this like
[00:30:34] Immediate ambition and they want to just stop everything and pursue it
[00:30:37] And it's like well you're almost like jumping off a cliff without a parachute. So
[00:30:41] That that would be my i'm a little bit more cautious when it comes to that so
[00:30:44] That's that's really good to hear though. And how long have you been doing this full time now?
[00:30:49] Since october 2020 so about three years. Oh wait, it's october. It is october
[00:30:54] So that's been three years right? 20 20
[00:30:57] Three years. Yeah
[00:30:59] Journalism major not math major. There we go. Yeah
[00:31:03] So so what what have you learned? What have you learned about yourself in those three years then like what have you
[00:31:08] What's different now and maybe what?
[00:31:11] What do you what have you learned about? I don't know the industry is the right term
[00:31:15] But just like this line of work. What have you learned now that you didn't know when you started?
[00:31:20] Oh, yeah, so much. I mean for about myself
[00:31:26] That
[00:31:27] If I give I mean just principles like whatever that principle is called
[00:31:30] Or if the amount of time you give yourself to do something you will take all of that time
[00:31:35] To do the thing but if you give yourself this much time
[00:31:38] You'll take this much time
[00:31:40] But just when it comes to task management like I have 8 hd
[00:31:44] And that makes this job perfect for me
[00:31:46] But there's still a lot of challenges to that because i'm my own boss. I have to stay on task
[00:31:51] I have to focus and make all these little decisions and now I have to do tax stuff
[00:31:58] And
[00:31:59] I am not complaining about my job. It is my dream. I love it
[00:32:03] And
[00:32:04] It's challenging. I feel like i'm juggling a million things and dropping half of them
[00:32:09] Is honestly how I feel so
[00:32:11] I'm constantly learning
[00:32:13] One thing i'm learning is I need to hire someone. I need to hire
[00:32:17] like even just uh
[00:32:19] Part time or even a college student who would love some experience for
[00:32:23] Basic video editing or videography or something like that
[00:32:28] So yeah, I'm learning that I don't know anything and
[00:32:32] People might say oh you've been doing this full time for three years. You know what you're doing and of course
[00:32:36] Nobody feels like they know what they're doing and I
[00:32:39] I don't either maybe in specific ways. I could like video making a video is just fun and I feel like my genius zone
[00:32:47] but
[00:32:48] That's something. Uh, I've learned I don't have it figured out and maybe never will feel that way
[00:32:54] And yeah, just about the industry is that I mean I've made a ton of connections with other influencers
[00:33:00] And they also feel that way
[00:33:02] Like all of them do no matter how they have millions and ponds millions upon millions and it's like
[00:33:08] Most of most of them feel like they're just making the next best guess
[00:33:12] Next best guess
[00:33:14] Sounds like another song. Yeah. Yeah, but uh
[00:33:19] Yeah, is that people who might seem
[00:33:22] Totally like these glamorous perfect people are not and uh, that sounds where I'm like I've made all these friends
[00:33:27] And I've learned they are not perfect, but no, they're just like down to earth normal
[00:33:33] people
[00:33:34] Just like you and me, you know
[00:33:37] Um, so that's something I've learned is they're just people
[00:33:40] What you mentioned you have adhc and I
[00:33:44] I don't have that but I struggle with discipline and I struggle with staying on task
[00:33:49] Uh, and even as I've been trying to write a book and like I'm in the process of trying to finish a book proposal for my literary agent
[00:33:54] And it's just like very
[00:33:56] It's it's overwhelming at times and I get distracted by like I'm a big sports fan. So I'm like, oh, there's a game tonight
[00:34:02] I'll just go watch that for a little bit and then find something else to do and it's like I I can allow myself to feel overwhelmed
[00:34:10] And then get distracted from what it is that I'm trying to do creatively
[00:34:13] So how do you say disciplined and what?
[00:34:18] What have you how have you improved in that way since you started doing this full time?
[00:34:22] Yeah, um, so it's setting myself up for success. So one way is I have something called notion
[00:34:29] Which is a free
[00:34:31] online
[00:34:32] Software you can basically just like have your whole weekly to-do list
[00:34:37] Able to fill out and then refill it out like it's the the thing the to-do list stays like a Monday list a Tuesday list
[00:34:43] It's hard to explain but that has helped me stay
[00:34:46] mostly organized
[00:34:49] And
[00:34:50] Working at coffee shops like working from a coffee shop with a friend
[00:34:53] That's actually an ADHD hack. They call body doubling and you don't have to have any to the coffee shop
[00:34:59] Yes, I yes, I hop into the coffee shop and then my jaw drops in shock
[00:35:03] Yeah, because my friend is there to help me stay on task
[00:35:08] I mean for real it's
[00:35:10] It really helps me to
[00:35:12] Put on shoes real clothes wash my face
[00:35:17] You know and go out in public and
[00:35:19] um
[00:35:20] Helps me to not get caught up. Oh wait. I just remembered I have to do the dishes or
[00:35:26] Uh, it's easy for accountability like during that. It is so tempting to
[00:35:31] Click through instagram stories or start scrolling
[00:35:34] When I'm on instagram for my job
[00:35:37] So i'm posting something and then it's like oh just let me check these things and then i'm 20 minutes later
[00:35:41] And i'm like what are you doing? You're at work
[00:35:45] You're at work
[00:35:46] So little hacks like that notion body body doubling like working with other people. Yeah, um
[00:35:53] I definitely helpful and just setting like it also helps that the work I get paid for like brand deals
[00:35:59] I have deadlines. I need so I just try to set deadlines for myself with my personal projects
[00:36:05] Which I can do better with but uh
[00:36:08] Yeah, that helps me too because half part of my work is that so I do have deadlines
[00:36:12] Keep you up
[00:36:14] I on task I 100% agree with getting out of your normal element like I work from a coffee shop a lot because
[00:36:20] I normally work from home and i'm in my office currently as you and I were talking and I love it
[00:36:24] but right out of this window that I can look out is
[00:36:28] Our backyard with a bunch of woods and we just moved into this house like a month ago and we have
[00:36:36] squirrels
[00:36:37] White squirrels, which are kind of like well known here in bowling green white squirrels
[00:36:42] We've had several neighborhood cats that come through our backyard. We have like a whole chipmunk colony back there
[00:36:49] There's all kinds of critters and I just get distracted by watching like I can see them out here on the trees
[00:36:54] And they're just like dumping all their acorns and like it's just like
[00:36:58] Yeah, so it is like a wilderness exhibit out here
[00:37:02] And so I I get easily distracted at home
[00:37:04] And so I have to get out of my element and then we have two cats at home too
[00:37:07] So I'm like, oh, I'll just go hang out with the cats for five minutes
[00:37:10] So then I'm like, okay
[00:37:11] I've laid down for 15 minutes and I need to go do what I need to do
[00:37:13] So yeah getting getting out of the my natural element helps a lot too. So that's good
[00:37:19] What is your favorite song of yours that you have created?
[00:37:22] Not not just one that's gone the most popular but what a bit what's what's the one you have
[00:37:26] Uh had the most fun creating
[00:37:29] Yeah
[00:37:30] Uh the sloth song
[00:37:32] Which I created three years ago like we're two and a half
[00:37:35] And I pulled an all-nighter to edit the video because I was just so
[00:37:39] excited about it
[00:37:41] And it goes like
[00:37:42] This is a sloth and he's looking at you. He's wondering why you're looking at him too
[00:37:46] Is it detraction or malicious intent? Are you about to fight? Are you more than friends?
[00:37:50] Anyway, the the chorus of it is like
[00:37:53] Eating chicken soup. He's a broth sloth heavy eyeliner
[00:37:55] He's a goth sloth when he uses conditioner. He's a soft sloth at the computer Microsoft sloth
[00:38:01] anyway
[00:38:03] I and I photoshopped everything so like now there's a sloth with an emo shirt a sloth eating chicken soup
[00:38:11] And i'm just so amused by it personally. I still will go back and watch it
[00:38:16] however
[00:38:17] Side story
[00:38:18] I need to change one of the lyrics in it. I made a mistake
[00:38:21] I was trying to be culturally relevant at the time and get more views
[00:38:25] And I one of the lines is listening to cardi. He's a wop sloth. Are you familiar with that song?
[00:38:32] Yes, of course. It's a terribly vulgar song. I don't know why I thought it'd be a good idea to reference it
[00:38:38] Like I really regret that. I'm like, why did I try to be all culturally relevant?
[00:38:43] So I'm I would like to release that song make a full version and release it
[00:38:47] I actually plan to but i'm gonna change that lyric, but it's still
[00:38:51] my favorite
[00:38:53] I don't know if this is already in there something about
[00:38:57] He's dirty. He needs a mop sloth something with that's a great one. Yeah
[00:39:02] I haven't done mop yet, but that's a good one. Here we go
[00:39:04] That's awesome. I love I love your story. I love just like the origin of some of these songs
[00:39:10] What what is like your typical? This is one thing I love to ask people too is
[00:39:14] A lot of times with authors. It's just straight like how did you get this idea and like where did your creator?
[00:39:18] What's your creative process writing a book but like
[00:39:20] From when you get like from like inception to production. What does that process look like for you whenever you're creating a song?
[00:39:28] Yeah, these are such good questions that I love answering. So thank you for preparing them
[00:39:34] so I
[00:39:36] I have ideas spewing out of my brain all the time and that is not a flex because
[00:39:41] I think that's overcompensating for many executive weaknesses
[00:39:46] So I have way more ideas than I can execute without more people to help
[00:39:52] I am inspired by everything like just driving in the car
[00:39:55] Is where I had the idea for the worm song
[00:39:58] My or my husband was driving and I was just like what's a song that would bring me joy?
[00:40:01] And I was just like
[00:40:03] His name is itty-bitty was living in the end. I just kind of had this thing about a worm come out
[00:40:08] And so I my voice memo on my phone and my my note section
[00:40:12] Is full of song idea eggs and bacon on a stick, you know
[00:40:18] Song idea
[00:40:20] Eggs and bacon on a stick, you know, just
[00:40:23] Stuff where I'll read I and the sad thing is I almost never
[00:40:27] Go back and like re-listen just to find song ideas. I usually have one that really sticks with me that I
[00:40:33] that's like the most recent one
[00:40:35] And yeah, and then I will sit in front of my laptop with a blank google doc
[00:40:41] And I will hang out with my song
[00:40:43] I won't put any pressure like I've got to finish the song or write it in x amount of time
[00:40:46] I'll say I'm going to spend 30 minutes hanging out with my song
[00:40:49] And I'll just start writing potential lines. I'll do several versions like
[00:40:54] Okay
[00:40:56] lines two through four
[00:40:57] Let's try a different version copy paste delete delete
[00:41:01] Different line, you know
[00:41:02] So anyway, uh, yeah, I'll just hang out with with my songs until I feel like they're done
[00:41:06] And sometimes it takes an hour to write a whole song. Sometimes it takes like eight
[00:41:12] Um really depends on the song
[00:41:15] um some get me more than others, but uh,
[00:41:18] Yeah, that's kind of how my process works. But then once once there's a song. I'm just so excited about I will
[00:41:24] Get to work producing it and making a plan and
[00:41:28] Yeah
[00:41:30] But you know what another side story the overall song my most recent one which I'm wearing overalls
[00:41:35] You're wearing overalls
[00:41:37] I did record myself dancing in these overalls to my song earlier. Wow. All right
[00:41:41] Um
[00:41:42] The overall song started with an inside joke
[00:41:45] Not like a super funny inside joke, but just a moment with my husband and I over two years ago
[00:41:50] Or wait no slightly under two years ago November 2021
[00:41:54] Uh, I was just wearing overalls at a family gathering and I said overall and then my Nathan went overall these overalls
[00:42:02] And then I went overall these overalls are overall my body
[00:42:07] And just like started saying that and that's the chorus of the song
[00:42:09] So I kept that in my notes for a while and just had it like I've got to make that a song
[00:42:14] And then two years later. I was fine like I'm actually going to produce this now
[00:42:17] so sometimes they sit in my phone for years
[00:42:20] And some will never be made which is really sad, but some will we'll see yeah, I love it. I love it
[00:42:25] It's like this was
[00:42:27] The idea came like two years ago and now we're finally seeing seeing it come to life
[00:42:31] That's great. I may have asked a version of this earlier, but like when I think of your story like what you do
[00:42:37] to me it's like
[00:42:40] You have such a short time on earth and you want to just have fun with the time that you have here
[00:42:43] Like that's ultimately like I feel like you're just you're having fun
[00:42:45] And you're not allowing like for me like I would just be like, oh my gosh
[00:42:49] I'm going to get made fun of if I make songs like this
[00:42:51] And it's like my message to even that version of myself or anybody would be like who cares like just have fun
[00:42:56] So if there's people that are listening to this that that may be like they're
[00:43:00] I don't know apprehensive to to let their true personality out even if they are super goofy because they're fearful that they might just get made fun of
[00:43:08] I mean, what
[00:43:09] What advice would you have for them about just like I don't know like who cares?
[00:43:13] Would that be your advice? Yeah
[00:43:15] Yeah, I mean I would ask yourself
[00:43:18] What creators are you thinking of right now?
[00:43:21] Who you think are dumb
[00:43:24] Or you think that what they do is stupid you would literally have to sit there and be like
[00:43:29] Uh, I don't know like it would even be hard to recall that like I
[00:43:33] I can't really recall anyone. It's like no one cares
[00:43:37] No one is thinking about you, you know people think about
[00:43:42] themselves way more than they think about other people
[00:43:45] So anytime you feel like that it's like oh man
[00:43:49] I really feel for people who let that stop them
[00:43:52] From something that they might feel really passionate about and just be like, I don't want to put myself out there
[00:43:56] It's really understandable. I do get that it feels vulnerable
[00:44:00] But man, I wish people understood how little
[00:44:05] others actually care
[00:44:07] uh about
[00:44:09] About I I don't mean don't care about you. You have your family and friends who care deeply about you
[00:44:15] but like
[00:44:16] Just do your thing. No one is really gonna think about it that much. Um, and if they don't like it
[00:44:22] Then they're not a great friend and they're probably not going to follow you or see you that much
[00:44:26] Anyway, because their algorithm won't
[00:44:29] Display you, you know, yeah
[00:44:31] Um, and I will just say as someone who does get a lot of hate comments. It is so worth it
[00:44:37] And I
[00:44:39] You know, I'm not saying it doesn't hurt to see them sometimes
[00:44:41] But it's just so so so worth it and I promise you you will not regret it
[00:44:46] Yeah, I mean it's ultimately like you're pursuing what you're interested in doing and you're pursuing like
[00:44:51] I don't know where where your passion lies
[00:44:54] And I think that I would encourage anybody like whether that's
[00:44:57] A day job like a desk job or stuff like what you're doing like
[00:45:02] Do what do what it is that you feel
[00:45:04] You're interested in doing and passionate about doing, you know, so like there are times and ever I've gotten
[00:45:08] I mean, I've gotten hate comments about even this podcast and it's like, okay
[00:45:11] I just enjoy doing it like I don't really care. So like I just enjoy talking to people
[00:45:15] So yeah
[00:45:16] Last question I love to ask people so the name of the show
[00:45:19] Is in no hurry and I created it basically out of a busy season of life and
[00:45:24] At that topic that I love to talk about and especially as us young adults
[00:45:29] We are prone to taking on
[00:45:31] A lot of tasks and a lot of responsibilities and trying to do a lot
[00:45:35] To either make extra money or to just like fill our time that we live in a culture that tells us to do more
[00:45:41] And so your job and what you do just in life whenever you get really busy
[00:45:45] This is what I love to ask people is just like, what do you do to slow down?
[00:45:48] What do you do to relax and
[00:45:51] If maybe what your work what your work is
[00:45:54] What you're what you're doing for work or just what life is bringing you is causing you to feel sped up
[00:45:58] What do you do to pause and either reflect on your relationship with god or just I don't know recenter yourself
[00:46:06] Yeah
[00:46:07] Yeah, I do a few different things. I mean
[00:46:10] One thing that I really care about is just health and wellness like sleeping
[00:46:15] As much into eight hours as I can as much as I can
[00:46:19] Or more I definitely slept 10 and a half hours last night, which I'm just like how did I do that?
[00:46:25] um
[00:46:27] And I did the night before too
[00:46:28] But it's because I just got back from a conference and I was just so tired from it
[00:46:31] Anyway health and wellness is a huge thing that just keeps me centered
[00:46:35] And you never want to sacrifice your health for something like that and it just helps me
[00:46:40] It's weird to say it helps me slow down to run
[00:46:43] Running is fast, but that does it helps slow my brain down, right?
[00:46:47] Yeah, I'm trying to decompress and
[00:46:50] I am just the simplest simplest person when it comes to my free time and what I enjoy
[00:46:56] I'm actually writing a song right now. That's like
[00:47:00] All I care about is having deep and interesting conversations with friends
[00:47:06] Maybe we will go out to eat if the restaurant isn't too loud
[00:47:09] Maybe we will play a game if the rules aren't too hard to learn
[00:47:13] Maybe we will hike in nature
[00:47:16] End of list like all my free time could be that and I will be completely fine and that
[00:47:22] Those simple simple activities
[00:47:24] Help me to stay centered and slow down. Yeah, that's good. That's that's uh, we're going hiking this weekend actually so
[00:47:32] Nice, I haven't been hiking in a long time
[00:47:34] We used to do it a lot whenever we first started dating my wife and I and
[00:47:39] Life has gotten busy. We just haven't done it, but yeah, we're gonna go
[00:47:43] Up somewhere near Elizabeth town, Kentucky. Oh, which is like an hour from us
[00:47:47] Like two hours from you. So we're gonna go hiking this weekend. So good deal. Well, sarah
[00:47:51] Where can people connect with you on social media or I guess youtube or wherever if people want to check you out
[00:47:57] And maybe they're not familiar with your songs where can they find you?
[00:48:01] Yeah
[00:48:02] Saramatic is my spotify or apple music amazon music
[00:48:07] sarah
[00:48:08] madd ack
[00:48:10] and
[00:48:11] Instagram and tiktok my username is sarah mad bell. So sarah with an h and how you would think mad and bell are spelled
[00:48:19] Uh, and and youtube is sarah maddak as well
[00:48:22] And those are the best places to find me because my website is under construction
[00:48:29] I need to read my website anyway. I need to redo mine. I keep saying I'm like I just I don't I'm
[00:48:35] I have a wordpress website and it's like every time I've tried to redo it
[00:48:39] It's like I just don't know how to do certain things and I don't want to pay somebody to do it
[00:48:43] So I'm just like it's just gonna chill as it is
[00:48:46] So
[00:48:47] Yeah, I don't I'm not a web designer by any means so I mean either best of luck to you as you're
[00:48:52] Constructing your website. Hopefully you have somebody helping you because maybe you know how to do it
[00:48:56] I don't do it as well. So no, I literally tried for hours
[00:49:00] To like through the simple template wick stuff
[00:49:03] I'm just so confused by it. So yeah, I'm gonna have someone help me. Yeah, good deal
[00:49:08] Well, sarah, it was great having you on the show. So thanks so much for sharing your story
[00:49:13] And sharing the background on your music and your creativity and I'm sure uh
[00:49:19] Sure, we'll catch up soon
[00:49:20] But nonetheless
[00:49:22] Enjoy the success that you've had and congrats to you and once again, thanks for coming on the show
[00:49:28] Thank you
[00:49:29] This is me giving you a high five
[00:49:34] That was so much fun. I hope you enjoyed that conversation with sarah maddak bell
[00:49:39] Seriously, encourage you to go and check out her music. It is really funny
[00:49:43] It's just goofy and it's just silly and it's supposed to be and that's the beauty of it
[00:49:48] So don't take it too seriously. Don't take life too seriously
[00:49:51] Just have fun
[00:49:52] And if there's something that you're wanting to do that you feel is your passion, but you're really scared to do it
[00:49:58] Hopefully you're encouraged by this story from sarah and you'll go out and just do what it is
[00:50:02] That you want to do don't worry about what other people say
[00:50:05] If we are not connected on social media, I would love to change that you can follow me on instagram and twitter at coal clayborn
[00:50:12] And on facebook at cold douglas clayborn and then you can also find me on my website coal clayborn.com or
[00:50:18] In the show notes is a link to my newsletter on sub stack, which I would love for you to subscribe to
[00:50:23] You can find the link to that there. That is also a good way to connect with me
[00:50:28] But as always, thank you so much for tuning in
[00:50:30] Hope you guys have some time to relax this week and not be in a hurry and we'll catch you next time
