How to Watch Disney's "Robin Hood" (As A Christian)

[00:00:00] Welcome to this episode of How To Watch A Movie As A Christian, I'm Riley, I'm Javin, I'm Josh How to Watch Robin Hood as a Christian, what year was Robin Hood invented? The cartoon 68, okay 68 so Robin Hood is a Disney cartoon made in 68 directed by Wolfgang

[00:00:32] Retherman Wolfgang Retherman sounds as a good great name for a vape shop Yeah, that's a really good point really good point. Okay, so Josh can you introduce yourself? Who are you? I'm Josh, I'm married to the beautiful woman named Amy got some kids that are cool and

[00:00:57] On a coffee shop. So me and Josh went to high school together Javin currently works at said coffee shop And so we wanted to invite Josh because we thought it would be fun to talk about Josh's favorite movie

[00:01:12] Which is Robin Hood the cartoon now? How does Robin Hood The cartoon compare to the other Robin Hood's men and tights Russell Crow You know the really old one with arrow Flynn arrow Flynn the snake one

[00:01:30] Whoa, he's in Allen ring cut. Yeah, I will cut your hot out with a spoon Does he play Robin it? No, he does it. He plays the prince Prince John. Oh, okay John. Oh, why is this cost?

[00:01:42] That one the Kevin cost no Kevin cost no one. Yeah, yeah, so there are so many The question is it's my favorite. Oh, Josh Is this the definitive one? Yeah, absolutely because you can take I mean the whole the legend is all full of liberties

[00:02:04] See means we'll make it awesome and you know, answer for more. Fights it. Yeah, that's true It's great with foxes and as a kid made Marion was like the most beautiful Fox that I've seen

[00:02:17] Her eyes she like flutters her eyes. Yeah, except I would fast forward that scene when they're in night time And if I want to see That's a sweet scene

[00:02:27] That's a sweet now that I'm an adult but as a kid I hated it. I fast forwarded it your little bunny Watching them kiss Yeah Can you guys wait for me So Josh what is it about Robinhood that you love so much?

[00:02:47] It's a tight movie. You know, there's no wasted scenes It's all right out of the gates. It's fun the whole time you know you're having fun and It's it's got for a kid a really straightforward good guy bad guy henchmen the whole gang

[00:03:04] Yeah, right and it's light hard. It's bright. It's got energy. It's wonderful And as you watch it like for me now like watching with my kids I'm like oh there's like just some grown up fun in here Where's it's not like it's charming? It's nostalgic

[00:03:18] But it's not all like oh what was I thinking this is stupid stuff It's like oh this is actually even better than I remember like if I made that movie I'd be so proud of it That's right which is funny because This is notoriously one of Disney's worst

[00:03:35] I just strong disagree. I oh my gosh Like when I found areas is what you're saying or worst areas and all the movies in this era Which are called the dark ages of Disney the 60s and 70s Jordan the stone hunter one Dalmatians

[00:03:52] Jungle book it's got your got rescuers right in there. Oh, we got Is that really early on five or is that later? That's five-old American tales directed by dawn bluth Who left Disney but Dawn is actually part of the writing team for this. Yes, oh yeah

[00:04:11] He took the Disney magic and left trying to create a competitor, but they never really Kind of came and then when Shoot what does name Jeffrey Katzenberg came back to Disney or came to Disney after the dark Ages and kickstarted the Disney Renaissance with little mermaid. Oh fascinating

[00:04:33] Yeah, so this is whole story to it and this movie's like right there in the middle with what are considered to be their worst ones And I'm like Excuse me it had that little triangle logo that said Disney classic And they earned that thing

[00:04:47] To me a lot of you just copies out there got sold. Yeah, it made money. Yeah, it did I was one of those kiddos watching it What was the first time you remember watching it

[00:04:57] I don't know it's so so it's there scenes ingrained in my memory of like sitting in some vague living room Watching the HSTIpe I don't know how many times I have quoted seven years bad luck

[00:05:15] I got a quote like I got a full cliver of those too, but that my first my first time I see my year I never thought it would it is you It's a little stupid, but it's close

[00:05:29] You broke down mother's mail. What do you do this for a long time? It's We'll say in the few when we need them right like you can be in the all what's kid But I thought at the at the the chiropractors

[00:05:43] And my mom and my mom go to the chiropractor and I had how long was this appointment? 70 minutes I just like there was a little stack of the HSs and if there was no kid already watching one

[00:05:56] Yeah, I would get my little cup of goldfish from the reception which was awesome and then I would walk over and just Handle it myself and I wouldn't rewind I just pick it up where we left it off. So wherever I was like

[00:06:06] The last scene that was the odds of someone else playing or pretty low and I would just turn on and be like there we go That's great. We didn't own it. I just watched it at the guy

[00:06:16] Okay, one kind of special unique thing about this movie is that the soundtrack is by Roger Roger Miller. Yep, the famous folk singer who if you look up his stuff is wacky

[00:06:31] He's weird he's like a Hank Williams, but like a goofball Hank Williams. He's like Hank Williams plus Plus weird now I'd like to okay, I'm gonna do that, but also That sounds like it's for me Right

[00:06:50] Oh, yeah, you should go on YouTube because it's not not Spotify his song. I'm a nut. Oh I someone someone told me this before I think I've seen I'm a nut But don't ever get it be a little bit a bit about my own name. I show no

[00:07:04] It's like that scene from goofy movie when they're at Lester's possum parlor It's like something out of that like that's how weird and kind of Country folk Roger Miller is and so he does he plays the rooster Right and he also does all the music

[00:07:22] So like that one scene where it's like the fight scene at the archery tournament where it gets like electric guitars out But it's got horns and stuff where it's like Yeah, right, but it's like really weird finger picking like wow this is all over my place man

[00:07:38] It's so good though like songs like every time has it sucks in downs Sometimes ups Our number the downs, but not in noting him yep. That doesn't make you feel Feel things that was that was depression as a kid Yeah, sometimes ups outnumber the dance, but not in

[00:08:06] Not in notting him notting him that's a good that's good shower songs though He just humming along yourself from being like I've had the Robo to a little John walking in the forest some events is climate trees are trying to get away

[00:08:20] So I'm saying about the bear let me make any food allow you a lot of gallow at a day Yeah, it's great something about like laughing back and forth and listening to what the other has to say That sounds like my life too. Yeah, that's friendship. It's brotherhood

[00:08:35] That's true the the relationship between Robinhood and little John was like Like friends and do you say do you say who do Lali I'm sorry to say it now who do you want it? Fortune tellers Fortune's more powerful cars

[00:08:55] I honestly think I can do most of the whole movie that's a problem Stop the car Oh, it's a little drill Your little your prince John does sound like stewing Barrow boy, oh we end up So that's the water. I wrote that one down

[00:09:24] It is so funny. Oh man. So okay We've established that this is Classically regarded as one of Disney's least good movies, but we all disagree and the humor to me is the best part it is so funny and weird

[00:09:44] It's really well you've met all these characters actually like You know you said that it's got clear good and bad, but Little John is kind of a fleshed out villain

[00:09:55] Yeah, he's like a he's actually more like a real life villain in the rest of Disney because a lot of like Disney's golden era is like I'm going to steal your soul type step. Sure little John is like I'm greedy and corrupt seeking power and

[00:10:09] Taxing you more. I mean Prince John. Oh, sorry for that Not a little thing Just like your easier neighbor. He's good. Yeah Well, but he is that and so the threat is very like taxation Right where they bang the taxes out of the dogs broken leg

[00:10:31] Yeah, no sound attack right back But at the same time little Prince John is like this insecure child Right where he's like I've called to dirty thumb Yeah, totally. So what is that? What is you know it's interesting that this character is chosen

[00:10:53] They they wrote him as like an Infantile. Yeah. Yeah, I mean he's doubling out issues I found it fascinating that like It's a kid's movie that's clearly depicting this type of behavior Is like Imateur and that and then the kids go Ha ha that's funny

[00:11:12] He's a grownup but he's acting like a kid. Yeah, there's a Connection there that they can quickly associate go. Yeah, that's not ideal Yeah, there's that song that makes fun of him

[00:11:25] Right Prince John the only the phony king of England and they're all dancing and sure would for us You know so let's call down a pox on him He's not depicted as Manacing he's not yeah, he's he's very much a immature person put in a place

[00:11:47] Leadership that he's not qualified for and so the whole struggle that he has is Like trying to keep up this image of Being as good as his brother, but he deep down isn't actually as good as his brother and that creates a ton of issues

[00:12:04] Yeah, that's true. He wishes that he was as Manacing as his brother Richard the lion heart Right, which I believe that's the historical figure Richard the lion heart yeah the historical figures of those two are actually pretty funny

[00:12:22] Is there a lot like okay where did Robin had come from? Josh do I mean I I read up on it this morning. Yeah I'm a certified expert. Yeah, not actually but

[00:12:35] From what I was reading it's a very old myth that like earlier sources that scholars can see comes from like the 15th century But even those stories are pulling from somewhere that they can't really find so it's a very very Old

[00:12:52] Fabel or myth yeah my kid my oldest is reading it was reading it in fourth grade So I was reading it to him because he's dyslexic so he has a hard time tracking and so I'm reading it to him and it's Extremely Violet

[00:13:09] Robinhood in the book is just John Wick Is what he is he's picking off the British Like nothing you know because he's a lord Robin's a robber's not just an every man

[00:13:22] He's not just he's a he's a landowner. That's right. He's gentrary yeah, and so he's he's really mad that the lords Are being taxed more Oh The original story yeah a fascinating because the whole bit is is Prince John is

[00:13:42] Is taxing the lords more and the lords are like oh Oh, no wait a minute. We gotta get that back and robins like yeah, I got a plan Oh, that's like completely flipped Yeah, wow those sneaky

[00:13:56] How much of it is historical is Robinhood real Robin of locksley yeah They think he's real. Oh, okay. Yeah, so he's probably like as real as like say like King Arthur or something like some mythological is a guy somewhat real something yeah

[00:14:16] Yeah, he gives me more real vibes than King Arthur to me honest But well, and I'm not I don't know anything about it But like Richard at the Crusades is like one of those elements that's that then you know at a time

[00:14:29] You know what's 50 60 70 years ago gets brought into like I want a noble thing right and so oh Richard the Lionheart That's actually another thing in the book Now I'm reading the one that's like from the 1920s or 30s or something

[00:14:44] There's another one from the 1800s. Yeah, so this is this is the one that they read in fourth grade I guess but the Crusades is like this virtuous holy thing Like Richard is out serving the lord and meanwhile Robin made Marion in in the game

[00:15:01] They're like proclaiming the gospel Around sure would for us and stuff. There's all this prayer and all this biblical stuff and yeah, it's like that's not in that Disney one No one like even they just

[00:15:16] Meant point of view on the Crusades and stuff you're like wait a minute there's a lot in there It's really easy in the late 60s to be like here's the good guy But I actually love in this maybe that they do that so

[00:15:28] Interquitely right at the very beginning of a little John asking are we the good guys or the bad guys? This is like an incredibly new on question for a kid brain that I remember from from the kind of fractures off this

[00:15:42] Good like what a question are we the good guys yeah guys like you got it actually life It's I just think it's really important ask that question of yourself. Okay, let's ask it Are we the good guys are the bad guys definitely not a good guy?

[00:15:56] I'd like to be the decent dude. Wow. That's deep are we talking about ourselves? Well, yeah, I mean like The morality of Robinhood and this is like central to the story turn that scene Robinhood responds to little John by saying We're not stealing it. We're a you know

[00:16:15] Bought it so it's all too comfortable to get through great He gets really great. He's also do what we need to do for the sake of the good guys who are the poor

[00:16:24] Yes exactly and so you know you do kind of wonder like as a Christian I mean it's silly that we're Discussing this cartoon from the sixties, but it is your favorite movie. It's my favorite You know what is it maybe uniquely about being a Christian that

[00:16:45] Lens itself to this movie how do how do we think maybe of Robinhood because the theme of gray area vigilante justice Good guy bad guy. I don't know raisin theft brazen theft

[00:16:58] I'm giving it to the poor yeah rob the rich feed the poor or well it's answered my fire tuck So fire tuck a ribbon hit on you. It was a very important character. Yeah, he shows up in that next moment So so you know

[00:17:10] Little John asks are we good guys your bad guys Robin says Dodge his And then fire tuck is like no You know Sun someday they'll be calling you a great hero right his line right yeah, and he comes so as the the man of the church

[00:17:34] The theater one sitting it says yeah, good guys. Yeah We don't think that's cuz he's got a long view of history or because he's got a wrong view of history

[00:17:45] Probably cuz he's the guy every single day having to care for the poor people right turn he's the he's Mr. Care Totally see that as a biblical thing right like blessed are the poor in spirit or Or just this idea of Justice and how it Transants

[00:18:04] Law of the land or corrupt government or corrupt people Even though the people in charge may be saying something There's a biblical theme of Doesn't matter what they say it matters what God says do you think that the success the longevity of this

[00:18:21] Film how it is like it's Seaped into my bloodstream and obviously Josh's Do you think that there's something maybe a kernel there that is just so innate? Which is you know, it's it's easy to dismiss the idea of like

[00:18:39] Robinhoods of vigilante. That's kind of silly or maybe it's mythological or we don't actually know if it's historical But as a story It resonates It presupposes that true justice is beyond the government At it's current you know because Prince John as a corrupt or corrupt king

[00:19:02] Yeah, and the sheriff of nodding him also is corrupt and the two volatures, you know Not a claw can all They're corrupt right and the whole system is corrupt It's so justice kind of in this almost prophetic Isaiah type of thing church like crying out on behalf of

[00:19:22] Do you think that that resonates with us at a deep level? I think it's a universal story. I mean, I'm so curious Butter me up and put me in school and call me a professional if it you know

[00:19:34] If alternative timeline here I like it makes me think of like Batman this is vigilante. That's like This city It's corrupt I just got to break justice. Yeah, you know it has that energy but more goofy to it But that that's those dynamics of a story of like

[00:19:56] Justice something that transcends People and what's going on here and trying to hit something up here almost that's an a ton of different stories I'm always interested when a hero isn't trying to be the king Yeah, that's always I mean like you see got you got

[00:20:15] The true king in this case He's out of town Someone's gonna take his place and rule and then you know Often the actual the real historical perspective of how what happens next is

[00:20:30] Someone tries to take the throne and does a lot in history and this is one of those weird stories where That's why it's a folk tale for the people. It's a people story because the people are like yeah

[00:20:41] Well one of the one of the leaders one of the people with power didn't try to take all the power he tried to give the power That's that's stories going to stick around. Yeah, people love that. I love that. Yeah

[00:20:51] It's almost like you die here or you live long enough Take them to see yourself become a little All right, I think that it's One thing that we always kind of point out in our conversations is

[00:21:05] We ask why is this thing so popular and a lot we've we sometimes talked about some of the stuff that's just Flopped that people don't like and a lot of times we're pointing out that it doesn't resonate

[00:21:18] It doesn't it doesn't feel like it's a story for the people you know, you know and and so like You know Robinhood represents something that deeply resonates with people and if you're if you see yourself as a person of power

[00:21:36] And influence or you want to be heroic you can resonate with Robinhood, but if you see yourself as The oppressed you know on the doubt on the bottom of the ladder you also resonate with doing it You know and so Robinhood sort of

[00:21:48] I don't know there's a reason why it's constantly being told this story. Yeah, it's tapping into a deep Deep almost meta story right I think of um Another example is Harry Potter This like specifically with the angle of like the animated movie maybe less so the original story

[00:22:10] But Robinhood is like this nonchalant every day man that standing up against evil and with Harry Potter he's like this Lonely average orphan boy who discovers oh he's really Good and he has to conquer evil by kind of breaking the rules in some

[00:22:31] Areas and some categories because he's tapping into something that transcends The boarding school transcends the rules of You know what's going on over here, you know Just characters like that everywhere right do you think that you in the chiropractor office? We're thinking these things

[00:22:50] No, I really liked Goldfish didn't have a lot of those at home. I Really liked I really I really did like the whole vibe. I mean, you know little little little low TV in the wood paneled Cabinet you just like

[00:23:06] This is like everything about that for a loaded like was it a built was the VHS part of the TV Was it a separate VHS What's a built it oh wow yeah, it was a sophisticated Like you know

[00:23:23] There's a movie that came out around the same time as toy story Small soldiers. Oh, yeah, yeah, and that movie didn't last in the public consciousness as long Even though the premise toys coming alive after dark or whatever

[00:23:41] Is similar to toys where and you could just say oh, that's just a worse movie Would you probably is but I have a theory that that It doesn't tap into the like human longing very well and then it tries to be more of like a

[00:24:00] I don't know cool Thing When it's toy story really used it you watch that lately. It's like You find yourself in it multiple times you're like oh, I that's my experience right and the point is that like even

[00:24:15] I think even a kid can see that yeah, you know when you watch Robinhood there's something Universal about it. Yeah, I mean as a kid You know with an extreme level of arrogance I had as a kid. I'm like well

[00:24:29] That's a great idea get in that costume and show up at the archery tournament and win the cast They're never gonna see you coming right? It's probably some bad source material for some younger Some younger unrepentant arrogance in my life, right and and now you know

[00:24:49] Let's see that a different way which is good. I still I still appreciate Robin's courage but I'm like Oh boy, okay, so as you've got an older than yeah, do you see Robin's ethics differently not really I'm kind of into it

[00:25:03] Well, okay, well javin had kind of written down some ideas Let's talk about like the the economics Robinhood all right, there you go. You seem pretty simplistic Sure like still from the rich feed the poor yeah, and that's his motto and he's that is that gonna work

[00:25:22] Maybe in that economy with that of work. Oh, like like the actual plot could they have pulled it off like Will that help gold's pretty heavy that rope is this

[00:25:33] Not make in terms of the actual mechanics is like like the rope and they hide it in the bra Like the gold bags are going out the window. I don't think that's keen

[00:25:42] I'd really like that pulley system. I don't think it's working well, right? I remember as a kid Looking at the pulley system and going there are things tied to those pulleys It wouldn't come around the wheel and going that wouldn't work. Yeah Yeah, that's a problem

[00:25:58] But I think I think some of the other stuff like hey, let's bust our friend out before he gets hung and get our friends out of jail That's that one's working. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I'm into the ethic too Yeah, bust a map and bust a map

[00:26:13] How about the how about like the the economics like is is Robinhood a socialist? What is he? So anti capitalist what is he I think that's the extreme. I think he I think he's I don't think he's stirring up trouble if a little john's not

[00:26:32] Taxing the the people in the lead to the level of Extreme poverty where they were where the share the enforcer is shaking down children I think he's like enough This is done right I suspect he's like

[00:26:47] Kind of kind of one of the gang just wants to hang it the archery tournament and show with his bride mother if it's not if that's not happening He's on the giz on a mission, but it's like all right. Well

[00:26:56] You're gonna move he kind of ends that way Like they get the money back and they're like yeah And they get married and yeah, I do wonder if like at the end of that if Richard's like with his accountant

[00:27:07] It's like okay how much did how much do we we really owe it here? Exactly Deal and I think I mean obviously it's a cartoon and the plot itself Has this mechanism where they are waiting for dare I say the eschatological return of the king

[00:27:26] Of some kind right you have you do have this like white witch in charge of Narnia In the meantime waiting for aslan to return sure so in the meanwhile what are we doing about yeah The the ruler is out of town a corrupt

[00:27:45] regime regime has emerged and you served power the people are in danger and You know a hero shows up to To liberate them until the until the king returns. Yeah, yeah, totally Which is cool and then and so therefore like the

[00:28:04] the you can say that the return of King Richard Kind of sets things right and so it's just just ramp hacked with symbolism and so you the point is not I don't know if the point is to ask what are the Economics or ethics

[00:28:24] Not the goal the movie no Not this version What socialism is but yeah, yeah, so what what Kind of as a Christian you're watching this Disney Dark Ages 1968 right movie javin like what as a Christian

[00:28:42] What kind of stands out to you as you watch this cartoon that mostly kids watch totally yeah, I mean We hit on a couple of them. I think how Robinhood embodies this person that Like has Justice is pursuing justice. That's a biblical theme

[00:29:00] You have what you were talking about King Richard coming back. I think you could point to Like the climax of the story where the widow bunny is wanting away With a studies away from me And then he's like about to die and Robinhood

[00:29:17] runs back to get him and Then rescues him from the clutches of death and then is like escaping all the soldiers and then Jumps off the fiery tower into the river and everyone thinks he's dead

[00:29:31] Right, don't get old in that spot because he saved the bunny right exactly the bunny. He's out. He's good. Exactly Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah And it's like I mean how can you not I was watching going that's just the gospel

[00:29:45] I'm the little bunny running from the clutches of death Save your comes in saves me and by doing so Dias but then you know within the movie turns out he didn't die and

[00:29:58] Well, I mean that's a little different than the gospel play. You know, you see that yeah, let me ask a question Have you ever heard the phrase haunted by the cross or haunted by the gospel? No Oh, it's the idea that like people who

[00:30:15] You know maybe not maybe aren't a Christian per se Um, they create art or they tell stories that are like just simply echoes it just they can't help it I think of we've talked about

[00:30:28] The dude who created breaking bad he's not constantly in interviews saying I'm not a Christian But I just can't escape this idea of cosmic justice which informs better call Saul breaking bad all of his episodes of the

[00:30:42] Exfiles you know this idea that your sin will find you out that just this will prevail that kind of thing and um He's haunted by the gospel another example would be like Trent Reisner

[00:30:54] In nine inch nails like almost all his lyrics are just like it's like I know he's not a Christian or even an ex Christian But he's haunted by it It's just he's shaped by it even if it's not on purpose or something and I wonder

[00:31:09] We've we've often talked about like the hero with a thousand faces the heroes journey the the kind of the Universal theme of self sacrifice and salvation like Robinhood Saved the bunny jumps out into the moat Left for dead, but actually he's alive right is that

[00:31:29] Is it more the case that the writers of Robinhood are simply tapping into a human thing? That's just universal or are they haunted by the gospel because the culture out of which Robinhood Emerges is a largely Christianized culture you know what I'm saying?

[00:31:51] I don't know if I know enough about history to answer definitively but I mean I'd speculate it's probably a little bit of both I think also Like stories Which I this is why I love talking about movies Is you get to compare

[00:32:10] Stories from like the 60s compared to like stories that are made now But I do think the culture not necessarily was Christian but a lot of those topics were a lot There were a lot more integrated in the cultural conversation Kind of just implicitly assumed

[00:32:30] So I think they're probably tapping into like the original source There's a lot of gospel themes and then also just the culture at large at that time You know that was how you told stories question for you both how do you guys feel about

[00:32:47] Fire tuck getting into a fight with the sheriff the corrupt sheriff of notting him when he's trying to take The money out of the the poor box And he's just you know rips it a much How do you feel about that scene where fire tuck is like

[00:33:07] He hits his own line in the sand and it's like I'm in yeah Yeah, I mean I I had no problem with it when I saw it I think that yeah, I think that's what you know there's this line in the

[00:33:22] This CS loses space trilogy where ransom is wrestling the devil and There's this great line it's almost a throwaway line but where CS loose describes in that moment as Ransom was Wrestling the devil he discovered what hatred was for

[00:33:43] And it made me think like what is hatred for like we all hate at times and most of the time It's a destructive thing but I wonder if anger hatred I wonder if these things they're for something

[00:33:56] Like they're meant to do something so if you are going to like Bought somebody with your huge belly If you were to like buy force Exercise someone from a space it would be for that sake right just see someone from doing something unjustly

[00:34:17] So I don't have any problem with that you know you also see Christ kind of do a very similar thing Where he's like you've made my temple a dead of robbers and takes a whip in

[00:34:29] With some all out of the chance the turn it's yeah the whole turning over the tables bit it's like I've as a grown-up looked at this Maybe been like there's A lot of that that stuff going on in here. Yeah, yeah, Wolfgang Yeah Referman

[00:34:47] Yeah, so I I wonder like Javing you mentioned that the the stories have changed Have you noticed that to are there gospel themes that are less Common now like in the stories that we tell now the movies out now right a lot has it diminished

[00:35:06] Yeah, there's less I think what we're doing now has less than than maybe this some of this era of stuff Here's here is here was journey stuff is still kind of out there once in a while it floats around right?

[00:35:19] Yeah, thousand bases stuff sure and then it's like but there's a lot of I think I think movies are being made now that are that are sourcing a lot more Global perspective things than than due to Christian things. I think that's

[00:35:33] Pretty apparent so and some of that is Super interesting and helpful. Yeah, yeah, what are some of what are some of the kind of the themes there What are some of those themes? Because they do feel a little foreign

[00:35:49] Since this is my culture you know me bingo. Yeah, I don't even know that I pick up on them them them Madically in that way like I don't I just know I'm watching something it's not my culture

[00:35:59] I've got more of those going on even with my kids like hey we're in a Inflip on a movie and we're checking it out and like you know you got your

[00:36:07] I know what's going on here mighty decks movies which I mean hopefully you guys are talking about sometime No, we I did however just watch Little giants yeah all incredible yeah is big green next or rookie of the year big green son is good

[00:36:23] But rookie the year phenomenal phenomenal Okay, he's an idea then can maybe just to play off this Stories being told from a more South American Central American or you know equator right cultures

[00:36:41] The film in Conto. Oh, yeah, right so one of our elders is of his family's from Mexico And then some friends from Mexico I was asking them about in Conto because I watched with my kids and I didn't get it

[00:36:54] the climax of the movie is the little the girl talking to her abuela By the river Literally the climax is a conversation And I was like what it felt anti climactic I didn't get it. I was actually a little miffed by it

[00:37:13] So I asked is that in my missing something there and all of them said oh yeah That's in his span of culture like the culture that they're tapping into there that story the The closed off grandma maternal

[00:37:27] Metriarchal figure who won't talk right so that like for them it was like tears Right, and I was like I I just thought it was bad You know, I mean I thought it was like anti climactic or something and I just missed it. You know I'm saying

[00:37:44] Yeah, other Pixar one with the Journey to turning red Coco Coco I was thinking of going to Yeah Were you saying Josh? I That's just another one that's like it's I picked up on some of the things that maybe maybe you weren't

[00:38:05] Feelin the moment I was I was in it. I bought into that one all the way I was like yeah this is great this is the this is classic It doesn't feel like Robinhood but it feels like a really in really engaging

[00:38:15] I'm drawn in this is this is awesome But it's own right and then some of the other ones like even I feel like turning red was one that was like educational for me just in advance of having three teenage daughters

[00:38:28] That was like well this movie feels important to me. It's from another perspective one of the part of the world But like thematic Stuff was like I have no experience in any of this. I am here to learn

[00:38:41] Which is okay because we've we're living in a time when there's media out there That like there have been comments where it's like this story is put out there It flops or it doesn't do well or certain people hated and the comments by the creators sometimes have been

[00:39:00] It's not for you and and part of that I'm like what it's not for me It's not for who it's why that seems stupid and But maybe are we saying that like what that means is that in a globalized world? Where you know

[00:39:19] The Disney and others are putting out like content in different languages Like original content yeah, like we first as like first production stuff. Yeah first production like that will be more in more the case. Yeah I think Robinhood is this really interesting cross section of

[00:39:38] Right at the core of when the boomers who were very empowered were were This was for them This is a movie that informs their their world view a lot and the source materials hard core Anglo Christian Western right well thinking crusade students. It's it's the core of

[00:40:00] England America And Israel alignment of stuff. It's like this story right here. Yeah, yeah It's crazy So like it's it is in the sweet spot for the boomers and you know them being our parents

[00:40:14] It's like it's very downstream of like we this is the spoon of feeding material for for boys in America in You know yeah this you know 60s and 70s but then all the way fast forward to the 90s and you're like well son this one's for you

[00:40:28] And so I just tend for me. I just really appreciate it like it feels like something that I Understand and identify with and like just makes me laugh based on Yeah, yeah, this is this is just morning cereal right here

[00:40:41] Yeah some things are not for you Josh, but this one is for you Yours I love it. It does kind of make you think like the themes we were just saying like the salvation theme deliverance theme sacrificial hero theme that's like almost

[00:41:02] You know we've we talked about like Judeo Christian the reality is Judeo Christian even as a term did not come about till the 50s So it just simply didn't exist and so one of the kind of ideas behind Judeo Christian

[00:41:19] themes is that it's actually a very narrow thing and what we learn now as students of the scriptures is like There's way more to the Bible than quote Judeo Christian themes right it's very Eastern there's a lot of this

[00:41:34] Lot of that lot of themes like if you study the Bible at all You're gonna find yourself in another culture in a rainy and Turkish Baltic just it's not at all you know Just for just for a really narrow angle view point yeah, it's really comforting for me

[00:41:53] of like oh yeah, it's It's a global faith not just an American faith that makes sense. Do you do you feel that Maybe apply at all when you like talk about like one side of your family being all

[00:42:06] Philippines, you know and extend it family all these relatives and their culture Do you see any of that at play where their view of scripture their view of the gospel their view of I don't know everything is just different Yeah, I mean their view of scripture

[00:42:25] is different I think because their view of reality is just completely different That's a huge part of it for me growing up I Remember being extreme I still am to this day extremely humble of like oh my

[00:42:42] Where I have like so much material privilege compared to them and I have a like aching responsibility that I feel to like Treasure that and save it Because I know that my family members in the Philippines

[00:43:00] You know like my uncle he makes a little bit more money today But when I was younger he was what's called a pedicad driver Which is basically like a taxi driver but think on a motorcycle Similar like Indiana Jones, you know

[00:43:15] With his dad's like on the side cart and then he's driving the Right, right motorcycle that's basically what a pedicad is so you drive people around and he'd make like On a good day maybe 70 to 80 pesos in the day

[00:43:29] You know for like 10 hours of work and it's like 50 pesos to the dollar Which to me is just that's insane to think about that my uncle for doing a whole Days worth of work Made a little over a dollar and I'm here You know

[00:43:48] Recording a podcast yeah like what is my life compared to them? And I think just that even that Dynamic of a like that shift Completely changes their views of like Having so little But being extremely joyful with the gifts that they have there's way less of this like

[00:44:12] Whoa, you know like first world problems. That's not a thing that they necessarily struggle with you know there's still human. There's still flawed based so struggle with stuff but that's I think an American struggle that I see that

[00:44:30] My family and the Philippine struggles with less I wonder if like Robin Hood as a story one of the most appreciated And reasons why it's so long lasting aspects to it is that as a story it keeps you open to that experience

[00:44:50] You know to be a Robin Hood like figure means you have your eyes open It doesn't mean that you know Robin Hood as a the source material is very like 15th century medieval crusades there a Chrisson dumb kind of thing and it's very like Western

[00:45:07] Extremely Western and it's themes and its ideas but By nature as a story it's open your eyes type of story and that's appreciated we like that Perhaps literally I mean it inspired me to have a really great birthday party

[00:45:28] I had the the Nerf bow and arrow I think handsome gas right those things are intense yeah the original one Okay speaking of this there was a who's the guy from what is it the hot dude hot guy in Robin Hood who plays the newest Robin

[00:45:47] Awesome Butler no No, no, no, this is like the five years ago This is like only a couple years ago Russell Crow the guy from a high school musical Zach Afron no not that's yeah, probably I get him mixed up the guy for Kingsman oh

[00:46:02] It's not an I don't know his name oh you're right They made a Robin Hood yes, and it just went yeah in and out. Yeah, I completely forgot about anyways Okay, well after like 12 of these movies being made like maybe they didn't need another one

[00:46:17] Maybe the people were like let's make a Jamie Foxx plays little John Yeah, just not this is seem right well that's like a weird Yeah, it's just so you can I follow on YouTube I want fat little John

[00:46:31] Yeah, I agree like I want needs to be five I want a big little John that's part of the joke Jamie's great. I want a big little John I know they tried to make him like cool and swab and now he's got to be bumbling and kind

[00:46:45] Yeah, but also a hard man and voiced by the same guy as William Bill Harris forever So on YouTube I follow the archer who Was the like onset instructor for that movie sure he is Guinness Book World Records holder like he can

[00:47:03] Jump in the air and shoot an arrow through a keyhole. He literally is Robin it And you got to watch him the stuff that he does this crazy Maybe link it in the show notes. Yeah, maybe I'll try

[00:47:16] He's some like Dutch guy or some I don't know weird country Yeah, like that super weird Denmark or something Dutch people so weird Dutch people are so weird what a thing to do though

[00:47:26] I mean you know you know he watched this movie. There's no you don't get into you don't get in the Archery you might have it you might have an uncle who's like I actually hunt and we you know

[00:47:36] But if you are trying to shoot out arrow through a keyhole You got to watch the tournament you watched Robinhood and lower the rigs Yeah, those are your options. Yeah, you guarantee to have watched this movie

[00:47:48] This is the definitive Robinhood for a whole generation absolutely I think it's aged the best too Great what's your favorite character in the movie? Yeah, yes That's a great answer. Yeah He's in my basket

[00:48:16] I just love his is like I told you it's like a classic advisor number to give friends like this for sure who are like I'm probably his actually to some of my friends Like I know you're I hate you get in the basket

[00:48:31] You know what was a wild joke to me is what he's get shoved it a barrel of ale That's a great And you know who it is that puts him in there. It's fried tacks fried tacks is like ties him in a knot. Yeah, why gosh

[00:48:46] Just like great Like I One of those angles I love in this movie is like well What what are men like You're a little dude right because they're like the little little archer bunnies right though

[00:48:59] It's like well, what are the men like where are they what are they like when they All the like all the main dudes and as you're just like they're so great

[00:49:07] Yeah, yeah, these are the architects you can be you get it's like I felt that is a kid every time my dad did something cool Me and my brother Nick would quote the little turtle saying yeah

[00:49:22] And then every time we were in some chaotic situation. I would quote little John saying who's driving this flying umbrella Yeah That's great. You probably be a little John little John. Yeah, yeah, it's easy easy easy to like yeah, how about yours?

[00:49:41] Michael Lady clock I find change all the time. I think she's great I'm really best supporting actress type thing Yeah, nothing that's that's made Mary and rope, but she steals the scene a lot the bit where her pants is pulled out Sorry, that sounds weird, but

[00:49:58] It's like you think did sir feathers, but she's actually just wearing white pants Yeah, yeah, like like you know Is that when she or she and made Mary and her playing badminton she's like in a fight with the rhinos or something I said that's tournament so once yeah

[00:50:17] The Michigan the University of Michigan song I'm pretty sure it's a college football. I think it's like oh no, it's on Wisconsin no joke It is on Wisconsin Yeah, our high school song. Yes, we will proudly reign Victoria's the sword and she'll be very

[00:50:38] Five equals five five five two victory makes better force perfect. Yeah, yeah, that's true I mean I'm right with them. I just keep the whole middle though Josh. How about you? Well, I say maybe late maybe late

[00:50:56] Okay, okay, I like Prince John the most in the movie because I think a great movie You know a huge piece of that equation is a great villain. Yeah, right if it's an adventure movie And I think he's a great villain for a movie that

[00:51:12] When you're kid you're watching you can be on the character's office. It's not first low where you're like that's too much for me You know and like thematically my parents weren't worried about it They weren't like what's the long term effects of this movie?

[00:51:26] All the old Disney movies there was just a no question long term effects after that, right? It's a thing is like the genius of Walt Disney which I believe he was still Helming this thing at that time

[00:51:38] Was that there wasn't there wasn't any shortage of things the film was saying right it's just a Was saying in the most like Imagistic Metaphorical like beautifully rendered way

[00:51:51] That you it didn't seem obvious, you know yeah, I just like how simple of a villain he is he's greedy He's a coward And he's Kind of a kind of like goofy

[00:52:05] Yeah, and that's not too unreelatable for me or a lot of people I know so it's like good moments where you're like What I see You see You know those moments I think he just well written is a voice actors so good

[00:52:22] He's great. The voice acting is actually makes me sad for like a lot of modern you know big You know class A animated movies where it's it's all You know

[00:52:34] Hollywood elite that are going into these voice roles, but it's like man there's so many great talented voice actors out there Who've just lost lost their their chance to be like these awesome characters and right there was a time when it was a voice actor

[00:52:47] Who did animated movies yeah, I think like probably starting with around Toy story toy story. I mean Jonathan Taylor Thomas did Lion King But I don't know who knows who did like and Gilbert Godfrey That's right. That's right. That's right. That's James as Jeanie was probably pretty big

[00:53:03] Yeah, that was probably pretty big talent stuff. That's not just I know that voice. Yeah, that's true And nowadays it's every single role is a big name. Yeah. That's true. I think it's like one big name

[00:53:13] And then the rest are just very talented. Well back in Robinhood. It was like all voice actors Like stage actors or theater actors or like I think like back in the sleeping beauty days like opera singers Right, that's nice I'm in it. I think

[00:53:29] I'll say Prince John's my is my favorite character. That's awesome Well safe to say we're still watching it keep going Watch it again. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah, sure. Show it to your kids. Yeah All right, this is Ben how to watch movie as a Christian

[00:53:45] We are Josh Javan and Right, right. I'll see you next See you church