Setting Your Heart to Study God's Word with Mike Neglia

[00:00:00] We want them to listen to what we're saying, but before we do that, we want to make sure that we're saying something that's worth listening to.

[00:00:07] So we need a first understanding of what the Bible says and then we need to figure out the order and the manner that we're going to communicate it to our viewers. Hey, welcome to the Expositors Collective Podcast episode 336.

[00:00:25] I'm your host, Mike Neglia and the voice that you just heard is also my voice because this episode is a recording of like an evening workshop that I did in the central coast of California.

[00:00:44] Hosted by Cabri Chapel Santa Maria, I was in town and my good friend, Connor Berry invited some of the local churches for just a night that he called pizza and preaching.

[00:00:59] And so they got pizza for everybody and we had a group of about yeah 40 or so, Ministry leaders, women's ministry directors, elders and pastors coming in. And I led these maybe 20 minute monologues followed by an informal Q&A panel afterwards.

[00:01:22] At the end of this panel, I was joined by Connor as well as Brian Stupar at Compion and we took some questions from those that were curious in taking the conversation further.

[00:01:34] Here's what you should know, the audio is not great and the wonderful behind-the-scenes editor James Wrightmer is going to do as best as he can to make this audio as good as it can be. But I'll just warn you in advance.

[00:01:51] It's recorded from an iPhone in a big echoing room. So maybe you turn the volume up, maybe you just wear headphones or maybe you just wait until next Tuesday because next Tuesday there's a phenomenal interview.

[00:02:04] With Welsh preacher Will Bassett and we have a conversation about the power of God shown through weakness. And we even speak about his speech impediment and how God has used him in mighty ways through the preaching ministry while he lives with a speech impediment.

[00:02:25] So if this episode isn't great, please don't unsubscribe. Keep on listening because next week is going to be amazing. So here is a talk that I gave, pizza and preaching about setting our hearts to study God's word.

[00:02:41] Let's talk about for a few minutes how to study a passage and how to create an outline. You have a printout and I'm not going to be following that first say, that's like bonus content.

[00:03:01] I'm all be saying some things at kind of a high level and you can do some more reading as you go. But there's like little breaks for notes that you could use there or in the field notes or whatever,

[00:03:13] but I'm talking about her minutics which is science and the art of biblical interpretation. What someone I believe with Connor was saying that the hardship, a hardship he experiences is making sure you're bearing in the weight of God's word accurately.

[00:03:32] I think you're understanding it well because we want to communicate it well to the kids, to the crowds, to the ladies, to the groups, to the teens.

[00:03:42] We want them to listen to what we're saying but before we do that we want to make sure that we're saying something that's worth listening to.

[00:03:49] So we need to first understand what the Bible says and then we need to figure out the order and the manner that we're going to communicate it to our heroes.

[00:04:00] I appreciate what my brothers said that the Bible is an ancient collection of documents that doesn't add the surface for some people, strike us as interesting or instantly relevant to us.

[00:04:13] We need to show how we're going to make the case for why this is the most relevant thing that they've ever encountered or ever well encounter. And there's a passage, it's a simple verse that I think gives us like a three step process.

[00:04:29] Now whenever I'm free to talk to about three easy steps, I often roll my eyes because they're never easy and I'm not saying these are easy, but these are three steps that Ezra implemented in his life and that we can as well.

[00:04:44] Ezra set his heart to study the law of the Lord and to do it and to teach his statutes and rules in Israel. So step one is if we want to be a teacher of God's word, we obviously need to be a student thereof.

[00:05:04] The way we study the Bible, it's just through repeated encounters with it. Reading God's word and multiple occasions and thoughtfully questioning ourselves, reading what precedes and comes after it, looking at the context making sure that we understand it, maybe even comparing different translations.

[00:05:29] I'm aware, I'm not doing this right now for Ezra's 710. I don't have as much time as I would be needed to look into all the context of Ezra, but to really study this verse, truly that involved seeing, hey who's Ezra?

[00:05:45] Hey what's this time period? Who's he talking to? What were the objections that he was answering in his day? So when we look at a verse or a chapter, we need to familiarize ourselves with the larger context.

[00:05:58] I love how J.C. Ryle puts it, a preacher should never take a text and extract it, like a dentist would a tooth from the jaw. Something which, however true in itself, is not the plain and literal meaning of the inspired word.

[00:06:14] So every verse is like a tooth in a jaw and they designed to be together. So we should look at the context of it, think long and hard.

[00:06:30] Sometimes it's interesting to look at a verse, for example this one, and think what would change about this if this word were to be removed? Or how would the Bible be different if this verse didn't exist? What's this unique contribution to the book or to the canon?

[00:06:51] These are some of the questions that I ask myself as I'm thinking through a verse or a chapter or a section.

[00:06:59] What does it mean to your people, to your culture, to the culture of your church, to the culture of the town or city that your church exists in? It's worthwhile sometimes to try to memorize a passage so that you're able to meditate upon it.

[00:07:17] In Psalm 1, it says that blessed in the man who meditates on God's word day and night. And in the ancient world, to meditate upon something at night, this means that you're reading it with a light sign.

[00:07:33] It means that the lights are out. You can't unscroll the scroll and it's there in your mind. And so you're thinking about it, you're sucking on it like a word original or a jolly rancher. It's just there that you're bringing it back and forth.

[00:07:51] So it's worthwhile to do this as part of our study of it, thoughtfully considering it. Then the question that we should also ask is we're looking at our section as we're thinking deeply.

[00:08:03] A question to ask should not be what does this mean to me, but it needs to be what does this mean to God? What does it mean to the original authors? What does it mean to the original recipients?

[00:08:16] I was speaking to somebody about a re-thamp that they were doing at their men's and women's ministries. And the problem was they often started with, what does this passage mean to you?

[00:08:26] That is a question that maybe should be asked at the end of a process of study, but it never should be the first and it should never never be the only question that we ask about a passage.

[00:08:40] Don't try to find any hidden messages or new interpretations seek to clearly and effectively understand the message of the past. Sorry, the text and then applied to the ears. Much more could be said. We point you towards a couple good free websites who loves free websites.

[00:08:57] Who here's been on EndurionWord.com? If you have it, you guys are in for a treat if you haven't been on there yet. Great website maintained by DavidMusic. BlueLiterBibble.org is a collection of a couple different good commentators.

[00:09:12] Walking with giants, I found a couple years ago. It's great. It's great and I recommend that as well. I also will email everybody by notes if you're scrambling. I can send it to Pastor Connor, you can send it out to those of you who have registered.

[00:09:28] But those are some of the ways that we can be looking at a passage. Somebody said though that you milk mini cows but you turn your own butter.

[00:09:38] You see what other men or women of God have noticed in this passage, but there's got to come through you as well. Now, as a set as hard to study the law of God, the law of the Lord and to do it.

[00:09:53] And the teach is statutes and rules in Israel. There needs to be an overlap between the message that you are preparing to teach to those kids or to that group or to that congregation that needs to be an overlap between what you're about to say

[00:10:13] and the condition or the interior of your life of you, or even the way that you've been living something out. Jesus said that there is a desire of our heart that influences our ability to understand things. One writer calls us the Hermannudic of obedience.

[00:10:35] We're not just looking at an ancient collection of Greek and Hebrew documents, but it's God revealing himself. And there he is this hidden spiritual aspect to it that an ingredient to understand you properly is like, do I want to do this?

[00:10:54] If I believe this would actually change or impact my life. So a way that we can seek to do it is to, as we prepare to teach, that Sunday school class, that Sunday morning sermon, that talk at the ladies ministry.

[00:11:15] It's like, what does it look like to obey this? And what will be different in my life if I rebelled against this? How is a positive blessing coming to my life through these principles? And what warnings are there when I have disobeyed this?

[00:11:33] Be aware of the times that you fail to obey these imperatives and then note those differences. This is a way to internalize it. This is one of the reasons why I try unsuccessfully to avoid what I call the Saturday night special.

[00:11:48] You know, that is when you're writing a sermon at the very last minute. Because there's very little time to actually internalize it, to actually say like, you know, lads, my brothers, my sisters, I will bathe this this week.

[00:12:02] Or here is something that God has revealed in my heart. Here's a blessing God's brought to me and if you're just throwing stuff together at the last minute, that's absent and devoid from that. We've got to try to internalize it.

[00:12:15] Someone said, you know you've internalized your message or even the outline for your talk. If you can go and walk with your buddies and just talk about it with no notes, then it's internalized. More could be said about that. But finally teaching his statutes and his rules.

[00:12:37] We want to be able to communicate this well to our hears.

[00:12:42] I don't think this is a very controversial thing to say, but I believe the best way to teach God's word is an ex-positional manner, which means going through the Bible and allowing the main point of each passage should be the main point of your sermon.

[00:12:56] For some people that's a whole new concept, but I'm going to assume you guys are on board with that. What are the advantages of teaching the Bible expositionally?

[00:13:10] I'm going to ask where the advantage is and then after that I'm going to ask, what are some of the challenges or drawbacks to this? So be thinking. What's the advantage of this type of up teaching?

[00:13:20] Yeah, it forces you to understand the context because last week it was the context and next week we'll be more context. What's the other advantage of this? Okay, yeah. I would even say it's not you choosing what to talk about next. It's there, the whole picture is there.

[00:13:42] Okay, we'll pause there. What are some arguments against this? Yeah, what do you mean uncomfortable? There's a lot in there that people just skip over. Yeah, okay. Especially if you don't understand the context of sorry, you're happy. Okay, yeah.

[00:14:16] I think if you're like married to expositionally, you can miss the flexibility. I would go in like a topical and do getting on what? Yeah, yeah. So the flexibility I first had thought you would met like church calendar stuff.

[00:14:33] Like it's Christmas, but you're talking about Abraham sorkum sizing his son. You know, that's one of the babies Jesus. So you're talking even more specifically like the church is going to grow certain challenges. But you're just like, yeah, well, whatever I'm not going to address these.

[00:14:49] Any other objections? In this school, you know, going to the Bible and we have different teachers and one guy just kept getting landed with every awkward pregnant woman story. We just kept saying, you and we're still sorry when I do this on purpose.

[00:15:06] But we should have, that's what we're going to do. The Bible. Yeah. And it's super awkward. Well those are good, but I would say they're not good enough to stop it. Yeah, so thank you everyone. Well we're going to stick with this. Yeah, not fun.

[00:15:23] I'm just coming in with an old desperate stuff, like a naming of naming over. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not like you can't bring up a person who's living across from those things. Yeah. Yeah, or expand the pre-capit, you know.

[00:16:04] Hey everyone, this week we're going to go through three chapters. And so you kind of, yeah, burn to that really quick and then get onto this stuff. Glenn always tries to stick with the genial in his head. Yeah, that Glenn. Yeah, that Glenn.

[00:16:19] I want to just, yeah, briefly talk about, well actually no. I'm not going to talk about outlining. I'm just going to say, look on page 29. And there's a great little article there. And on the podcast episode 67, you get to scroll back a lot.

[00:16:35] But it's like the best talk you've ever heard on outlining. If you want to hear more about how to arrange things in a nice, helpful, memorable way. So episode 67 or on page 29 of the handout that you have.

[00:16:51] But all that to say is as you're preparing, as you're looking at the path that you're thinking about it, what you shouldn't do is just write down every thought that you have about the verse and then stand up and then read every thought that you have.

[00:17:05] There's got to be an arranging in a thematic and a helpful and memorable way to do that. And I think as we are talking about being ex-positional Bible teachers, that might mean, well you read verse one, you say everything you found out about verse one.

[00:17:21] Then you read verse two and you say everything you found out about verse two. But there's got to be sometimes a way of outlining it in such a way that's helpful, useful, portable and memorable. And so Nick, can you tell you how do you think?

[00:17:37] I think every message should have a big idea. There's a lot of things that are present in every section of God's word. One of them is going to rise to the forefront of what your people, your kids, your church, your church needs to hear.

[00:17:58] And one author talks about the three AM test. If you're spouse, we're to wake you up at 3 AM early Sunday morning and say sweetheart, what's the passage about?

[00:18:09] And if you're like, oh, it's about, well, you see Matthew's genealogy of Jesus goes through the line of Joseph, which is different than how Luke's goes through, which is through Mary and there's the curse of Jacob and I.

[00:18:20] That's bad. There needs to be one big idea, which is, oh, it's the kind of people Jesus came from is a type of people that Jesus came for. That summarizing your sermon in a memorable phrase instead of everything.

[00:18:38] It's like, what you're sermon about? Well, I'll math it chapter one. Well, that's not good enough. What's the thrust of it? It's worthwhile to summarize and condense your message into one useful sentence.

[00:18:51] I'm going to show you how I did that with the passage in the end of John's Gospel. Big idea is that our exhausted emptiness is met with Christ's generous abundance, talking about the, the, the, the toil all night and they got nothing.

[00:19:09] And then Jesus caused this miraculous catch of fish. So then one of my certain points was, well, their fishing trip didn't work. And then there's a sub point under that.

[00:19:19] Maybe God is trying to get their attention and then there's an application point under that is God, sovereignly working in your life to get your attention through some of the hardships or circumstances. And the next one, well, Jesus provides fish for them.

[00:19:36] So point, well, Jesus then is served some fish by Peter after Jesus is the one who created the fish for them. And then that kind of reminds us of our life, our service is a voluntary response to the miracles of God in our life.

[00:19:53] So I had that big idea and I would say that throughout the message. And so there's a sentence that people could even remember on the drive home. And I would suggest that you put work into summarizing what you're saying into a memorable short sentence.

[00:20:11] I've got to say it's really hard to do. I've got to say, I don't do it every week. Because I run in a time. It's worth it. And I want to say that like, hey Mike, do the big idea every week. Okay, Mike, I should.

[00:20:26] And you should try to as well. I'll send on some more details to Connor who could then send them to you expanding on the importance of the big idea. And finally, because a lot we have to pray.

[00:20:43] One one other thing. I try real hard and you should as well in your teaching to talk about there and then, And then I'll talk about here and now. And even note like the points go to there and then Peter shares some of the fish with Jesus.

[00:21:00] But then here and now there's us today. And the Bible is a big book of there and then. And we live here and now. And so we have to do justice to there and then, but people live here and now. And so bring those points into our lives.

[00:21:16] I have a just a practical question for the big idea is when when in the speaking time are you to express that big idea? How many times will this be the time at the beginning at the end? How do you do that? Yeah, I do at the beginning.

[00:21:34] I'll walk up very beginning. And I'll talk about this later on, but I try so hard at the beginning of the sermon and not to be like, Hey everyone, how's it going? Oh, but the little bit from here. Anyway, let's start.

[00:21:48] I try to walk up and just be like, bigger. Our exhaustion is met by a Christ provision. Just using that first, like you mentioned that kids have a short tension span? Guess what? Adults have short tension span. And so, steward that first few moments very well.

[00:22:07] And so, whether it's the first thing at an I'm out or if there's a captivating introduction, then it's like guys. In the next few minutes, I want to talk to you about one thing and the one thing is this. Boom.

[00:22:19] And then I'll repeat it a few different times throughout. And we got to pray and there's some points for prayer. Take a picture of it. You'll get it. You'll get it. You know what to do. All right. Let's just give some Q&A. Yes.

[00:22:39] The big idea is that something that comes up with after you've done your study and like you come back to, or you start off with a big idea? Or yeah. Great question. Yeah. I would do all that I could to do the begin, like what you said.

[00:22:56] To study, to really understand it. And then even to have that, you know, here's what I want to say. And then to then distill that into one, one summary sentence. You kind of, someone called it like you cooked down the sauce.

[00:23:11] So you're making it all the ingredients are in there. It's doing together and then you just let it boil and distill for a while. And then there's that summary sentence.

[00:23:20] I'd like to invite the current serving pastors to sit up there and it will take these questions as a team. Conher and Brian and Ed, we're going to sit down. Let's go closer though. Yeah. So those questions will be asked by Wiser.

[00:23:36] Do you want to say who you was did? I'll set them time, man. Yeah. Do you guys have something on the big idea? It's pretty thick. Well, yeah. I mean, do you do it?

[00:23:47] I think I do too an extent, but I think I have a lot more questions that I ask myself in order to produce the big idea. I think it helps to produce a big idea when you're already in consistent teaching with your particular group.

[00:24:02] Because of, you're doing more than just preaching to these people. You're involved in relationships and with families. You know the questions that particular problems that are arising. And so for me, when I'm producing the big idea, I'm asking the questions.

[00:24:17] What are the questions of my congregation are asking that the answer can be found in this particular place? In this particular text, that becomes the big idea. I think you have that with the sermon point and the sub point.

[00:24:30] Because that becomes automatically, at least in my mind, not only the big idea, but in the application for everybody. Or even a particular particular passion that's within the text. I have more about it, all the way to yours. I don't do it very often. Sometimes I don't.

[00:24:49] I try to remember, but I think the principle is, we really want to help people learn. And if there's, it's really a technique. You know, it's a technique, just trying to help to still have the idea of this doing.

[00:25:00] And it comes as a result of really becoming the point with the text that you're going to be teaching on or speaking on or preaching on or whatever. You know, platforming you're going to be utilizing.

[00:25:12] But I think they're giving helpful handles for people to really remember what's going on. I think they remember what's being presented to them. I think there's a couple things as well that come along side by side. People think they really want to learn. They want to grow.

[00:25:27] They're at church, but they're at the Bible study. They're at their Sunday school because they have a hunger and a longing to really know God more through these words. And we had this really unique opportunity to be a representative of Jesus. We did these things.

[00:25:40] So I think it's a matter of like how can we help them as best as we can to synthesize or to reduce this kind of thing? Just this concept and something that's easy. You know, again, some people are better at this than others.

[00:25:52] I'm not great at like sermon titles and some people like can't pass it. They give them a title. Was that really like, where the hell am I? I'm not. I'm just like Lazarus. Rose from the dead.

[00:26:05] I mean, as of these days, you know, and it's like, but at the same time, I don't get myself worked up over the fact that it's not better. You know, I realize I have what I have and I'm going to use it as best as I can.

[00:26:18] And if someone else is better at being able to adjust that or produce that, that's fine. But you know, so that's my thought of that. But I would add stylistically, you know, Brian may not have that absolute subject there, but he knows it. And you never want to.

[00:26:36] I never want to step into a teaching dynamic. I'm not know what the main thought is we want to do people. I just cheap, I tell them. Your subject for today, I was in there, jotted up and it is Christ is the resurrection of life.

[00:26:50] And I want people to know that. And so I was just telling. And I'm not afraid to see that. I'm sure all the people who are showing right now just go, I see what he's doing. That's not fair. The big hit that basketball more than he does.

[00:27:03] So Brian, would you say that? Because we pretty much all of us here teach us expositionally. You should start a book, right? Chapter one, verse one, through the end of the book.

[00:27:16] Would you say maybe that means a turn big idea, but when you say that each of your sermons more relates to the overarching theme of a particular book. Like, so long as it kind of ran into the problems right there, there's a wisdom of Solomon.

[00:27:30] But you get into a book like the Libbyans were Paul wrote that letter to them. There's an overarching theme. Do you think that would you say more maybe it's not a big idea, but your sermons tend to stick with that theme? Yes definitely.

[00:27:43] So I think of the book of Ephesians for example. I mean you can definitely say there's layers of there is a theme and it's themes like points and subpoint or ultimate and penultimate.

[00:27:56] You know so obviously Jesus is going to be the theme of Ephesians, the entirety of the book. But Paul also has other themes in mind that he's thinking about in terms of like how does Christ help bring about reconciliation between whorling members of particular church community.

[00:28:14] So everything relates back to Jesus has this big overarching theme and then these other sub themes become, you know, hot out or, you know, a squeeze out within the particular context of a teaching. So that's kind of how all of approach it.

[00:28:27] I'll always kind of have to, the big overarching theme but then I will also emphasize the specific themes that Paul might be. Again, I, you know, he talked about husbands loving your wives. Well, that's an important theme, but it's a theme that's attached to the theme of Jesus.

[00:28:42] And so I think to remove the hey husbands, love your wives because that's a great moral thing for you to do and without saying why we do that is because this is what Jesus does.

[00:28:54] These are model, these are empower and so that's kind of how I'll typically approach that. Dan. Question for you. Okay. You read read a lot of books on sermon. Like crafting instruments. Yeah. Would you have one? Your response. Yeah, I would. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:29:23] This still it cooked down the sauce. Yeah, yeah. I think I think head hadn't Robinson's biblical preaching is is really good. Philosophically and then as far as like real nuts and bolts, practicalities. He talks about yeah, each they should have a point.

[00:29:45] It should have a complementary point underneath that as far as yeah mechanics. And then when it comes to like the philosophy, I would say John Stotz book between two worlds which also has practical stuff in there as well too.

[00:30:03] But the big idea of there's the ancient world of the Bible, there's the contemporary world of today and the preacher is a bridge builder between those allowing the ideas from the Bible to cross the bridge to us and then the people from day to cross the bridge into the world of the Bible.

[00:30:18] He said the author of the book, Richard again. Hadn Robinson. Wait wait. Put that right? Yeah. Yeah. I question myself there. Yeah, he he passed away a couple years ago and the seven year they've taught at as just recently like last week. They've released his like preaching lectures.

[00:30:43] And so I could send it to Connor and then Connor will get it to you. Okay, 12. Yeah, so it's it's all yeah it's great to read.

[00:30:55] It's also I love I love I love hearing professors for free you know because I pay to your professors but there's just something nice about hearing them talk for free that is really nice.

[00:31:07] Towards the end of their career they've been teaching it for decades and they've perfected it and then there's some great stuff there. Would you suggest go to John's preachers and preachers? Yeah. Well yes for the top two. Or is that a couple yeah yeah. Yeah, Martin Lloyd Jones.

[00:31:23] Oh, I would recommend that. Hi, and this is Martin Lloyd Jones. Preaching the preachers. I'll just are classies. Yeah, Chappell too. Those of these would be like the textbooks most universities would be. Connor what about you? I said, Chappell. Okay. That's my country. Who's the author? Brian Chappell.

[00:31:47] Brian Chappell. Brian Chappell. B.R.Y.A.N.C.H.A.P.E.L.L. Thanks so. Two else, right? Thanks so. And it's on preaching. No, it's called Christ's Center preaching. Christ's Center preaching. Yeah.

[00:32:04] So I read a lot and then yeah so Dan sometimes I think sometimes I look at my bookshelf and I have so many books I'm preaching like you think it'd be better at this point now. Yes.

[00:32:13] What if I was a servant who is there like a truck who would like me to do fail doing the survey if you knew the Nationalist spirit and like you didn't get to do this for say as much

[00:32:34] or is there like little of context without it and comes to the Trinity and on a stuff like you know why you need to settle that sentence? Yeah. Great. So you guys think she's still in analogy that you gave this spirit you said something

[00:32:50] through the effect of on a map finding London. Yes. That's really really backing for me. Yeah. You remember it? I do. Yeah. I said this one. A wise man quoted the virgin and then he talks about yeah in England he says that every

[00:33:11] road has a way to get to London. So if you're like up north or in the countryside there's a way from everywhere to get to London and there are like main routes that will get you straight to London and there's side routes that will eventually get you there.

[00:33:30] So I think there's main themes like the blood like forgiveness like profit, priest and king that just like main routes that get like the one on one just it's exactly two Christ but he says but even if I couldn't find a main route I would like

[00:33:48] to pass through every field I would climb over hedges. I would find my way to London because Christ is the great metropolis of the Bible and your sermon isn't finished until you arrive at Christ. Because I think the just about. Yeah. And I think the adives, actually.

[00:34:03] So Mike also said something in one of his other messages in the larger more expanded for the canon. Yeah. About the Ethiopian unit and it's just a happy to be there who was reading you know what was Isaiah, whatever.

[00:34:21] And Mike said something to the fact in one of the messages that had he been reading like what was it? What was your reading as they had? Like I say 61. Is there anything? If he was reading again. Yeah he would get 42 you know. I was about it.

[00:34:33] I say sorry the Philip. I was there right. Philip would have figured out a way to take in that guy who is reading whatever and take back the Jesus. And I think that's the job of anybody who opens up scripture.

[00:34:49] But your job is to it's not just to give the data in the data points because that's that's that's been nine. That doesn't impact hearts and souls. Our aim is to present Jesus like everything.

[00:35:00] So whether or not you're preaching out of the book of Leviticus, figure out a way. How does that road lead to Jesus? You know? Who's that? How does he? Who's that? So everything is an aim of how does this relate to Jesus?

[00:35:15] That doesn't mean throughout a biblical history or Christian history. I think there have been attempts to try to like shove Jesus into places where Jesus is clearly not certain aspects or kind of force that in there just to just to drop the name Jesus.

[00:35:30] And that's, you know, I think that kind of leads to there's a type of people that's a bit of a people call interpretation that I think is sort of, it's not being honest with the text in that sense.

[00:35:43] So I think the key is how does this lead us ultimately to the back of Jesus? And it might be popping over certain roads that ultimately get the whole main point to Christ.

[00:35:52] So that's the idea I think the Christ focused permanently at that and really what we're trying to help by all teachers to focus on. I don't know if that's helpful. Is that helpful to you? Is there any clarification seconds?

[00:36:03] I think also you spoke about focusing on the Father, focusing on the Spirit which I'm focused on Jesus. That becomes an easy softball. Is what you see me using the Father and then the continuation of Jesus's ministry is the Holy Spirit's mastery. Right?

[00:36:18] And so it should be an easy connection. And that I don't think the harmony of the Trinity are offended per se that the Father has been represented in this context. And then Jesus, I think the best thing to do though in discussing the Father preaching about the Father,

[00:36:38] preaching about the Spirit is to cheerlead Jesus and the myth of His saying, He is the access to both the Father and the Spirit through Him and Him alone. And yeah, does He cheerlead?

[00:36:50] Yeah, to be that cheerleader of like, yeah, because the Holy Spirit loves to point to Jesus. And the Father loves to say this is my beloved son. And vice versa, there's a powerful compassion between all three.

[00:37:03] And I think man, what a beauty to have in your message, the Trinity represented that well. So I think it's not a problem per se to say, although we have the Father kind of impacting in this particular part and the Spirit and this part and in Jesus.

[00:37:22] Yeah, and I would recommend two podcast episodes on the exposures collected. The Father is collective podcast. Yeah, there's one that we did a while ago called How to preach Jesus from every text. And I think you'd be interested in that.

[00:37:38] And there's one that's coming out next Tuesday, which is an interview I did with Dr. Fred Sanders, who is like theologian of the Trinity. And he specifically talks about, he said there's not really like a equal right or affirmative action amongst the Trinity.

[00:37:57] And that if one of them is highlighted they're all happy and that he points us towards Christ, centered, permanent as well. All right, well thanks for listening.

[00:38:11] I mean, I don't know how many of you got all the way to the end, but if you did, thank you so much for listening all the way to the end. And so you would have heard Ed Compian's voice.

[00:38:22] And Ed and I are part of the team that's bringing expositors collective over to Campalla, Uganda. And so there's a link in the show notes that will bring you to a page where you're able to give.

[00:38:38] We want to do a free resource to the Ugandan church, bringing this type of content over there to ministry leaders, preachers, pastors, elders, up and coming younger and newer Bible expositors to help them grab a hold of these truths that I believe you must like.

[00:38:59] If you endured that poor audio all the way to the end, it must be important to you. And would you like to help us go to Uganda and equip and train the next generation of Ugandan Bible expositors?

[00:39:14] All right, well I'll see you next Tuesday for a much higher quality recorded conversation with Will Basset. I hope that this conversation and all the UDOT expositors collective helps you to grow in your personal study and public proclamation of God's Word.

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